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October 31st, 2007, 08:28 PM
Turns out Mulroney was full of **** when he claimed he barely knew Karlheinz Schreiber and that he never received any money from him. Mulroney did in fact receive $300,000 from the Airbus rep from the same account used to influence conservative insiders to buy Airbus craft for a large Air Canada purchase in the late 1980s.
Considering that Mulroney has received $2.1 million from Canadian tax-payers based on his sworn testimony now proved false and that there was a $20 million account under the control of Schreiber to influence the Mulroney government to buy Airbus products, which in fact did happen, it's time for a federal inquiry over the affair. Mulroney also needs to pay taxes on the $300,000 he failed to claim as income more than ten years ago, there should be some interesting penalties to pay.
For a man who had the nerve to claim Pierre Elliot Trudeau lacked the moral qualities to lead Canada, Mulroney seems more than lacking in that department himself. Yet more conservative hypocrisy.
http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/unauthorizedchapter/
Turns out Mulroney was full of **** when he claimed he barely knew Karlheinz Schreiber and that he never received any money from him. Mulroney did in fact receive $300,000 from the Airbus rep from the same account used to influence conservative insiders to buy Airbus craft for a large Air Canada purchase in the late 1980s.
Considering that Mulroney has received $2.1 million from Canadian tax-payers based on his sworn testimony now proved false and that there was a $20 million account under the control of Schreiber to influence the Mulroney government to buy Airbus products, which in fact did happen, it's time for a federal inquiry over the affair. Mulroney also needs to pay taxes on the $300,000 he failed to claim as income more than ten years ago, there should be some interesting penalties to pay.
For a man who had the nerve to claim Pierre Elliot Trudeau lacked the moral qualities to lead Canada, Mulroney seems more than lacking in that department himself. Yet more conservative hypocrisy.
http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/unauthorizedchapter/
Super Genius
Posts: 1,274
November 1st, 2007, 12:01 AM
So "Canada's BM" [Brian Mulroney] didn't pay taxes on the $300,000 he got in cash from Karlheinz Schreiber as grease money for the Air Bus sales to Air Canada.
Then BM committed PERJURY:
“I had never had any dealings with [Karlheinz Schrieber.]
And the BM got $2.1M in a lawsuit to cover his legal costs over that. For Lying!!
WOW!!!
What the heck are the RCMP doing?
- They just stopped the investigation, and dropped the ball during that lawsuit too. I wonder if the fact that Harper got elected helped kill the RCMP investigation, and protected him?
Calls for the judicial inquiry might get some action... if just one big player can get nailed then this "grease money" might stop flowing. It is a common thing, ya, but its an outrage.
So "Canada's BM" [Brian Mulroney] didn't pay taxes on the $300,000 he got in cash from Karlheinz Schreiber as grease money for the Air Bus sales to Air Canada.
Then BM committed PERJURY:
“I had never had any dealings with [Karlheinz Schrieber.]
And the BM got $2.1M in a lawsuit to cover his legal costs over that. For Lying!!
WOW!!!
What the heck are the RCMP doing?
- They just stopped the investigation, and dropped the ball during that lawsuit too. I wonder if the fact that Harper got elected helped kill the RCMP investigation, and protected him?
Calls for the judicial inquiry might get some action... if just one big player can get nailed then this "grease money" might stop flowing. It is a common thing, ya, but its an outrage.
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Posts: 684
Location: Canada
Location: Canada
November 3rd, 2007, 01:42 AM
Conservatives always know when NOT to keep a topic running. If this was story about Liberal deeds, there probably would be 4 pages on here by now. Why is Harper protecting Mulroney? Harper squealed every chance he could about cash filled envelops regarding the Liberals.
Am I surprised? No. It's just the typical hypocrisy I've come to expect. Just as I'm equally non-surprised by the reactions of Harper's supporters to Mulbaloney. The reaction of muteness.
Not to won't worry. I wasn't going to just Harper bash. I was actually thinking of pulling up my old rant page and giving a dig on Dion. I knew the Liberals wasted too much time figuring out who should lead. Meanwhile they gave the 'New Government Of Canada' too much time to consolidate and control the message.
I think Dion is a decent guy, but the situation calls for an aggressive opponent against Harper. Minus the air of arrogance and self-importance that Layton portrays. Layton begging for votes on the election debates still irks my memory of him. Moreover, pulling the plug on the prior government while in a good position to affect policy showed me he wasn't good either in strategic thinking. The best way they could have strengthened the NDP party was to have showed the public they were effective at doing something. Creating a new resume of accomplishment.
They had the government of the day in their pockets at the time with Martin. They were in a position to affect policy with actual compromise. Something they can't do with the Harper people. Harper compromises with nobody. But Layton pulled the plug anyway. His head was just too gigantic with ego to leave enough 'thinking room' for why one is in politics in the first place. The 'why' being to enact positive change in society. Not to simply hunger for votes. And now no NDP kind of daycare. Instead, much, much less with Harper.
Good strategy in politics is getting your vision accomplished, and then having a record to run on. Layton makes a lot of noise, but blew the opportunities by which he could have given his party a better record. That in my mind would have swayed voters and improved the NDP support base. Not the, "please vote for me, please" kind of talk that I heard on the debates.
Oh yeah, but about Dion...
Dion... where is that alpha dog persona that you should be projecting to voters? I think your a nice guy and all, but I don't think the average Canadian wants to read between the lines like me, and be able to not mistake your 'nice guy persona' for meekness.
Dion has been fiddling too long and soon it will be too late to figure out that he has to define himself in the minds of Canadians because Harper's attack ads WILL actually, after a time, ingrain themselves in the minds of general populous who give politics no more than an afterthought. Just like the way the separatists defined Dion in Quebec. "Dion!" they said, "Dion, we don't like you!" or "We don't know who you are!"
All probably a failing of both. A bigger picture perhaps of "We don't like you because we don't know to like you and were told to hate you."
Seriously, as for politics, most people only get motivated when tragedy hits home. You can have a person drink a small amount of poison each day and they can be happy for the next 20 years regardless, until their body starts for fall apart at which point it's 'bloody murder'!
And so Harper can put out a manual of 200 pages on how to screw our democratic process, and no big outcry from the public. Not while meek Dion holds back his alpha dog persona and lets the media, (who are also too scared to do anything) pretend to cover concerns. A media which will point something out and then stand well-the-hell back to see if anybody actually thinks such important issues really matter anyway. That's because if it's unflattering to the Conservatives, well, then it's just a "Liberal Media" right? Better not go too strongly with a story.
Think about it. We wouldn't have known about Mulroney if the guy wasn't so dumb as to not keep his BS mouth quiet and his history forgotten while the Harperites tried to sell him off as another Ronald Reagan of Canada. I mean, sworn testimony now proved false would mean he was lying, and if you are that crooked receiving dirty money under the table, well then just take the environmental award for acid rain, and then shut the hell up!
So while Harper would have made a Mulroney-like scandal on the Liberals his reason for living, and would have whined about as though no other issue mattered for the next couple of years, I'm sure Dion will fizzle at this opportunity which incorporates the ugly side of politics, and try to stand more for issues by which the average Canadian who doesn't think past their own personal bubble of life will have no attention level to really care. They will however watch the TV and the attack ads and think, hm... "that Dion is no leader".
But that is just how coma of our society works.
Conservatives always know when NOT to keep a topic running. If this was story about Liberal deeds, there probably would be 4 pages on here by now. Why is Harper protecting Mulroney? Harper squealed every chance he could about cash filled envelops regarding the Liberals.
Am I surprised? No. It's just the typical hypocrisy I've come to expect. Just as I'm equally non-surprised by the reactions of Harper's supporters to Mulbaloney. The reaction of muteness.
Not to won't worry. I wasn't going to just Harper bash. I was actually thinking of pulling up my old rant page and giving a dig on Dion. I knew the Liberals wasted too much time figuring out who should lead. Meanwhile they gave the 'New Government Of Canada' too much time to consolidate and control the message.
I think Dion is a decent guy, but the situation calls for an aggressive opponent against Harper. Minus the air of arrogance and self-importance that Layton portrays. Layton begging for votes on the election debates still irks my memory of him. Moreover, pulling the plug on the prior government while in a good position to affect policy showed me he wasn't good either in strategic thinking. The best way they could have strengthened the NDP party was to have showed the public they were effective at doing something. Creating a new resume of accomplishment.
They had the government of the day in their pockets at the time with Martin. They were in a position to affect policy with actual compromise. Something they can't do with the Harper people. Harper compromises with nobody. But Layton pulled the plug anyway. His head was just too gigantic with ego to leave enough 'thinking room' for why one is in politics in the first place. The 'why' being to enact positive change in society. Not to simply hunger for votes. And now no NDP kind of daycare. Instead, much, much less with Harper.
Good strategy in politics is getting your vision accomplished, and then having a record to run on. Layton makes a lot of noise, but blew the opportunities by which he could have given his party a better record. That in my mind would have swayed voters and improved the NDP support base. Not the, "please vote for me, please" kind of talk that I heard on the debates.
Oh yeah, but about Dion...
Dion... where is that alpha dog persona that you should be projecting to voters? I think your a nice guy and all, but I don't think the average Canadian wants to read between the lines like me, and be able to not mistake your 'nice guy persona' for meekness.
Dion has been fiddling too long and soon it will be too late to figure out that he has to define himself in the minds of Canadians because Harper's attack ads WILL actually, after a time, ingrain themselves in the minds of general populous who give politics no more than an afterthought. Just like the way the separatists defined Dion in Quebec. "Dion!" they said, "Dion, we don't like you!" or "We don't know who you are!"
All probably a failing of both. A bigger picture perhaps of "We don't like you because we don't know to like you and were told to hate you."
Seriously, as for politics, most people only get motivated when tragedy hits home. You can have a person drink a small amount of poison each day and they can be happy for the next 20 years regardless, until their body starts for fall apart at which point it's 'bloody murder'!
And so Harper can put out a manual of 200 pages on how to screw our democratic process, and no big outcry from the public. Not while meek Dion holds back his alpha dog persona and lets the media, (who are also too scared to do anything) pretend to cover concerns. A media which will point something out and then stand well-the-hell back to see if anybody actually thinks such important issues really matter anyway. That's because if it's unflattering to the Conservatives, well, then it's just a "Liberal Media" right? Better not go too strongly with a story.
Think about it. We wouldn't have known about Mulroney if the guy wasn't so dumb as to not keep his BS mouth quiet and his history forgotten while the Harperites tried to sell him off as another Ronald Reagan of Canada. I mean, sworn testimony now proved false would mean he was lying, and if you are that crooked receiving dirty money under the table, well then just take the environmental award for acid rain, and then shut the hell up!
So while Harper would have made a Mulroney-like scandal on the Liberals his reason for living, and would have whined about as though no other issue mattered for the next couple of years, I'm sure Dion will fizzle at this opportunity which incorporates the ugly side of politics, and try to stand more for issues by which the average Canadian who doesn't think past their own personal bubble of life will have no attention level to really care. They will however watch the TV and the attack ads and think, hm... "that Dion is no leader".
But that is just how coma of our society works.
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Posts: 241
Location: kelowna bc
Location: kelowna bc
November 3rd, 2007, 02:22 AM
There should be an inquirery into the whole affair and Brian should pay back every cent.
To suggest or state that all politicians are dishonest or untruthful is not correct, there are many who do not engage in that sort of thing. I once ran federally, and I was right up front and to the point, in fact when I was done even the press said at least I gave an answer you could understand and it was truthful as I knew the truth to be. Now my party was altogether happy and the opposition wasn't crazy about me either. Let me tell you. the general public gets very upset when you tell them the truth straight up. What the public wants to hear is you the politician re-affirming what the constituant wants the truth to be. In the long run I realized I was happy I didn't get elected
There should be an inquirery into the whole affair and Brian should pay back every cent.
To suggest or state that all politicians are dishonest or untruthful is not correct, there are many who do not engage in that sort of thing. I once ran federally, and I was right up front and to the point, in fact when I was done even the press said at least I gave an answer you could understand and it was truthful as I knew the truth to be. Now my party was altogether happy and the opposition wasn't crazy about me either. Let me tell you. the general public gets very upset when you tell them the truth straight up. What the public wants to hear is you the politician re-affirming what the constituant wants the truth to be. In the long run I realized I was happy I didn't get elected
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Posts: 5,230 
Location: Saint John, N.B.
Location: Saint John, N.B.
November 3rd, 2007, 11:51 AM
The Conservative Party of Canada is a NEW party........remember Reform? That was the group (including me) that split from the old PC party over Mulroney's leadership and policies.....it (more or less) consumed the old PC Party......Lyin' Brian's party NO LONGER EXISTS........
Brian is, was, and forever will be scum.
Quoting gerryh
Spare me.
He's a conservitard....that says it all.
The Conservative Party of Canada is a NEW party........remember Reform? That was the group (including me) that split from the old PC party over Mulroney's leadership and policies.....it (more or less) consumed the old PC Party......Lyin' Brian's party NO LONGER EXISTS........
Brian is, was, and forever will be scum.
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Posts: 5,230
Location: Saint John, N.B.
Location: Saint John, N.B.
November 3rd, 2007, 11:54 AM
True, Lyin' Brian has advised Harper on politics, he is, unfortunately, a skilled and successful politican.
And Harper hould distance himself from him.
But I don't see Harper defending him.........
Quoting elevennevele
How is Harper defending Mulroney?
Conservatives always know when NOT to keep a topic running. If this was story about Liberal deeds, there probably would be 4 pages on here by now. Why is Harper protecting Mulroney? Harper squealed every chance he could about cash filled envelops regarding the Liberals.
Am I surprised? No. It's just the typical hypocrisy I've come to expect. Just as I'm equally non-surprised by the reactions of Harper's supporters to Mulbaloney. The reaction of muteness.
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Am I surprised? No. It's just the typical hypocrisy I've come to expect. Just as I'm equally non-surprised by the reactions of Harper's supporters to Mulbaloney. The reaction of muteness.
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True, Lyin' Brian has advised Harper on politics, he is, unfortunately, a skilled and successful politican.
And Harper hould distance himself from him.
But I don't see Harper defending him.........
Time Out
Posts: 186
November 3rd, 2007, 11:58 AM
Quoting
renaming your product while keeping the same ingredients doesn't fool everyone. the new conservatives aren't new. they are the same as the old ones.
The Conservative Party of Canada is a NEW party........remember Reform? That was the group (including me) that split from the old PC party over Mulroney's leadership and policies.....it (more or less) consumed the old PC Party......Lyin' Brian's party NO LONGER EXISTS........
Grossly Underrated
Posts: 5,514
Location: In the bush somewhere near Sudbury
Location: In the bush somewhere near Sudbury
November 3rd, 2007, 11:58 AM
Harper kind of says "so what?" when he changes slippers and targets Chretien golf courses and gun control. I think the whole lot of crooked bas*ards should be investigated by someone other than their own. Even the Mounties have skeletons.
Woof!
Harper kind of says "so what?" when he changes slippers and targets Chretien golf courses and gun control. I think the whole lot of crooked bas*ards should be investigated by someone other than their own. Even the Mounties have skeletons.
Woof!
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Posts: 5,230
Location: Saint John, N.B.
Location: Saint John, N.B.
November 3rd, 2007, 12:00 PM
BIG difference....
Quoting flutterby
So, are they the same old PC Party, or are they the same old Reform Party?
renaming your product while keeping the same ingredients doesn't fool everyone. the new conservatives aren't new. they are the same as the old ones.
BIG difference....
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Location: Saint John, N.B.
Location: Saint John, N.B.
November 3rd, 2007, 12:19 PM
Take me, for instance. I voted PC exactly ONCE in my life......I never belonged to any party until the Reform Party, and I joined it very eary on.......
So, if Reform destroyed the PC Party (which it did), how can the CPC be the same, as it sprang from the old Reform Party? Two very different political views....
I would agree that the CPC is closer to the old PC Party than to Reform, much to my regret, but they are far from the same......and they sure as hell ain't led by that scum Brian.
Quoting flutterby
But that doesn't make sense......the PC Party did NOT include Reformers after 1988, and it certainly did not include all Reformers even before that.......
they are the same old PCs, which includes many reformers. maybe all the reformers.
Take me, for instance. I voted PC exactly ONCE in my life......I never belonged to any party until the Reform Party, and I joined it very eary on.......
So, if Reform destroyed the PC Party (which it did), how can the CPC be the same, as it sprang from the old Reform Party? Two very different political views....
I would agree that the CPC is closer to the old PC Party than to Reform, much to my regret, but they are far from the same......and they sure as hell ain't led by that scum Brian.
