Dion on way out?

goat

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Mar 8, 2007
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Sure hope he isn't.

He is required to maintain his tenuous postion in order to satisfy the people of Canada in their quest to have Harper elected with a majority.
 

Walter

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September 19, 2007
Going, going, gone

By LICIA CORBELLA
Stephane Dion and Stockwell Day have a lot more in common than their initials.
Both had remarkably short honeymoon periods following exciting leadership conventions that put them at the helm of their respective parties.
Both were very quickly recognized as terrible mistakes by party insiders and had knives out against their leadership (or lack thereof) within a year. And both, to varying degrees, deserved it.
Liberals were circling the wagons yesterday trying to quell any outward signs of division following the disastrous shutout results for the Liberals in the three federal byelections in Quebec on Monday.
But at least one Liberal insider admitted off the record that the divisions are there and are approaching the depth and breadth of the Grand Canyon -- much in the same way they appeared very suddenly and precipitously against Day following his disastrous performance in the November 2000 general election, craftily called by then Liberal PM Jean Chretien just weeks after Day won a seat in the House of Commons in a byelection.
The grumbling against Dion started shortly after he came to power, too. When asked by pollsters who would make the best PM, Dion's numbers usually hover around 15%. And now there is Monday night.
The stunning Liberal loss in the long-time Liberal stronghold of Outremont in Montreal to the NDP is the equivalent of the Conservatives losing a byelection in Calgary-Southeast. This is only the second time since 1935 that the Liberals have lost that riding and it wasn't even close.
NDP candidate, Thomas Mulcair, a popular former Quebec provincial Liberal cabinet minister, beat Liberal candidate Jocelyn Coulon by 20 percentage points.
Instead of running Justin Trudeau in that once believed "safe seat," which he likely would have won, Dion wanted to hand an electoral gift to his close friend, Coulon, another unexciting academic, just like Dion.
Handpicking his buddy is what Dion will be most questioned over behind closed doors with his increasingly mutinous caucus.
To add insult to his considerable injury, Dion personally visited the riding, where he went to school and lives next door to, seven times to help his hand-picked, clone-like friend.
Not choosing Trudeau is perceived by many Liberals as pure vindictiveness by Dion, owing to Trudeau's support of Gerard Kennedy in the leadership race. Others, however, say it's just another example of poor decision making.
And Dion makes bad policy and political decisions all the time. Indeed, giving a speech and holding a media scrum in Outremont following the loss shows that Dion either has no political sense, very bad advisers or both.
Mike Duffy of CTV said, it looked like Dion had been crying when he came out in front of the cameras. That's politically nuts.
The Conservative's decisive win in Roberval-Lac-St-Jean by Denis Lebel with a whopping 59.4% of the vote, beating out the Bloc candidate by almost 10,000 votes and more than 32% was made even more significant by the Liberals pulling in just 9.6% of the vote.
In St-Hyacinthe-Bagot, a riding in the dead centre of the Bloc Quebecois heartland, the Conservative candidate was less than 1,500 votes behind the Bloc winner, who won with 42% of the vote to the Tory's 37.5% of the vote. The Liberal candidate came in fourth with just 7.4% of the vote. In the last federal election in that riding, the Conservatives lost by more than 15,000 votes.
All of this indicates that a new political dynamic has been born in Canada -- one where the Tories are the new federalist option in Quebec.
Like Day, Dion's days as leader are numbered. Loyal Liberals will see to it.

 

Niflmir

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A voter turnout of 46.7% is not exactly indicative of public opinion, and that is registered voters which means only about 30% of the population showed up. Furthermore, byelections suffer from a sampling bias which complicate making statistical conclusions about the population at large and especially the voters that would turn up for a general election.

It is difficult to assess the level of stratification and its correlation to results due to the fact that data is not collected on this issue.

In any case one is not able to assume that the voters in a by-election represent a true random sample, and its statistical meaning is completely nebulous without information about the stratification.
 

Unforgiven

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The Liberal party is much like the Conservatives were and the reformers/ new rightwing aliance are now. Cut throat power mongers who care about the access holding that power gains them rather than being concerned with how the country is run or the people.

They run, we elect them. Who do you point the finger at?
 

Niflmir

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I don't even think we elect them.

The number of citizens who didn't vote outnumber the citizens who did and generally the number of people who voted for a different candidate outnumber the people who voted for the member of parliament. With that in mind, why would the MP's care about their constituents at all? If we consider how few people make a sizeable contribution to their campaign (which is slowly changing) we get even further reasons for MP apathy.
 

Walter

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September 27, 2007

Liberal rift widens as members criticize Dion and a top aide

By Isabelle Rodrigue, THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

OTTAWA - Stephane Dion and his palace guard were under attack on two fronts from Quebec members of his own Liberal party on Thursday.
Several MPs and senators demanded that the Liberal leader dismiss one of his closest aides over alleged remarks about Quebec.

Oh, Oh.
 

Kreskin

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Dion..Dion..hmmm. I seem to remember the guy. Faintly. Is he still in politics?
 

Locutus

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Dion..Dion..hmmm. I seem to remember the guy. Faintly. Is he still in politics?



Oh yeah, he's the type of guy that likes to roam around
He's never in one place, He roams from town to town
And when he find himself a-fallin' for some girl
He hops right into that car of his, drives around the world
'Cause he's a wanderer, yeah a wanderer
He roams around around around around around around........



Thengya, thengya veruh mushhh
 

YoungJoonKim

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OTTAWA - Stephane Dion and his palace guard were under attack on two fronts from Quebec members of his own Liberal party on Thursday.
Several MPs and senators demanded that the Liberal leader dismiss one of his closest aides over alleged remarks about Quebec.
lol, I find that funny.
 

wallyj

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I don't even think we elect them.

The number of citizens who didn't vote outnumber the citizens who did and generally the number of people who voted for a different candidate outnumber the people who voted for the member of parliament. With that in mind, why would the MP's care about their constituents at all? If we consider how few people make a sizeable contribution to their campaign (which is slowly changing) we get even further reasons for MP apathy.
So what is your point in your last 2 posts? Are you suggesting that with a higher turn-out the libs would have won in a cakewalk? That only libs stayed home and democracy does not work unless there is a 100% turn-out? Face it,people are tired of the liberal BS that has been going on for far too long.
 

Tonington

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It seems he was saying that a by-election where less than half of registered voters showed up does not make for a good indicator of voting trends. And that MP's have very little reason to feel accountable. That might explain their indifference.
 

Walter

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Marc Garneau says he wasn't part of Dion's vision

Updated Sun. Sep. 30 2007 1:32 PM ET
CTV.ca News Staff
Former astronaut Marc Garneau confirmed on Sunday that Liberal Leader Stephane Dion's ambivalence was one of the main reasons he announced his departure from politics earlier this week.
Widely considered as a star candidate in Quebec, Garneau said during an interview on CTV's Question Period that Dion's refusal to endorse two nomination bids -- one in Westmount-Ville Marie in May and the other in the riding of Outremont last January -- was a major decision for his political departure.
 

s_lone

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Keep in mind that the by-elections were in Quebec. where the Liberals are totally out of it right now. The sponsership scandal had a devastating impact on the Liberals in Quebec... much more devastating than in the rest of Canada...
 

jwmcq625

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Dion on his way out?

Most definitely! Besides who wants a PM who can't make up his mind whether he is Canadian or French. To me someone running for the job of PM should hold only one passport, Canadian. On top of that I think we have had quite enough of PM's from the Province of Quebec.