Death of Long Gun Registry

[Durgan]

Tories move to kill long-gun registry


http://sahya.notlong.com
THE CANADIAN PRESS
November 16, 2007 at 2:46 PM EST

OTTAWA — The Harper government has reintroduced a bill to kill the controversial registry for rifles and shotguns.
Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day says the bill means that retailers will still have to record sales of long guns, but individuals won't have to register them.
People will still need a firearms licence to buy rifles and shotguns.
A bill to kill the registry was first introduced in the Commons last June but died when the session was prorogued.
Opposition parties have said they are against eliminating the registration requirement.

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[Colpy]

IT IS ABOUT BLOODY TIME!

This doesn't go NEARLY far enough to correct the idiocy inherent in Canada's gun control system, but at least it is something...........

 

[Nuggler]

What Colpy said.

 

[lone wolf]

I wonder if they give rebates - or reimburse owners for all those long rifles that went to the shredder. At least I'm legal again....

Woof!

 

[Locutus]

What Colpy and Nug said. Aside from official make-work bilingualism, this is the worst of the liberals wallet-rape.

 

[Jersay]

Sad. Sad day. The mounties in Mayerthorpe and elsewhere in Laval were killed by long-guns not pistols. Now the registry is gone. But that is the Cons for you. Continue supporting Con policy.

 

[Walter]

God bless Mr. Harper.

 

[CDNBear]

Though I prefer Bows to guns, this is the best policy they had on the plate and it's been to long in the making.

This is a major step away from the socialist ideology of disarming the public.

 

[Colpy]

Sad. Sad day. The mounties in Mayerthorpe and elsewhere in Laval were killed by long-guns not pistols. Now the registry is gone. But that is the Cons for you. Continue supporting Con policy.

Don't be ridiculous.

The H&K 91 used in Mayerthorpe had never been registered. It was smuggled in from the United States, I believe.

If you are refering to the female officer killed in Quebec a year ago, The fact the weapon in Laval WAS registered did not stop the owner from shooting the cop. Nor did that fact help in the conviction of the perpetrator. If you are talking about the cop killed in a drug raid, your position is even more laughable.........drug dealers don't carry registered weapons.......

The registry was the Liberals' attempt to buy votes in TO by harassing honest citizens.

The Conservatives are simply plugging a hole in the National treasury through which a couple of BILLION dollars have spilled out, to no discernable end.

Tell me, if you want to keep spending money on this, WHAT GOOD IS IT?

 

[MikeyDB]

Colpy

I agree with the gist of your sentiments but would enhance the argument (perhaps)...

Canadians have never gotten what they paid for. If you believe that a gaggle of lawyers making enormous money through this and similar stupidity generated out of "government policy" are the Canadian people, it isnt. What return have Canadians gotten on millions spent on legal wrangling out of "Air India", Air-Bus", "Ad-Scam", or any of the never ending dog'npony shows that have padded the coffers of everyone BUT the Canadian people?

Secondly, this is like many government shams, an exercise in diverting Canadians from the real problems that under-gird criminal firearms use. "Don't look at the man behind the curtain" legedermain that supposedly convinces people that poverty, organized crime, drug abuse, and an incredible slew of social maladies stems from firearms ownership.

Whether it's a liberal or a conservative government, Canadians have supported failed policies, inept management and a culture of corruption at the very core of Canadian government.

Bush et al sold the Americans on a war so his buddies could make fortunes and Harper has made a farce out of his promises to "bring integrity" and "transparency" back to Canadian politics.

This current move to screw around with the long-gun registry is merely anohter chapter in the game that passes for government in this country.

 

[Durgan]

It is no doubt comforting to a criminal, intruding on private property, to know that there is likely no guns present, after all citizens of Canada are disarmed, which is basically the underlying intent of the knee-jerk Federal Gun Registry.

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[Colpy]

It is no doubt comforting to a criminal, intruding on private property, to know that there is likely no guns present, after all citizens of Canada are disarmed, which is basically the underlying intent of the knee-jerk Federal Gun Registry.

Durgan
http://www.durgan.org/Blog/Durgan.html

There is nothing more essential to the continued enjoyment of Liberty than an armed population....

therefore there is nothing more despised by government than an armed population.......

 

[jwmcq625]

It is no doubt comforting to a criminal, intruding on private property, to know that there is likely no guns present, after all citizens of Canada are disarmed, which is basically the underlying intent of the knee-jerk Federal Gun Registry.

The next step for te Liberals once registration was achieved was the confiscation without compensation, similar to what occured in Australia. Austratia's experience has been that the number of B & E's has skyrocketed, because criminals have no fear that even if the people are home, they are not armed to interfere with whatever it is they want to do. The other reason I believe is that Chretien was afraid that an armed population could overthrow the government when they finally found out all the corruption his government was up to. We have likely only seen the tip of the iceberg when it came to teh underhandedness the Liberals had planned for us. I believe they and the NDP really liked the idea of turning this country into a socialist state, where government is all things to all people, and that is NOT a free country. Myself I don't want socialism, I want the freedom to makemy own decisions as to how MY money should be spent, and not having government make those decisions for me. Someone mentioned the failed Trudeau initiative of bilingualism. It has cost this country a fortune, and is still costing a fortune, and the result is that the numbers have reamined virtually unchanged in what, 40 some odd years?

 

[Colpy]

The next step for te Liberals once registration was achieved was the confiscation without compensation, similar to what occured in Australia. Austratia's experience has been that the number of B & E's has skyrocketed, because criminals have no fear that even if the people are home, they are not armed to interfere with whatever it is they want to do. The other reason I believe is that Chretien was afraid that an armed population could overthrow the government when they finally found out all the corruption his government was up to. We have likely only seen the tip of the iceberg when it came to teh underhandedness the Liberals had planned for us. I believe they and the NDP really liked the idea of turning this country into a socialist state, where government is all things to all people, and that is NOT a free country. Myself I don't want socialism, I want the freedom to makemy own decisions as to how MY money should be spent, and not having government make those decisions for me. Someone mentioned the failed Trudeau initiative of bilingualism. It has cost this country a fortune, and is still costing a fortune, and the result is that the numbers have reamined virtually unchanged in what, 40 some odd years?

Actually, when Australia banned semi-auto, pumps, and I believe lever action guns, they DID pay compensation......several hundred million dollars worth.....for nothing.

Canada does NOT pay compensation when they arbitrarily seize weapons.....outrageous!

 

[Sparrow]

I will take a risk here and ask a stupid question. I really don't know much about guns but here goes.
When someone purchases a gun don't they have to get a license? If so, the licenses would be registered! Why couldn't the information be taken from the application for the license?

 

[lone wolf]

I will take a risk here and ask a stupid question. I really don't know much about guns but here goes.
When someone purchases a gun don't they have to get a license? If so, the licenses would be registered! Why couldn't the information be taken from the application for the license?

Theoretically, it should be easy to get the info from your FAC. That would go against all the complications of bureaucracy government stands for.

Woof!

 

[Colpy]

I will take a risk here and ask a stupid question. I really don't know much about guns but here goes.
When someone purchases a gun don't they have to get a license? If so, the licenses would be registered! Why couldn't the information be taken from the application for the license?

I'm not sure I completely understand the question.....but yes, firearms owners have to hold a license. That is a graduated license, for long guns only, for long guns and handguns, or for long guns, handguns, and "grandfathered" prohibited weapons of a specific type.......

Every firearm held by an owner also must be registered.....and there is the rub. The registration system is completely fouled, inaccurate, extremely expensive, an absolute waste of time, energy, and cash.

If we had any sense in this country (IMHO) we would dump all registration...........long guns and handguns........and concentrate on proper licensing.....including a simple provision.....caught with a gun? Got a license for that type? NO?! Go directly to jail, do not pass go, do not collect bail money........simple, cheap, effective.

 

[CDNBear]

I'm not sure I completely understand the question.....but yes, firearms owners have to hold a license. That is a graduated license, for long guns only, for long guns and handguns, or for long guns, handguns, and "grandfathered" prohibited weapons of a specific type.......

Every firearm held by an owner also must be registered.....and there is the rub. The registration system is completely fouled, inaccurate, extremely expensive, an absolute waste of time, energy, and cash.

If we had any sense in this country (IMHO) we would dump all registration...........long guns and handguns........and concentrate on proper licensing.....including a simple provision.....caught with a gun? Got a license for that type? NO?! Go directly to jail, do not pass go, do not collect bail money........simple, cheap, effective.

A clear thought, but why is this such a bone of contention with the proponents of the gun registry.

On a simular note...

Does anyone know how easy it is to aquire information on who has in their posession, weapons. Be them long guns, handguns or air rifles for that matter?

Next time you go to Can Trash, go to the sporting goods counter and take a look around for a large blue binder. The colour may very, so you may have to do a lil snooping.

Establishments, such as Canadian Tire and all Sporting Goods stores must record records on the sale of certain items, but Can Trash is recklessly flippant about how it stores those records.

They also require a Drivers License to purchase pellets and BB's.

This information is hard copied on paper.

I've actually seen one of these binders walk out of a store.

Only to be returned by the person that took it, to the store manager, with a lengthy rant on how Can Trash had violated his privacy and subjected his safety to serious damage.

 

[MikeyDB]

A clear thought, but why is this such a bone of contention with the proponents of the gun registry.

On a simular note...

Does anyone know how easy it is to aquire information on who has in their posession, weapons. Be them long guns, handguns or air rifles for that matter?

Next time you go to Can Trash, go to the sporting goods counter and take a look around for a large blue binder. The colour may very, so you may have to do a lil snooping.

Establishments, such as Canadian Tire and all Sporting Goods stores must record records on the sale of certain items, but Can Trash is recklessly flippant about how it stores those records.

They also require a Drivers License to purchase pellets and BB's.

This information is hard copied on paper.

I've actually seen one of these binders walk out of a store.

Only to be returned by the person that took it, to the store manager, with a lengthy rant on how Can Trash had violated his privacy and subjected his safety to serious damage.

Excellent point Bear!

Makes ya wonder now doesn't it! At the club where I shoot we are required to sign-in to the pistol ranges but only a persons PAL number, no names......security ....HA!

As you've pointed out, people purchasing ammunition leave their PAL or POS and other information that makes locating where firearms are stored....easy.

Aside from firearms owners being potentially placed at risk through this wonderful system, does the average Canadian believe that their interests are being served by enforcement of a system that can easily allow someone to locate legitimately owned firearms?

Another indication that the Government of Canada is out of touch with reality and certainly not equpped to talk knowledgeably about security.....

Before you had to provide all that info for ammo...a B&E goon would have had to watch and follow people, now all he has to do is take the book.....

Good point Bear!

 

[Sal]

sorry, double post