just special
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Location: not in Kansas anymore
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August 28th, 2007, 08:28 PM
Quoting BitWhys
I think calling you" old man bitters" is becoming more appropriate every time you post. I will find it hopefully,I have been wasting my time looking through the cbc reports. I have found an interesting report by the fraser institute on the scam that puts the missing monies at a much higher figure. Google "fraser institute gomery "to get the report. I will get back to you in a few days with either the facts or I will admit defeat. In the meantime maybe you can play with all the balls and frisbees that have landed in your yard and the kids are afraid to retrieve.
you already named your source. it might be a good idea to use it.
what green dots?
Posts: 3,157
August 30th, 2007, 10:14 AM
heh
they've got nothing.
Conservatives cut back applicants in lawsuit
DANIEL LEBLANC
From Thursday's Globe and Mail
August 30, 2007 at 3:50 AM EDT
heh
they've got nothing.
Conservatives cut back applicants in lawsuit
DANIEL LEBLANC
From Thursday's Globe and Mail
August 30, 2007 at 3:50 AM EDT
Quote:
"representative cases" = dragging it out and playing the victim
OTTAWA — The Conservative Party of Canada has removed almost all of the applicants from its lawsuit against Elections Canada as former candidates and official agents publicly disavow the advertising scheme at the heart of the legal battle.
Earlier this year, 34 Conservative supporters sued Elections Canada in a bid to get a reimbursement for advertising expenses during the 2005-06 election campaign.
But the Conservative Party whittled down the number of applicants this week to two individuals, Gerry Callaghan and David Pallet, who were, respectively, the official agents for candidates Robert Campbell and Dan Mailer.
A Conservative source said the two remaining applicants constitute "representative cases" that will be applied to the other campaigns once the matter is resolved by the courts. Still, one of the dropped applicants said she had been unaware of the lawsuit and did not want to participate in it.
...
Mr. Landry reached the 10-per-cent threshold, but he said he does not qualify for a reimbursement on the $26,000 because he has no proof the advertising was authorized by his official agent.
"Elections Canada does not have to reimburse a cent, because we don't have invoices, [emphasis mine]" Mr. Landry said.
...
Earlier this year, 34 Conservative supporters sued Elections Canada in a bid to get a reimbursement for advertising expenses during the 2005-06 election campaign.
But the Conservative Party whittled down the number of applicants this week to two individuals, Gerry Callaghan and David Pallet, who were, respectively, the official agents for candidates Robert Campbell and Dan Mailer.
A Conservative source said the two remaining applicants constitute "representative cases" that will be applied to the other campaigns once the matter is resolved by the courts. Still, one of the dropped applicants said she had been unaware of the lawsuit and did not want to participate in it.
...
Mr. Landry reached the 10-per-cent threshold, but he said he does not qualify for a reimbursement on the $26,000 because he has no proof the advertising was authorized by his official agent.
"Elections Canada does not have to reimburse a cent, because we don't have invoices, [emphasis mine]" Mr. Landry said.
...
what green dots?
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August 31st, 2007, 12:15 PM
heh. Quebec of all places.
Tories' shift in ad money paid off in Quebec
Glen McGregor and Tim Naumetz, CanWest News Service
Published: Wednesday, August 29, 2007
heh. Quebec of all places.
Tories' shift in ad money paid off in Quebec
Glen McGregor and Tim Naumetz, CanWest News Service
Published: Wednesday, August 29, 2007
Quote:
OTTAWA -- The Conservative Party launched a program to shift more than $1.2-million in advertising money to Tory candidates during the 2006 election after Stephen Harper delivered a key speech on federalism that became the major plank in the party's Quebec campaign.
A CanWest News Service review of election filings shows Conservative candidates in Quebec reported paying the federal party $527,000 for radio and TV ads beginning Jan. 3, 2006 -- two weeks after Harper promised "freer federalism" under a Conservative government in a crucial speech in Quebec City.
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At least two Conservatives told Elections Canada auditors they believed the expenses claimed by candidates were, in fact, "national" advertising. Two former Quebec candidates have since told CanWest News Service the ads were for the larger campaign and did not publicize their own campaigns.
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If the decision to disallow expenses from the $1.2-million in media buys stands, the Conservatives could be required to count that advertising in the national campaign budget. That would push the Tories over their $18.3-spending limit for the national campaign, in violation of the Elections Act. The Conservatives say they are in full compliance with the elections law.
The ads in question carried the tagline indicating they were authorized by the official agents of the local candidates, the party says, and candidates were invoiced via the party for the ads. Candidate financial returns filed with Elections Canada show the pattern of both advertising payments and transfers began immediately after New Year.
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Several Conservative MPs and former candidates either declined to comment, referred questions to the party, or did not return telephone calls.
Ottawa Citizen
A CanWest News Service review of election filings shows Conservative candidates in Quebec reported paying the federal party $527,000 for radio and TV ads beginning Jan. 3, 2006 -- two weeks after Harper promised "freer federalism" under a Conservative government in a crucial speech in Quebec City.
...
At least two Conservatives told Elections Canada auditors they believed the expenses claimed by candidates were, in fact, "national" advertising. Two former Quebec candidates have since told CanWest News Service the ads were for the larger campaign and did not publicize their own campaigns.
...
If the decision to disallow expenses from the $1.2-million in media buys stands, the Conservatives could be required to count that advertising in the national campaign budget. That would push the Tories over their $18.3-spending limit for the national campaign, in violation of the Elections Act. The Conservatives say they are in full compliance with the elections law.
The ads in question carried the tagline indicating they were authorized by the official agents of the local candidates, the party says, and candidates were invoiced via the party for the ads. Candidate financial returns filed with Elections Canada show the pattern of both advertising payments and transfers began immediately after New Year.
...
Several Conservative MPs and former candidates either declined to comment, referred questions to the party, or did not return telephone calls.
Ottawa Citizen
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August 31st, 2007, 01:45 PM
The allegations against The Honourable Bill Graham P.C., M.P. (Toronto Centre) are baseless, and there is no proof to suggest that Mr. Graham has done anything improper. In relation to the topic-at-hand, however—such being the unethical and scandalous behaviour of the Government of Canada—we have never witnessed such an unprecedented arrogant and rude attitude toward non-partisan organisations such as Elections Canada.
Why is the Government afraid to follow its own rules, and open up its own books?
Because there’s a scandal somewhere in there, the likes of which the Liberal Party of Canada (under the old guard) could never have envisioned. It’s high time the House of Commons threw the Conservative Party of Canada out of office, to give Canadians a chance to replace them with a proper and honest administration.
The allegations against The Honourable Bill Graham P.C., M.P. (Toronto Centre) are baseless, and there is no proof to suggest that Mr. Graham has done anything improper. In relation to the topic-at-hand, however—such being the unethical and scandalous behaviour of the Government of Canada—we have never witnessed such an unprecedented arrogant and rude attitude toward non-partisan organisations such as Elections Canada.
Why is the Government afraid to follow its own rules, and open up its own books?
Because there’s a scandal somewhere in there, the likes of which the Liberal Party of Canada (under the old guard) could never have envisioned. It’s high time the House of Commons threw the Conservative Party of Canada out of office, to give Canadians a chance to replace them with a proper and honest administration.
just special
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August 31st, 2007, 02:49 PM
Hello 5p,( the future speaker of the house) baseless, except for the little problem of the abused child speaking out. All during the gomery inquiry,scotty continually spoke about the need to let Gomery finish his work,surely you remember him saying that over a hundred times in the HofC. This problem will go to court and from what I have read of the matter,no rules were broken. The advertisements were properly tagged by the ridings involved.......... I like your signature,and I do admire Frank,but his comment says a lot about what is wrong with the liberal party,if it's american it is bad. How childish.
Hello 5p,( the future speaker of the house) baseless, except for the little problem of the abused child speaking out. All during the gomery inquiry,scotty continually spoke about the need to let Gomery finish his work,surely you remember him saying that over a hundred times in the HofC. This problem will go to court and from what I have read of the matter,no rules were broken. The advertisements were properly tagged by the ridings involved.......... I like your signature,and I do admire Frank,but his comment says a lot about what is wrong with the liberal party,if it's american it is bad. How childish.
just special
Posts: 1,226
Location: not in Kansas anymore
Location: not in Kansas anymore
August 31st, 2007, 03:00 PM
While I am here. I apologize Mr. Bitwhys for hurting your feeling. From this day on ,I will try to think of you as "granpa" from "The Real McCoys", folksy,down to earth,wise,loved by all , rather than a grumpy old man with a yard full of confiscated childrens toys. Hmmmmmm...., yup,gol darn it,I reckon that will work fine.
While I am here. I apologize Mr. Bitwhys for hurting your feeling. From this day on ,I will try to think of you as "granpa" from "The Real McCoys", folksy,down to earth,wise,loved by all , rather than a grumpy old man with a yard full of confiscated childrens toys. Hmmmmmm...., yup,gol darn it,I reckon that will work fine.
what green dots?
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August 31st, 2007, 03:30 PM
and piecemeal at that. must be starting with their best set of books.
Quoting wallyj
That's where you're wrong. If Elections Canada's decision stands the CPC will be seen as have exceeded spending limits. They haven't got the paperwork to prove otherwise. If they did this wouldn't be going to court.
...no rules were broken...
and piecemeal at that. must be starting with their best set of books.
just special
Posts: 1,226
Location: not in Kansas anymore
Location: not in Kansas anymore
August 31st, 2007, 05:02 PM
Quoting BitWhys
If it stands. And I haven't forgotten about the 40 mil. In fact I will continue to look for my own satisfaction. I have a very good feeling the info is out there,next time I have a few hours to kill I will go through Gomery part 1.I have gone through the forensic audit and the Fraser report,which brings up some interesting facts. I will be cross-referencing Dion's donations with the 500 or so people involved with Adscam. That may be very interesting.
That's where you're wrong. If Elections Canada's decision stands the CPC will be seen as have exceeded spending limits. They haven't got the paperwork to prove otherwise. If they did this wouldn't be going to court.
and piecemeal at that. must be starting with their best set of books.
and piecemeal at that. must be starting with their best set of books.
