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February 7th, 2008, 08:50 AM
Hi ITN!
Yes initially it was proposed as a gas pipeline but if the example of Russian expansionism in other areas can be applied as lesson in this example, how long would it be before commodities other than natural gas were being funnelled through this corridor? We have the myth of the weapons of mass destruction perpetrated by the American administration as example of how prepared any nation can be to wage war (both economic and military) on the basis of a lie an exageration or even as an element of "national interest/security", would it be more or less reasonable to expect that the Russians would use this opportunity in much the same way...?
Hi ITN!
Yes initially it was proposed as a gas pipeline but if the example of Russian expansionism in other areas can be applied as lesson in this example, how long would it be before commodities other than natural gas were being funnelled through this corridor? We have the myth of the weapons of mass destruction perpetrated by the American administration as example of how prepared any nation can be to wage war (both economic and military) on the basis of a lie an exageration or even as an element of "national interest/security", would it be more or less reasonable to expect that the Russians would use this opportunity in much the same way...?
February 7th, 2008, 08:54 AM
The fact is there is no set in stone provision to deal with enemy foriegn nationals, yet you all seem to think we must apply the same laws that run our city streets in a combat zone.
The hunt for oil or Manifest Destiny in the new millenium?
Which I know you've read, I've fed it to ya so manytimes as you have been saying the exact samething to me over and over and over.
Not at all. I see the wrongs, but the right at the end of the tunnel seems better to me then the status quo.
We differ in opinion Mikey. We look at it from different angles Mikey.
I think my ablity to not only see but speak up on the bulk of the issues in this mess, speaks volumes about my critical thought process. You just want to pigeon hole me with the rest of your detractors, so you can belittle and dismiss me easier. So Mikey, I won't make your task easy.
I just wanna know who to take out first, so I can take over the position and rewrite the mandate.
Quoting MikeyDB
That would still be you and your ilk.
Who's dodging the facts now Bear?
The fact is there is no set in stone provision to deal with enemy foriegn nationals, yet you all seem to think we must apply the same laws that run our city streets in a combat zone.
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I have no idea. But I wasn't blinded by anything when I wrote this...
The war in Afghanistan was over petroleum and the American administration supplied arms and instigated the creation of the Taliban and Al Queada! Where was this great concern with freedoms and oppression before the Russians attempted to build a pipeline through Afghanistan?
The hunt for oil or Manifest Destiny in the new millenium?
Which I know you've read, I've fed it to ya so manytimes as you have been saying the exact samething to me over and over and over.
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Again, I've addressed these issues as well.
Where was this "important" expansion of human rights and "law" when the United States has backed Iraq in its war with Iran. Where was this compulsion to act on the welfare of the few when it came to Haiti or Nicaragua or Viet Nam or anywhere else Bear?
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BS and I've proved you wrong on this so many times.
It's a lie Bear and you buy it hook line and sinker...
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Now it's my 'bloodlust' is it.
It gives your bloodlust a "legitimacy" when you can ignore the antecedents and simply rally to the angry blood of fallen comrades without examining and applying critical thinking to the reasons why these events are taking place.
Not at all. I see the wrongs, but the right at the end of the tunnel seems better to me then the status quo.
We differ in opinion Mikey. We look at it from different angles Mikey.
I think my ablity to not only see but speak up on the bulk of the issues in this mess, speaks volumes about my critical thought process. You just want to pigeon hole me with the rest of your detractors, so you can belittle and dismiss me easier. So Mikey, I won't make your task easy.
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So who's the top dog in your mob, you, gopher or the beave?
Welcome to the mob!
I just wanna know who to take out first, so I can take over the position and rewrite the mandate.
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February 7th, 2008, 08:58 AM
The difficulty I have with the entire issue of Afghanistan is that while Russia was prosecuting a war in similar in every respect to the U.S. in Nicaragua, Haiti, lots of different places around the planet, the U.S. was and is entirely complicit with its "ally" Pakistan in promulgating war and terrorism. How should the people of the world regard the United States as any different than the Soviet Union when it comes to arming the Sandanistas or the Cubans or various regimes in Africa? It's the same thing and while the United States hides behind these myths of "exporting democracy" and practices establishing and maintaining regimes like Suharto and Pinochet, giving aid to Pakistan and Israel ..even knowing that insurgents and terrorists are being supplied through this "support", that this is somehow more "acceptable" than the very same behavior by the Soviet Union several years ago.
There is no difference ITN. When your stated foreign policy is "walk softly and carry a big stick"...when American "Manifest Destiny" proves itself to be in any way different than the Communist Manifesto, I'll start to pay greater attention. But from where I'm sitting there's little difference.
The difficulty I have with the entire issue of Afghanistan is that while Russia was prosecuting a war in similar in every respect to the U.S. in Nicaragua, Haiti, lots of different places around the planet, the U.S. was and is entirely complicit with its "ally" Pakistan in promulgating war and terrorism. How should the people of the world regard the United States as any different than the Soviet Union when it comes to arming the Sandanistas or the Cubans or various regimes in Africa? It's the same thing and while the United States hides behind these myths of "exporting democracy" and practices establishing and maintaining regimes like Suharto and Pinochet, giving aid to Pakistan and Israel ..even knowing that insurgents and terrorists are being supplied through this "support", that this is somehow more "acceptable" than the very same behavior by the Soviet Union several years ago.
There is no difference ITN. When your stated foreign policy is "walk softly and carry a big stick"...when American "Manifest Destiny" proves itself to be in any way different than the Communist Manifesto, I'll start to pay greater attention. But from where I'm sitting there's little difference.
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February 7th, 2008, 09:01 AM
I wish I could say it's been nice attempting to have a discussion with you Bear but I'll have to return to where I was earlier...
Imagine for a moment that I or a great many people really care what you have to say about nearly anything...then go find those folk and rage on at them with your belicose close-mindedness...
I'm no longer interested in entertaining your bigotry and willing ignorance.
I wish I could say it's been nice attempting to have a discussion with you Bear but I'll have to return to where I was earlier...
Imagine for a moment that I or a great many people really care what you have to say about nearly anything...then go find those folk and rage on at them with your belicose close-mindedness...
I'm no longer interested in entertaining your bigotry and willing ignorance.
February 7th, 2008, 09:06 AM
I love it...You're predictable disgusted egres when you are confronted with your own errors and then the claim that I'm 'belicose', 'closed minded' and a 'bigot'...
Beautiful Mikey, simply beautiful. I've always loved how you just make shyte up about me as you go along.
I submit that you are infact what you just accused me of and this is nothing more then you projecting some self realisation, so as you can keep your dellusions steadfast and inaccuate for future weaponising. You just don't know how to respond to someone that actually does see the whole picture and has addressed the bulk of the issue and this is how you deal with it. Accuse, run and regroup.
Thanx for the laugh Mikey, as usual you are a hoot.
I'ld ask you to supply some form of evidence to back up your claims, but every single request for such in the past has gone unanswered, I have no hopes of ever seeing you back up anything you claim of me.
Quoting MikeyDB
I wish I could say it's been nice attempting to have a discussion with you Bear but I'll have to return to where I was earlier...
Imagine for a moment that I or a great many people really care what you have to say about nearly anything...then go find those folk and rage on at them with your belicose close-mindedness...
I'm no longer interested in entertaining your bigotry and willing ignorance.
Imagine for a moment that I or a great many people really care what you have to say about nearly anything...then go find those folk and rage on at them with your belicose close-mindedness...
I'm no longer interested in entertaining your bigotry and willing ignorance.
I love it...You're predictable disgusted egres when you are confronted with your own errors and then the claim that I'm 'belicose', 'closed minded' and a 'bigot'...
Beautiful Mikey, simply beautiful. I've always loved how you just make shyte up about me as you go along.
I submit that you are infact what you just accused me of and this is nothing more then you projecting some self realisation, so as you can keep your dellusions steadfast and inaccuate for future weaponising. You just don't know how to respond to someone that actually does see the whole picture and has addressed the bulk of the issue and this is how you deal with it. Accuse, run and regroup.
Thanx for the laugh Mikey, as usual you are a hoot.
I'ld ask you to supply some form of evidence to back up your claims, but every single request for such in the past has gone unanswered, I have no hopes of ever seeing you back up anything you claim of me.
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February 7th, 2008, 09:09 AM
I'm still a little confused though or perhaps I don't have all the info.
Who is allegedly building this pipeline? I was under the impression it was an Asian Bank.
Quoting MikeyDB
Yes, it is reasonable to expect it.
Hi ITN!
Yes initially it was proposed as a gas pipeline but if the example of Russian expansionism in other areas can be applied as lesson in this example, how long would it be before commodities other than natural gas were being funnelled through this corridor? We have the myth of the weapons of mass destruction perpetrated by the American administration as example of how prepared any nation can be to wage war (both economic and military) on the basis of a lie an exageration or even as an element of "national interest/security", would it be more or less reasonable to expect that the Russians would use this opportunity in much the same way...?
Yes initially it was proposed as a gas pipeline but if the example of Russian expansionism in other areas can be applied as lesson in this example, how long would it be before commodities other than natural gas were being funnelled through this corridor? We have the myth of the weapons of mass destruction perpetrated by the American administration as example of how prepared any nation can be to wage war (both economic and military) on the basis of a lie an exageration or even as an element of "national interest/security", would it be more or less reasonable to expect that the Russians would use this opportunity in much the same way...?
I'm still a little confused though or perhaps I don't have all the info.
Who is allegedly building this pipeline? I was under the impression it was an Asian Bank.
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February 7th, 2008, 09:17 AM
Quoting dancing-loon
Should Omar ever get free, he better not come back to hostile Canada!! I wouldn't!!!
I'm so disappointed with our current government! They cannot show compassion for their own citizen, but only blind servitude to the US! Disgusting!!
If Khadr somehow ends up back in this country, don't think for a second that he will be finished with the judicial system, as more likely then not he will be facing treason charges Should Omar ever get free, he better not come back to hostile Canada!! I wouldn't!!!
I'm so disappointed with our current government! They cannot show compassion for their own citizen, but only blind servitude to the US! Disgusting!!
February 7th, 2008, 09:19 AM
Quoting DurkaDurka
Durka, I hate to disagree with you, but no matter the colour of the political stripe in office in this country. Not one has the balls to right wrongs, enact real justice, nor take on people like Khadr as they should be.
If Khadr somehow ends up back in this country, don't think for a second that he will be finished with the judicial system, as more likely then not he will be facing treason charges
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February 7th, 2008, 09:34 AM
Omar Khadr
Theres a nice traditional Canadian name for you.
Maybe the West will open it's eyes and see that followers of the Islamic faith have only 1 loyalty, and that is to islam, they can't integrate, they complain about the west constantly, they treat women less than human, god forbid that we should open our eyes and see the threat that is posed towards the Western way of life.
As for the Canadian Goverment showing compassion to its citizen...lets just hope they don't allow Shariah law, along with flogging, stoning and every other primitive method that goes hand in hand with the faith, it will be a matter of time before they demand it, afterall, they are taught there is no ''man made law'' only the law of Allah.
Omar Khadr
Theres a nice traditional Canadian name for you.
Maybe the West will open it's eyes and see that followers of the Islamic faith have only 1 loyalty, and that is to islam, they can't integrate, they complain about the west constantly, they treat women less than human, god forbid that we should open our eyes and see the threat that is posed towards the Western way of life.
As for the Canadian Goverment showing compassion to its citizen...lets just hope they don't allow Shariah law, along with flogging, stoning and every other primitive method that goes hand in hand with the faith, it will be a matter of time before they demand it, afterall, they are taught there is no ''man made law'' only the law of Allah.
February 7th, 2008, 09:49 AM
Quoting ENGLISH_TITAN
Omar Khadr
Theres a nice traditional Canadian name for you.
Maybe the West will open it's eyes and see that followers of the Islamic faith have only 1 loyalty, and that is to islam, they can't integrate, they complain about the west constantly, they treat women less than human, god forbid that we should open our eyes and see the threat that is posed towards the Western way of life.
As for the Canadian Goverment showing compassion to its citizen...lets just hope they don't allow Shariah law, along with flogging, stoning and every other primitive method that goes hand in hand with the faith, it will be a matter of time before they demand it, afterall, they are taught there is no ''man made law'' only the law of Allah.
Theres a nice traditional Canadian name for you.
Maybe the West will open it's eyes and see that followers of the Islamic faith have only 1 loyalty, and that is to islam, they can't integrate, they complain about the west constantly, they treat women less than human, god forbid that we should open our eyes and see the threat that is posed towards the Western way of life.
As for the Canadian Goverment showing compassion to its citizen...lets just hope they don't allow Shariah law, along with flogging, stoning and every other primitive method that goes hand in hand with the faith, it will be a matter of time before they demand it, afterall, they are taught there is no ''man made law'' only the law of Allah.
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February 8th, 2008, 06:23 AM
Quoting ENGLISH_TITAN
Separation of Church and state is entrenched here there will never be any form of sharia law- they can demand all they want but it will not happen- If it's not good for all, then it is not good for anybody. I have had quite enough of "adapting" to other cultures, if they want to practice their beleifs, fine they may do so in their own way and at their own expense. But whipping, stoning or any other form of cultural corporal punishment will not be tolerated here.
Omar Khadr
Theres a nice traditional Canadian name for you.
Maybe the West will open it's eyes and see that followers of the Islamic faith have only 1 loyalty, and that is to islam, they can't integrate, they complain about the west constantly, they treat women less than human, god forbid that we should open our eyes and see the threat that is posed towards the Western way of life.
As for the Canadian Goverment showing compassion to its citizen...lets just hope they don't allow Shariah law, along with flogging, stoning and every other primitive method that goes hand in hand with the faith, it will be a matter of time before they demand it, afterall, they are taught there is no ''man made law'' only the law of Allah.
Theres a nice traditional Canadian name for you.
Maybe the West will open it's eyes and see that followers of the Islamic faith have only 1 loyalty, and that is to islam, they can't integrate, they complain about the west constantly, they treat women less than human, god forbid that we should open our eyes and see the threat that is posed towards the Western way of life.
As for the Canadian Goverment showing compassion to its citizen...lets just hope they don't allow Shariah law, along with flogging, stoning and every other primitive method that goes hand in hand with the faith, it will be a matter of time before they demand it, afterall, they are taught there is no ''man made law'' only the law of Allah.
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February 8th, 2008, 08:06 AM
Lester
Recently the Ontario government handed a Moslem organization 2 million dollars to assist their interests in cricket...the game...
Our federal police under pressure from Ottawa have altered the dress uniform to accomodate turbans.
Youngsters who believe the carrying of a knife is a religious "right" are permitted this freedom but at the same time we've heard of a young girls expelled from school for bringing a knife to school to cut her lunch (steak) meal....
Which is more likely...
Immigration to Canada will decrease as climate changes and infertile regions of the earth will blossom and prosper under new climate conditions
Or Canada and all nations will begin to see a dramatic increase in immigration to regions with abundant fresh water and arable land....
Is Canada a participant in the world community or is it Junior USA embracing the belief that the world must conform to western standards of morality and belief....?
Is there a middle ground?
Lester
Recently the Ontario government handed a Moslem organization 2 million dollars to assist their interests in cricket...the game...
Our federal police under pressure from Ottawa have altered the dress uniform to accomodate turbans.
Youngsters who believe the carrying of a knife is a religious "right" are permitted this freedom but at the same time we've heard of a young girls expelled from school for bringing a knife to school to cut her lunch (steak) meal....
Which is more likely...
Immigration to Canada will decrease as climate changes and infertile regions of the earth will blossom and prosper under new climate conditions
Or Canada and all nations will begin to see a dramatic increase in immigration to regions with abundant fresh water and arable land....
Is Canada a participant in the world community or is it Junior USA embracing the belief that the world must conform to western standards of morality and belief....?
Is there a middle ground?
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February 8th, 2008, 08:32 AM
Furthermore, who would have imagined the Archbishop stating Shariah law in the UK is inevitable and acceptable.
Here is just a little snipet of something I found that shows how these things can arise underneath are very noses:
Today Shariah is finding a new home in Canada. In 1991, an amendment was made to Ontario's Arbitration Act, allowing parties to settle disputes outside the courts. This was supposed to ease the overly-burdened court system and save Ontario taxpayers some money.
What it also did was open the gates in Canada for Shariah law, and a small group of Muslims in Toronto has set up a Shariah arbitration court where the arbiters will make judgments on civil matters such as divorce, inheritance and child custody. After they come to a decision they'll send the finding to a provincial judge for a stamp of approval.
It has already begun I'm afraid.
Quoting Lester
That is the general consensus here also, however, with corrupt politicians, the constant demand of muslims, add to the mixture people that don't care for traditional values and christian beliefs, there is always the chance of a ''trial'' section of the nation using this to see how it ''goes''
Separation of Church and state is entrenched here there will never be any form of sharia law- they can demand all they want but it will not happen- If it's not good for all, then it is not good for anybody. I have had quite enough of "adapting" to other cultures, if they want to practice their beleifs, fine they may do so in their own way and at their own expense. But whipping, stoning or any other form of cultural corporal punishment will not be tolerated here.
Furthermore, who would have imagined the Archbishop stating Shariah law in the UK is inevitable and acceptable.
Here is just a little snipet of something I found that shows how these things can arise underneath are very noses:
Today Shariah is finding a new home in Canada. In 1991, an amendment was made to Ontario's Arbitration Act, allowing parties to settle disputes outside the courts. This was supposed to ease the overly-burdened court system and save Ontario taxpayers some money.
What it also did was open the gates in Canada for Shariah law, and a small group of Muslims in Toronto has set up a Shariah arbitration court where the arbiters will make judgments on civil matters such as divorce, inheritance and child custody. After they come to a decision they'll send the finding to a provincial judge for a stamp of approval.
It has already begun I'm afraid.
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February 8th, 2008, 03:53 PM
Civil matters are one thing, but they still must conform to Canadian law- A judgement cannot be biased in the eyes of the court or it cannot be allowed- It must be fair and equal under the law and cannot be altered under the guise of a religious doctrine.
Civil matters are one thing, but they still must conform to Canadian law- A judgement cannot be biased in the eyes of the court or it cannot be allowed- It must be fair and equal under the law and cannot be altered under the guise of a religious doctrine.
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February 8th, 2008, 04:05 PM
I can't wait till we have shariah law especially the banking part of it. I will wear arab clothing as well and a turban and carry a big sword and eat christian babies, it's a free country and I'll do what I damn well please and the rest of you crown sucking pinheads can eat my sludge.
I can't wait till we have shariah law especially the banking part of it. I will wear arab clothing as well and a turban and carry a big sword and eat christian babies, it's a free country and I'll do what I damn well please and the rest of you crown sucking pinheads can eat my sludge.
February 8th, 2008, 04:47 PM
I know you're just upset that Chavez's took a major blow when Exxon won a 12 billion dollar freeze of Venezuela Assets. But don't take it out on the ones that can say "We told ya so".
Quoting darkbeaver
Grow up.
I can't wait till we have shariah law especially the banking part of it. I will wear arab clothing as well and a turban and carry a big sword and eat christian babies, it's a free country and I'll do what I damn well please and the rest of you crown sucking pinheads can eat my sludge.
I know you're just upset that Chavez's took a major blow when Exxon won a 12 billion dollar freeze of Venezuela Assets. But don't take it out on the ones that can say "We told ya so".
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February 9th, 2008, 06:21 AM
Quoting Lester
I assume if civil matters are one thing, you have no problem with Canada currently giving 4 rounds of welfare payments to each of a Muslims wives, yet the canadian goverment will charge childrens parents for any perscription costs they may require, seems fine and dandy and totally unbiased.
Civil matters are one thing, but they still must conform to Canadian law- A judgement cannot be biased in the eyes of the court or it cannot be allowed- It must be fair and equal under the law and cannot be altered under the guise of a religious doctrine.
