what green dots?
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August 7th, 2007, 08:43 AM
The little fascist twerp continues to attempt to sow the seeds of discontent.
Canadian Press
August 6, 2007 at 11:53 PM EDT
No treasury board guarantees. If the farmers want a free market that's what they should get.
Dual market is a crock. If the farmers want a dual market, privatize it.
The little fascist twerp continues to attempt to sow the seeds of discontent.
Canadian Press
August 6, 2007 at 11:53 PM EDT
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If Harper had the interests of what he thinks is the majority of farmers in mind instead of relying on false populism for votes this COULD have been over already. All Harper had to do is bring the results of a PROPER plebiscite to parliament.
LLOYDMINSTER, SASK. — Farmers are “sick and tired” of efforts to block changes that would end the Canadian Wheat Board's monopoly on barley sales, Prime Minister Stephen Harper said Monday on a visit to the Prairies.
Mr. Harper told about 300 Conservative supporters in Lloydminster, which straddles the Alberta-Saskatchewan boundary, that he isn't giving up on making the change.
“Mark my words, this battle isn't over,” said Mr. Harper, prompting applause from most of the crowd.
“We may have to wait until next season, but we are going to get this market open whether the Wheat Board likes it or not.”
Last week, a judge quashed the government's attempt to end the monopoly, saying the federal cabinet didn't have the authority to make the change without the approval of Parliament.
Mr. Harper noted Monday that farmers have spoken — referring to a plebiscite in which the majority of producers voted for a dual-marketing option for barley.
"And farmers are going to eventually win this battle,” he said.
The Prime Minister still has not said how the issue will move forward or whether the government will appeal the ruling.
The Wheat Board message was part of an 18-minute-long campaign-style speech Mr. Harper delivered in a room where the tablecloths and centerpieces were decked out in Tory blue and white.
The speech covered a range of topics including agriculture, crime and the military.
Mr. Harper also took aim the Opposition and alluded to the feud between Ottawa and the provinces.
In opening his remarks, Mr. Harper said that for more than a decade “the Prairies had barely registered on the radar” of the previous government of Canada.
Liberals in the Senate, he argued, are currently holding up the passage of crimes bills, “defying common sense.”
But Mr. Harper also said that “despite the occasional squabbling or the occasional attacks we get between governments,” Canada has not been this united since its centennial 40 years ago.
The comment comes after the premiers of Newfoundland and Labrador, Nova Scotia and Saskatchewan all recently said they were ignored when the prime minister visited their provinces.
The premiers are angry with Mr. Harper over the revamped equalization formula in the March budget.
Mr. Harper told about 300 Conservative supporters in Lloydminster, which straddles the Alberta-Saskatchewan boundary, that he isn't giving up on making the change.
“Mark my words, this battle isn't over,” said Mr. Harper, prompting applause from most of the crowd.
“We may have to wait until next season, but we are going to get this market open whether the Wheat Board likes it or not.”
Last week, a judge quashed the government's attempt to end the monopoly, saying the federal cabinet didn't have the authority to make the change without the approval of Parliament.
Mr. Harper noted Monday that farmers have spoken — referring to a plebiscite in which the majority of producers voted for a dual-marketing option for barley.
"And farmers are going to eventually win this battle,” he said.
The Prime Minister still has not said how the issue will move forward or whether the government will appeal the ruling.
The Wheat Board message was part of an 18-minute-long campaign-style speech Mr. Harper delivered in a room where the tablecloths and centerpieces were decked out in Tory blue and white.
The speech covered a range of topics including agriculture, crime and the military.
Mr. Harper also took aim the Opposition and alluded to the feud between Ottawa and the provinces.
In opening his remarks, Mr. Harper said that for more than a decade “the Prairies had barely registered on the radar” of the previous government of Canada.
Liberals in the Senate, he argued, are currently holding up the passage of crimes bills, “defying common sense.”
But Mr. Harper also said that “despite the occasional squabbling or the occasional attacks we get between governments,” Canada has not been this united since its centennial 40 years ago.
The comment comes after the premiers of Newfoundland and Labrador, Nova Scotia and Saskatchewan all recently said they were ignored when the prime minister visited their provinces.
The premiers are angry with Mr. Harper over the revamped equalization formula in the March budget.
No treasury board guarantees. If the farmers want a free market that's what they should get.
Dual market is a crock. If the farmers want a dual market, privatize it.
Council Member
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August 7th, 2007, 08:54 AM
If the majority of farmers want to do away with the wheat board, then I'd say do so, but with that comes NO support for when the bottom falls out of the market.
Everyone wants the benfits of the good times, and to be protected for the bad times. Tough luck.
If the majority of farmers want to do away with the wheat board, then I'd say do so, but with that comes NO support for when the bottom falls out of the market.
Everyone wants the benfits of the good times, and to be protected for the bad times. Tough luck.
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August 7th, 2007, 08:57 AM
Heh heh heh 300 people gathered by the local riding association does not a plebiscite make.
Heh heh heh 300 people gathered by the local riding association does not a plebiscite make.
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August 7th, 2007, 09:56 AM
Quoting BitWhys
You know it's the hypocracy that bugs me most.
Harper won't float a decent plebiscite on this. He's well aware which way the vote will go if he puts the viable options on the table. After that he'd be reduced to malcontent demagogy, ie. the votes he has now or less.
what green dots?
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August 7th, 2007, 10:43 AM
of course
I'm still foolish enough to have faith in human nature.
Quoting Unforgiven
The only thing that bugs me is I can't hit the fast forward.
You know it's the hypocracy that bugs me most.
of course
I'm still foolish enough to have faith in human nature.
Clever Clogs
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August 16th, 2007, 02:44 AM
What's the point in having a Parliment if the PM is going to act like he's the ultimate authority in the country. I get the distinct impression that if Harper ever gets his majority, what little local representation we still have left will disappear. He'll be there to decide almost totally on his own what's right for all of us, no matter the consequences. It would be easier to take this arrogance if he wasn't so self-rightous about the Liberals doing essentially the same thing back in 2005. Remember having a Christmas election because it was SO important to get the Grits out of power. What ever happened to a more accountable, open, respectful government.
All Harper seems to bring is a very un-Canadian "my way or the highway" approach to government in the style of Bush and Cheney.
What's the point in having a Parliment if the PM is going to act like he's the ultimate authority in the country. I get the distinct impression that if Harper ever gets his majority, what little local representation we still have left will disappear. He'll be there to decide almost totally on his own what's right for all of us, no matter the consequences. It would be easier to take this arrogance if he wasn't so self-rightous about the Liberals doing essentially the same thing back in 2005. Remember having a Christmas election because it was SO important to get the Grits out of power. What ever happened to a more accountable, open, respectful government.
All Harper seems to bring is a very un-Canadian "my way or the highway" approach to government in the style of Bush and Cheney.
what green dots?
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August 31st, 2007, 01:49 PM
oh lookie.
two months ago...
oh lookie.
two months ago...
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but now the shoe is on the other foot...
Strahl said he's disappointed in the court challenge, adding all it does is create uncertainty in the market.
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Maybe the twisted irony of seeing their penchant for double standards being so blatantly employed is in itself worth the court costs but otherwise the stupid Fascists are wasting our money again.
Agriculture Minister Gerry Ritz said Thursday the government will appeal a federal court judge's ruling that the Conservative cabinet overstepped its authority in trying to end the monopoly.
just special
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August 31st, 2007, 02:42 PM
Well,hello Mr. Bitwhys,I suppose the fact that a vote was held and the farmers did vote for change is not valid because you disagree with the results. Liberal hypocrisy about democracy. Once again the conservatives will have to go to court to prove thier point because the libs want to keep thier plum patronage posts such as the wheat board and the senate alive.
Well,hello Mr. Bitwhys,I suppose the fact that a vote was held and the farmers did vote for change is not valid because you disagree with the results. Liberal hypocrisy about democracy. Once again the conservatives will have to go to court to prove thier point because the libs want to keep thier plum patronage posts such as the wheat board and the senate alive.
August 31st, 2007, 03:00 PM
And the majority of votes cast was for the option to sell where they choose, while maintaining the wheat board option.
The problem is that the Government choose to make changes to the regulations, without amendments to the Act which governs this particular issue, hence why the court ruled against the Government.
And the majority of votes cast was for the option to sell where they choose, while maintaining the wheat board option.
The problem is that the Government choose to make changes to the regulations, without amendments to the Act which governs this particular issue, hence why the court ruled against the Government.
just special
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August 31st, 2007, 03:16 PM
Quoting Tonington
Then it is a procedural problem which should be corrected when parliament resumes,unless the libs decide that western farmers should not have the same freedom as the rest of Canada.
And the majority of votes cast was for the option to sell where they choose, while maintaining the wheat board option.
The problem is that the Government choose to make changes to the regulations, without amendments to the Act which governs this particular issue, hence why the court ruled against the Government.
The problem is that the Government choose to make changes to the regulations, without amendments to the Act which governs this particular issue, hence why the court ruled against the Government.
Bright Spark
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August 31st, 2007, 03:46 PM
So in the mean time wheat hits almost record highs but the Canadian farmer can not take advantage of these prices because the wheat board will not allow them. Most all country elevators are not accepting wheat because there is no call for it from the wheat board.
So in the mean time wheat hits almost record highs but the Canadian farmer can not take advantage of these prices because the wheat board will not allow them. Most all country elevators are not accepting wheat because there is no call for it from the wheat board.
what green dots?
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August 31st, 2007, 04:02 PM
Get a proper vote on a proper plan (ie. WITHOUT retaining the Part III guarantees) and take it to Parliament. and good luck with that.
Quoting Albertabound
If you say so. Maybe if Strahl hadn't wasted two seasons trying to pull a fast one the cause wouldn't be sitting on square one again.
So in the mean time wheat hits almost record highs but the Canadian farmer can not take advantage of these prices because the wheat board will not allow them. Most all country elevators are not accepting wheat because there is no call for it from the wheat board.
Get a proper vote on a proper plan (ie. WITHOUT retaining the Part III guarantees) and take it to Parliament. and good luck with that.
August 31st, 2007, 04:38 PM
I don't know about Alberta, even though I worked there for the past 4 months, but my uncle in Saskatchewan had no problems. World wheat prices are up due to the crappy conditions globally this year. He won't have a bumper crop, but he said it was very good considering the crazy heat in July.
I don't know about Alberta, even though I worked there for the past 4 months, but my uncle in Saskatchewan had no problems. World wheat prices are up due to the crappy conditions globally this year. He won't have a bumper crop, but he said it was very good considering the crazy heat in July.
