Knows Too Much
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January 12th, 2008, 08:09 PM
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/webl...Mindcrime&only
Good to know our money is being well spent defending our right to be censored by people who don't like what we have to say.
Thank goodness for people with Cajones like Ezra Levant. This inquiry should not be happening, it's an obvious abuse of process.
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/webl...Mindcrime&only
Good to know our money is being well spent defending our right to be censored by people who don't like what we have to say.
Thank goodness for people with Cajones like Ezra Levant. This inquiry should not be happening, it's an obvious abuse of process.
A modern nomad
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Location: Berlin, Germany
Location: Berlin, Germany
January 13th, 2008, 05:05 AM
Yes, I remember: Ernst Zundel was released because that particular law was deemed unconstitutional.
We happen to have a constitutionally more sound legislation forbidding hate propaganda. The Human Rights Commission is probably trying to figure out what his intentions were in publishing those comics in Canada, because giving the timing, any idiot should have seen it was time for subtlety and not a hammer. If he published it with the intent of stirring up hatred for a culture, or knowing that was the likely result, then he could be tried under hate propaganda laws even though the comics themselves are not necessarily hate propaganda. The medium and the message are two different things, and like the message of speech makes death threats illegal so too can Levant's ultimate meaning make his actions illegal. It is not that we don't like certain messages: certain messages are dangerous and do nothing for truth and the pursuit of happiness.
Or have we already forgotten the past?
Yes, I remember: Ernst Zundel was released because that particular law was deemed unconstitutional.
We happen to have a constitutionally more sound legislation forbidding hate propaganda. The Human Rights Commission is probably trying to figure out what his intentions were in publishing those comics in Canada, because giving the timing, any idiot should have seen it was time for subtlety and not a hammer. If he published it with the intent of stirring up hatred for a culture, or knowing that was the likely result, then he could be tried under hate propaganda laws even though the comics themselves are not necessarily hate propaganda. The medium and the message are two different things, and like the message of speech makes death threats illegal so too can Levant's ultimate meaning make his actions illegal. It is not that we don't like certain messages: certain messages are dangerous and do nothing for truth and the pursuit of happiness.
Or have we already forgotten the past?
January 13th, 2008, 06:35 AM
Why didn't they just call themselves the thought cops instead of hiding behind the misleading title of HRC?
Quoting Niflmir
Thanx for clearing that up...I thought they were supposed to address serious breaches of the Human Right Laws, not the imagined mechanisations of ones thoughts.
Yes, I remember: Ernst Zundel was released because that particular law was deemed unconstitutional.
We happen to have a constitutionally more sound legislation forbidding hate propaganda. The Human Rights Commission is probably trying to figure out what his intentions were in publishing those comics in Canada, because giving the timing, any idiot should have seen it was time for subtlety and not a hammer. If he published it with the intent of stirring up hatred for a culture, or knowing that was the likely result, then he could be tried under hate propaganda laws even though the comics themselves are not necessarily hate propaganda. The medium and the message are two different things, and like the message of speech makes death threats illegal so too can Levant's ultimate meaning make his actions illegal. It is not that we don't like certain messages: certain messages are dangerous and do nothing for truth and the pursuit of happiness.
Or have we already forgotten the past?
We happen to have a constitutionally more sound legislation forbidding hate propaganda. The Human Rights Commission is probably trying to figure out what his intentions were in publishing those comics in Canada, because giving the timing, any idiot should have seen it was time for subtlety and not a hammer. If he published it with the intent of stirring up hatred for a culture, or knowing that was the likely result, then he could be tried under hate propaganda laws even though the comics themselves are not necessarily hate propaganda. The medium and the message are two different things, and like the message of speech makes death threats illegal so too can Levant's ultimate meaning make his actions illegal. It is not that we don't like certain messages: certain messages are dangerous and do nothing for truth and the pursuit of happiness.
Or have we already forgotten the past?
Why didn't they just call themselves the thought cops instead of hiding behind the misleading title of HRC?
Steven Hawking's Tutor
Posts: 4,899
Location: Saint John, N.B.
Location: Saint John, N.B.
January 13th, 2008, 10:06 AM
When someone, in this case radical Islam, is trying to create a climate of fear, when they are using intimidation, when they threaten violence, when people in the world are being killed over a CARTOON, when cartoonists for God's sake, have to seek protection....that is EXACTLY the time you need a hammer.........you need somebody with the BALLS to print not only the cartoons in question, but new cartoons intended not only to illustrate, but DESIGNED to offend those who would suppress freedom.............Mohammed pissing on a cowardly, cowering west.......or Mohammed being pissed upon by Ezra Levant....
God, have we COMPLETELY lost the will to defend our values, our civilization from these idiotic barbarians?
Quoting Niflmir
You have carefully and fully revealed all the reasons that hate crime legislation is a assault on human freedom, a repudiation of English common law,a gigantic step backward......
Yes, I remember: Ernst Zundel was released because that particular law was deemed unconstitutional.
We happen to have a constitutionally more sound legislation forbidding hate propaganda. The Human Rights Commission is probably trying to figure out what his intentions were in publishing those comics in Canada, because giving the timing, any idiot should have seen it was time for subtlety and not a hammer. If he published it with the intent of stirring up hatred for a culture, or knowing that was the likely result, then he could be tried under hate propaganda laws even though the comics themselves are not necessarily hate propaganda. The medium and the message are two different things, and like the message of speech makes death threats illegal so too can Levant's ultimate meaning make his actions illegal. It is not that we don't like certain messages: certain messages are dangerous and do nothing for truth and the pursuit of happiness.
Or have we already forgotten the past?
We happen to have a constitutionally more sound legislation forbidding hate propaganda. The Human Rights Commission is probably trying to figure out what his intentions were in publishing those comics in Canada, because giving the timing, any idiot should have seen it was time for subtlety and not a hammer. If he published it with the intent of stirring up hatred for a culture, or knowing that was the likely result, then he could be tried under hate propaganda laws even though the comics themselves are not necessarily hate propaganda. The medium and the message are two different things, and like the message of speech makes death threats illegal so too can Levant's ultimate meaning make his actions illegal. It is not that we don't like certain messages: certain messages are dangerous and do nothing for truth and the pursuit of happiness.
Or have we already forgotten the past?
When someone, in this case radical Islam, is trying to create a climate of fear, when they are using intimidation, when they threaten violence, when people in the world are being killed over a CARTOON, when cartoonists for God's sake, have to seek protection....that is EXACTLY the time you need a hammer.........you need somebody with the BALLS to print not only the cartoons in question, but new cartoons intended not only to illustrate, but DESIGNED to offend those who would suppress freedom.............Mohammed pissing on a cowardly, cowering west.......or Mohammed being pissed upon by Ezra Levant....
God, have we COMPLETELY lost the will to defend our values, our civilization from these idiotic barbarians?
January 13th, 2008, 10:28 AM
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Yes we have a winner...
BINGO!!!
Quoting Colpy
Ladies and gentlemen, please remain seated until the card...post has been varified...
You have carefully and fully revealed all the reasons that hate crime legislation is a assault on human freedom, a repudiation of English common law,a gigantic step backward......
When someone, in this case radical Islam, is trying to create a climate of fear, when they are using intimidation, when they threaten violence, when people in the world are being killed over a CARTOON, when cartoonists for God's sake, have to seek protection....that is EXACTLY the time you need a hammer.........you need somebody with the BALLS to print not only the cartoons in question, but new cartoons intended not only to illustrate, but DESIGNED to offend those who would suppress freedom.............Mohammed pissing on a cowardly, cowering west.......or Mohammed being pissed upon by Ezra Levant....
God, have we COMPLETELY lost the will to defend our values, our civilization from these idiotic barbarians?
When someone, in this case radical Islam, is trying to create a climate of fear, when they are using intimidation, when they threaten violence, when people in the world are being killed over a CARTOON, when cartoonists for God's sake, have to seek protection....that is EXACTLY the time you need a hammer.........you need somebody with the BALLS to print not only the cartoons in question, but new cartoons intended not only to illustrate, but DESIGNED to offend those who would suppress freedom.............Mohammed pissing on a cowardly, cowering west.......or Mohammed being pissed upon by Ezra Levant....
God, have we COMPLETELY lost the will to defend our values, our civilization from these idiotic barbarians?
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Yes we have a winner...
BINGO!!!
Knows Too Much
Posts: 2,317
January 21st, 2008, 06:08 PM
Pat Condell tells it like it is:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatc...ves/019662.php
Pat Condell tells it like it is:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatc...ves/019662.php
Mighty Intellect
Posts: 1,535
Location: Calgary, Alberta
Location: Calgary, Alberta
January 21st, 2008, 06:28 PM
Wow - just what the hell is the HRC doing? What a stupid procedure, what a wonderful attack by Ezra Levant. BTW, I hated the Western Standard, and I almost always disagree with Levant, but here he is exactly right.
This sort of stupidity ought to get the HRC disbanded. And the Minister responsible should resign.
Pangloss
Wow - just what the hell is the HRC doing? What a stupid procedure, what a wonderful attack by Ezra Levant. BTW, I hated the Western Standard, and I almost always disagree with Levant, but here he is exactly right.
This sort of stupidity ought to get the HRC disbanded. And the Minister responsible should resign.
Pangloss
Mighty Intellect
Posts: 1,535
Location: Calgary, Alberta
Location: Calgary, Alberta
January 21st, 2008, 06:31 PM
CDN Bear:
I'm a pretty hard leftie, and I've always maintained that free speech is absolute (except for the "fire in a theatre" variety) for everyone.
The Lokan and Browne quote is exactly right.
So much for baiting the left.
Pangloss
CDN Bear:
I'm a pretty hard leftie, and I've always maintained that free speech is absolute (except for the "fire in a theatre" variety) for everyone.
The Lokan and Browne quote is exactly right.
So much for baiting the left.
Pangloss
January 21st, 2008, 06:42 PM
We need the checks and balances of right vs. left, but what we don't need, is the left or the right using an institution as weapon to censor speech.
And as unfortunet as it maybe, I see the left of the line, using institutions such as the HRC as a weapon, more so then the right. You see the right usurping free speech when they try to stifle ideologies that do not conform to what they see as normal sociatal decency, ie: Homsexuality, be it porn or lit.
So no side is immune to the wiles of the weapon, only one uses it to stifle speech, on the intent of thought.
I find that terrifying.
Slippery slope be damned, when one can be punished for a thought, our society has begun to eat itself.
Quoting Pangloss
I actually wasn't baiting persay, but then again, I don't consider you an extreme left wingnut.
CDN Bear:
I'm a pretty hard leftie, and I've always maintained that free speech is absolute (except for the "fire in a theatre" variety) for everyone.
The Lokan and Browne quote is exactly right.
So much for baiting the left.
Pangloss
I'm a pretty hard leftie, and I've always maintained that free speech is absolute (except for the "fire in a theatre" variety) for everyone.
The Lokan and Browne quote is exactly right.
So much for baiting the left.
Pangloss
We need the checks and balances of right vs. left, but what we don't need, is the left or the right using an institution as weapon to censor speech.
And as unfortunet as it maybe, I see the left of the line, using institutions such as the HRC as a weapon, more so then the right. You see the right usurping free speech when they try to stifle ideologies that do not conform to what they see as normal sociatal decency, ie: Homsexuality, be it porn or lit.
So no side is immune to the wiles of the weapon, only one uses it to stifle speech, on the intent of thought.
I find that terrifying.
Slippery slope be damned, when one can be punished for a thought, our society has begun to eat itself.
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January 21st, 2008, 06:48 PM
Ezra Levant is a hatefull bigot.
Ezra Levant is a hatefull bigot.
January 21st, 2008, 06:58 PM
Funny Beav, you did a lil dance on me in one of Townsey's thread on the Jews about free speech and yet here you are, calling a man who's, for all intents and purposes, only crime is reprinting some cartoons.
Do the fundemental principals of freedom of speech only matter when the ideology being flamed is one that you embrace or feel is ok to be taken to task?
Quoting darkbeaver
Any proof, or are you of those 'Thought cops' we're worrying about?
Ezra Levant is a hatefull bigot.
Funny Beav, you did a lil dance on me in one of Townsey's thread on the Jews about free speech and yet here you are, calling a man who's, for all intents and purposes, only crime is reprinting some cartoons.
Do the fundemental principals of freedom of speech only matter when the ideology being flamed is one that you embrace or feel is ok to be taken to task?
Steven Hawking's Tutor
Posts: 4,604
January 21st, 2008, 09:19 PM
Human rights...
The right to change the RCMP dress uniform to appease a religious minority... the right of younsters to carry knives as a statement of their religious pursuasion....
There's lots of protection going on here in Canada......
Human rights...
The right to change the RCMP dress uniform to appease a religious minority... the right of younsters to carry knives as a statement of their religious pursuasion....
There's lots of protection going on here in Canada......
Steven Hawking's Tutor
Posts: 4,604
January 21st, 2008, 09:32 PM
Colpy
When it comes to the rights of Canadians to live in a nation without firearms violence would you be so quick to agree that something like the Human Rights Commission has the authority to take your guns?
I know I wouldn't, but then I thought that the Canadian Human Rights Commission would fairly represent my rights as a Canadian but it certainly appears that's not the case.
Colpy
When it comes to the rights of Canadians to live in a nation without firearms violence would you be so quick to agree that something like the Human Rights Commission has the authority to take your guns?
I know I wouldn't, but then I thought that the Canadian Human Rights Commission would fairly represent my rights as a Canadian but it certainly appears that's not the case.
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January 21st, 2008, 09:35 PM
Quoting CDNBear
His intent was to enflame hatered and perpetuate stereotyping of Muslims, he's a piece of hatefull crap, I've read enough of his garbage to know exactly what he is and exactly what he's worth, I wouldn't cross the street to urinate on him if he was on fire.
Any proof, or are you of those 'Thought cops' we're worrying about?
Funny Beav, you did a lil dance on me in one of Townsey's thread on the Jews about free speech and yet here you are, calling a man who's, for all intents and purposes, only crime is reprinting some cartoons.
Do the fundemental principals of freedom of speech only matter when the ideology being flamed is one that you embrace or feel is ok to be taken to task?
Funny Beav, you did a lil dance on me in one of Townsey's thread on the Jews about free speech and yet here you are, calling a man who's, for all intents and purposes, only crime is reprinting some cartoons.
Do the fundemental principals of freedom of speech only matter when the ideology being flamed is one that you embrace or feel is ok to be taken to task?
Knows Too Much
Posts: 2,317
January 21st, 2008, 10:03 PM
It's all a ruse, as evidenced by the three cartoons that were originally shown by the Imams...3 of the fifteen original were planted by the imams...the three rudest most offensive of fifteen original cartoons were created deliberately by the clergy to incite anger.
That's the biggest hurdle to ending stereotypes, not anything Ezra Levant can say or do.
Quoting darkbeaver
Ironically, dragging him before the HRC is giving him the notoriety he's looking for. It also does more to perpetuate the stereotype of Muslims than any cartoon. Like the guy in the video said, if they didn't make such a fuss, not only would the cartoons have been long forgotton, very few people would have been aware of them in the first place.
His intent was to enflame hatered and perpetuate stereotyping of Muslims, he's a piece of hatefull crap, I've read enough of his garbage to know exactly what he is and exactly what he's worth, I wouldn't cross the street to urinate on him if he was on fire.
It's all a ruse, as evidenced by the three cartoons that were originally shown by the Imams...3 of the fifteen original were planted by the imams...the three rudest most offensive of fifteen original cartoons were created deliberately by the clergy to incite anger.
That's the biggest hurdle to ending stereotypes, not anything Ezra Levant can say or do.
