Mighty Intellect
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January 27th, 2008, 04:15 PM
Recent gaffes surrounding the military transfer of Afghan detainees shows how badly the Harper government is mishandling the Afghanistan war, Deputy Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff says.
Afghanistan is the most important thing Canada has done in 50 years, and he's not leading," he said. "The prime minister has to act like a prime minister, and not like a partisan leader on this issue of Afghanistan."
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How do you as Canadians feel about the detainee issue? Should the Government have been more open and honest with Canadians? We are paying for that war! We want to know what is going on, so we can scream HALT if necessary!
I do believe we, the public, are being bamboozeled by the Harper Government, because they know how unpopular our involvement in Afghanistan here at home is.
After Manley's report there are still 37% who favur a troop withdrawal.
What I wonder is, where do those captured detainees go now? To here? http://rwor.org/a/117/bagram-en.html
Recent gaffes surrounding the military transfer of Afghan detainees shows how badly the Harper government is mishandling the Afghanistan war, Deputy Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff says.
Afghanistan is the most important thing Canada has done in 50 years, and he's not leading," he said. "The prime minister has to act like a prime minister, and not like a partisan leader on this issue of Afghanistan."
http://tinyurl.com/3alzbk
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How do you as Canadians feel about the detainee issue? Should the Government have been more open and honest with Canadians? We are paying for that war! We want to know what is going on, so we can scream HALT if necessary!
I do believe we, the public, are being bamboozeled by the Harper Government, because they know how unpopular our involvement in Afghanistan here at home is.
After Manley's report there are still 37% who favur a troop withdrawal.
What I wonder is, where do those captured detainees go now? To here? http://rwor.org/a/117/bagram-en.html
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January 28th, 2008, 03:11 PM
37%....seems like there is a reason we arent withdrawing then eh?
The Detainees issue....isnt that big of an Issue...Oh no the ANA treats them badly thats against the Geneva convetion....I dont want to sound heartless but...Since when Did IEDS fall in with the Geneva convention...or Suicide Bombings...We follow the Geneva convention to a tee. if the ANA wants out prisoners fine take them..treat them under Afghan law...its there people...soo why should we protect them if they are no longer in our custody?
37%....seems like there is a reason we arent withdrawing then eh?
The Detainees issue....isnt that big of an Issue...Oh no the ANA treats them badly thats against the Geneva convetion....I dont want to sound heartless but...Since when Did IEDS fall in with the Geneva convention...or Suicide Bombings...We follow the Geneva convention to a tee. if the ANA wants out prisoners fine take them..treat them under Afghan law...its there people...soo why should we protect them if they are no longer in our custody?
January 28th, 2008, 03:55 PM
How's trix bru?
Quoting EastSideScotian
Hey you over priced latrine digging edugrunt!!!
It goes pretty well....Other than I am stuck in Petawawa..and the last 5 months I have been here I realized its the most boreing place in Canada....other than that just fine...Yourself?
How's trix bru?
Stuck in Ontario...bah
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January 28th, 2008, 03:58 PM
Trix Bru? haha I dont know....
But I am over priced....I dont even dig them....I just make few holes and put some c4 in there and get the Heavys to move the loose dirt...then i sneak off to the officers lines and do my biz there hahaha..
Trix Bru? haha I dont know....
But I am over priced....I dont even dig them....I just make few holes and put some c4 in there and get the Heavys to move the loose dirt...then i sneak off to the officers lines and do my biz there hahaha..
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January 28th, 2008, 04:07 PM
Quoting EastSideScotian
So why are we there protecting the rest of them?
37%....seems like there is a reason we arent withdrawing then eh?
The Detainees issue....isnt that big of an Issue...Oh no the ANA treats them badly thats against the Geneva convetion....I dont want to sound heartless but...Since when Did IEDS fall in with the Geneva convention...or Suicide Bombings...We follow the Geneva convention to a tee. if the ANA wants out prisoners fine take them..treat them under Afghan law...its there people...soo why should we protect them if they are no longer in our custody?
The Detainees issue....isnt that big of an Issue...Oh no the ANA treats them badly thats against the Geneva convetion....I dont want to sound heartless but...Since when Did IEDS fall in with the Geneva convention...or Suicide Bombings...We follow the Geneva convention to a tee. if the ANA wants out prisoners fine take them..treat them under Afghan law...its there people...soo why should we protect them if they are no longer in our custody?
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January 28th, 2008, 04:18 PM
Quoting darkbeaver
Because they are innocent? the same reason we are not imprisoning the rest of them....they are nromal everyday people?
So why are we there protecting the rest of them?
January 28th, 2008, 04:21 PM
My girlfriend has an aunt in Petawawa. She ships back to Afghanistan for a second tour in August I think. She says it's real boring there too
Quoting EastSideScotian
Oh pretty good. Still in school. I'm enlisting next year.
It goes pretty well....Other than I am stuck in Petawawa..and the last 5 months I have been here I realized its the most boreing place in Canada....other than that just fine...Yourself?
My girlfriend has an aunt in Petawawa. She ships back to Afghanistan for a second tour in August I think. She says it's real boring there too
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January 28th, 2008, 04:29 PM
Quoting EastSideScotian
So how come Uncle Sam destroyed the schools, roads, power stations, water ways, bridges mountains, communications towers, radio and television stations, farms and towns and thousands of innocents in the initial and subsequent bombings and straffings. 3.5 million dead Afghans since the American invasion because of direct and indirect warfare. No, we're there protecting the heroine which has done a whole lot better under our protection than the Talebans.
Because they are innocent? the same reason we are not imprisoning the rest of them....they are nromal everyday people?
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January 28th, 2008, 04:40 PM
Americans do differant things...but Canadians no...so maybe if I were american and we were talking about American troops...then ok..maybe you could be relevant...but guess what?
Quoting darkbeaver
3.5 million....Where did you get these stats? and how credible is the source?.....? Also... Iam speaking as Canadian....Our mission is clearly differant....also we dystroy Heroine....I have buddys that got to do it....Poppies bye bye...lets not forget the weed plants we still dont know how to deal with....
So how come Uncle Sam destroyed the schools, roads, power stations, water ways, bridges mountains, communications towers, radio and television stations, farms and towns and thousands of innocents in the initial and subsequent bombings and straffings. 3.5 million dead Afghans since the American invasion because of direct and indirect warfare. No, we're there protecting the heroine which has done a whole lot better under our protection than the Talebans.
Americans do differant things...but Canadians no...so maybe if I were american and we were talking about American troops...then ok..maybe you could be relevant...but guess what?
January 28th, 2008, 04:47 PM
Even if you are a waste of rations...lmao!!!
The Pet's a snore at the best of times, how's the town, still shut down at 7pm on the dot?
It's a priviledged brotherhood, only the true blue need apply.
Quoting EastSideScotian
LMAO!!! It's good to see ya bru.
Trix Bru? haha I dont know....
But I am over priced....I dont even dig them....I just make few holes and put some c4 in there and get the Heavys to move the loose dirt...then i sneak off to the officers lines and do my biz there hahaha..
But I am over priced....I dont even dig them....I just make few holes and put some c4 in there and get the Heavys to move the loose dirt...then i sneak off to the officers lines and do my biz there hahaha..
Even if you are a waste of rations...lmao!!!
The Pet's a snore at the best of times, how's the town, still shut down at 7pm on the dot?
Quoting karrie
You bet your sweet bippy!!!
Whoo.... I'm envisioning some virtual chest bumps going on here. Many hearty back smacking hugs and such. Manly men greeting one another in manly ways. The Tim Allen man grunt would seem appropriate here, but I don't know how to type it without it coming out pirate!
It's a priviledged brotherhood, only the true blue need apply.
Quoting EastSideScotian
He won't, can't, take your pick. He's kinda like a Cpl. just enough power to make him a pain in the ass, but not enough to be of any consequence.
3.5 million....Where did you get these stats? and how credible is the source?.....? Also... Iam speaking as Canadian....Our mission is clearly differant....also we dystroy Heroine....I have buddys that got to do it....Poppies bye bye...lets not forget the weed plants we still dont know how to deal with....
Americans do differant things...but Canadians no...so maybe if I were american and we were talking about American troops...then ok..maybe you could be relevant...but guess what?
Americans do differant things...but Canadians no...so maybe if I were american and we were talking about American troops...then ok..maybe you could be relevant...but guess what?
Mighty Intellect
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January 28th, 2008, 06:57 PM
Alright, back to Ottawa and the politicians!
Opposition parties used their first question period of 2008 to batter the government on the Afghan detainees issue, with a focus on honesty and openness.
"Why did the prime minister hide the truth from Canadians?" Liberal Leader Stephane Dion asked Prime Minister Stephen Harper on Monday in the House of Commons.
"That allegation is completely false," Harper shot back.
The Canadian military stopped transferring prisoners to the Afghan authorities on Nov. 6, the day after an allegation of torture was identified.
Dion noted that Defence Minister Peter MacKay was in Afghanistan at the time and yet it took three months for the stoppage to become publicly known.
Harper said the government revealed there was "credible evidence of a particular case of abuse."
The information was revealed to a court last week "to show clearly that the Canadian Forces ... always respect our humanitarian and international obligations," he said in French.
Because the transfer agreement with the Afghan government remains in place, there may be more transfers. "That's why the government hasn't announced there won't be transfers, because there could well be," Harper said.
Under the enhanced May 2007 agreement, Canada has greater access to prisoners and can be more proactive, the minister said.
http://tinyurl.com/33qzgh
Now we know! A lot of hot air over just about nothing! I do faintly remember about the access agreement. Perhaps that's how they found out about that abuse case in November. I hope, our soldiers will abstain from torture practices and keep their eyes open and report, if they see or hear something bad going on!
Alright, back to Ottawa and the politicians!
Opposition parties used their first question period of 2008 to batter the government on the Afghan detainees issue, with a focus on honesty and openness.
"Why did the prime minister hide the truth from Canadians?" Liberal Leader Stephane Dion asked Prime Minister Stephen Harper on Monday in the House of Commons.
"That allegation is completely false," Harper shot back.
The Canadian military stopped transferring prisoners to the Afghan authorities on Nov. 6, the day after an allegation of torture was identified.
Dion noted that Defence Minister Peter MacKay was in Afghanistan at the time and yet it took three months for the stoppage to become publicly known.
Harper said the government revealed there was "credible evidence of a particular case of abuse."
The information was revealed to a court last week "to show clearly that the Canadian Forces ... always respect our humanitarian and international obligations," he said in French.
Because the transfer agreement with the Afghan government remains in place, there may be more transfers. "That's why the government hasn't announced there won't be transfers, because there could well be," Harper said.
Under the enhanced May 2007 agreement, Canada has greater access to prisoners and can be more proactive, the minister said.
http://tinyurl.com/33qzgh
Now we know! A lot of hot air over just about nothing! I do faintly remember about the access agreement. Perhaps that's how they found out about that abuse case in November. I hope, our soldiers will abstain from torture practices and keep their eyes open and report, if they see or hear something bad going on!
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January 28th, 2008, 07:24 PM
Quoting EastSideScotian
Well where do your weapons come from? Who's choppers do you fly in on? Who do you call in for an air strike? This years poppy crop will be bigger than last, so we can't even conduct sucessful war on a phuckin plant let alone rebelious land owners. If our mission is clearly different how come we don't see the difference clearly. Is it a state secret?
3.5 million....Where did you get these stats? and how credible is the source?.....? Also... Iam speaking as Canadian....Our mission is clearly differant....also we dystroy Heroine....I have buddys that got to do it....Poppies bye bye...lets not forget the weed plants we still dont know how to deal with....
Americans do differant things...but Canadians no...so maybe if I were american and we were talking about American troops...then ok..maybe you could be relevant...but guess what?
Americans do differant things...but Canadians no...so maybe if I were american and we were talking about American troops...then ok..maybe you could be relevant...but guess what?
