Super Genius
Posts: 1,274 
July 28th, 2007, 01:02 PM
Have we allready given up our soveriegnty?
- when we allow US troops to provide security for the upcoming North America Union talks in August '07 in Montebello Quebec?
- a foreign army assumes jurisdiction on our land
- the Binational Planning Agreement begun in 2002 that saw Canada crawl on its belly and permit the USA military to enter our land whenever it deems necessary.
- from Chretien (Liberal) to Martin (Liberal) to Harper (Conservative), the Prime Ministers of our land have been committing treason behind closed doors.
Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper is scheduled to host the Quebec summit which Mexican President Felipe Calderon and US President George W. Bush also planning to attend.
The highest elected officials within the US, Canadian and Mexican governments are meeting together with advisory bodies staffed by senior private sector representatives yet the public are being forcibly denied any access to the event in addition to a pathetic blackout on behalf of the corporate media which still ridicules anyone who suggests the North American Union plan even exists.
K - On the "forcibly denied access" problem, it was the the Council of Canadians action group who were planning to hold a public forum the night before the confab to express their concerns about the meeting and the issues being discussed at this SPP meeting.
They were refused the right to simply rent a building six kilometres from Montebello.
How is that not an infringement on our free speach? That, and the fact that the major media is STILL telling the public that this group DOES NOT EXIST. Really!! If you ask about it, they will deny knowing the SPP and the North American Unoin talks are ongoing, and they will deny that this meeting is taking place. [SPP = Security and Prosperity Partnership]
If the media was not openly lying about the SPP, we might not have reason to fear it, but since it is real and it is denied so heartily, IT MUST BE BAD NEWS FOR US. It is obviously something we would resist, an affront to our soveriegnty, and possibly a perparation for an expansion of the "War on Terror" .
Demand openness and accountability!!
links:
Military To Crackdown On North American Union Protesters
http://tinyurl.com/2rvrc3
Cheney Laughs About North American Union Agenda Deception:
[video]
http://tinyurl.com/3chojr
Have we allready given up our soveriegnty?
- when we allow US troops to provide security for the upcoming North America Union talks in August '07 in Montebello Quebec?
- a foreign army assumes jurisdiction on our land
- the Binational Planning Agreement begun in 2002 that saw Canada crawl on its belly and permit the USA military to enter our land whenever it deems necessary.
- from Chretien (Liberal) to Martin (Liberal) to Harper (Conservative), the Prime Ministers of our land have been committing treason behind closed doors.
Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper is scheduled to host the Quebec summit which Mexican President Felipe Calderon and US President George W. Bush also planning to attend.
The highest elected officials within the US, Canadian and Mexican governments are meeting together with advisory bodies staffed by senior private sector representatives yet the public are being forcibly denied any access to the event in addition to a pathetic blackout on behalf of the corporate media which still ridicules anyone who suggests the North American Union plan even exists.
K - On the "forcibly denied access" problem, it was the the Council of Canadians action group who were planning to hold a public forum the night before the confab to express their concerns about the meeting and the issues being discussed at this SPP meeting.
They were refused the right to simply rent a building six kilometres from Montebello.
How is that not an infringement on our free speach? That, and the fact that the major media is STILL telling the public that this group DOES NOT EXIST. Really!! If you ask about it, they will deny knowing the SPP and the North American Unoin talks are ongoing, and they will deny that this meeting is taking place. [SPP = Security and Prosperity Partnership]
If the media was not openly lying about the SPP, we might not have reason to fear it, but since it is real and it is denied so heartily, IT MUST BE BAD NEWS FOR US. It is obviously something we would resist, an affront to our soveriegnty, and possibly a perparation for an expansion of the "War on Terror" .
Demand openness and accountability!!
links:
Military To Crackdown On North American Union Protesters
http://tinyurl.com/2rvrc3
Cheney Laughs About North American Union Agenda Deception:
[video]
http://tinyurl.com/3chojr
Metal King
Posts: 936
Location: Golden Horseshoe, Ontario
Location: Golden Horseshoe, Ontario
July 28th, 2007, 02:49 PM
Yeah, the whole thing stinks. Cheneys smirky shrug-off is perhaps the most striking part- I mean, there IS actual documentation of thiswhole deal out there, to deny it outright and suggest "nutbars" are somehow making it all up is insulting and frightening at the same time.
Now, what to do??
Yeah, the whole thing stinks. Cheneys smirky shrug-off is perhaps the most striking part- I mean, there IS actual documentation of thiswhole deal out there, to deny it outright and suggest "nutbars" are somehow making it all up is insulting and frightening at the same time.
Now, what to do??
Knows No Bounds
Posts: 3,154
July 28th, 2007, 02:58 PM
"from Chretien (Liberal) to Martin (Liberal) to Harper (Conservative), the Prime Ministers of our land have been committing treason behind closed doors."
That's the nut, isn't it? Why do Canadian politicians assume they have the right to circumvent public interest and implement policy that serves first their own private agendas?
"from Chretien (Liberal) to Martin (Liberal) to Harper (Conservative), the Prime Ministers of our land have been committing treason behind closed doors."
That's the nut, isn't it? Why do Canadian politicians assume they have the right to circumvent public interest and implement policy that serves first their own private agendas?
Super Genius
Posts: 1,274
July 28th, 2007, 05:35 PM
I love that it shows how it can really happen that important stuff can go on without anybody telling about it ["oh, surely someone on the inside would talk"] , and that there really is an almost total media control on whatever issues the big boys tell them.
The way Cheney talks shows that they think about people like sheep, and that they have very little resepct for our rights. We can change this attitude of theirs - we gave it to them by being too trusting of the political process - we might have to make some noise or something.
Quoting tamarin
Yes, it is "the nut". It also shows that the "left-right" divide has nothing to do with it, and it doesn't matter which party is in power- they are all in on it and we are all on the outside. "Us against Them" means the public VS the Big Power {military-industrial complex and banks and big money.
"from Chretien (Liberal) to Martin (Liberal) to Harper (Conservative), the Prime Ministers of our land have been committing treason behind closed doors."
That's the nut, isn't it? Why do Canadian politicians assume they have the right to circumvent public interest and implement policy that serves first their own private agendas?
That's the nut, isn't it? Why do Canadian politicians assume they have the right to circumvent public interest and implement policy that serves first their own private agendas?
I love that it shows how it can really happen that important stuff can go on without anybody telling about it ["oh, surely someone on the inside would talk"] , and that there really is an almost total media control on whatever issues the big boys tell them.
The way Cheney talks shows that they think about people like sheep, and that they have very little resepct for our rights. We can change this attitude of theirs - we gave it to them by being too trusting of the political process - we might have to make some noise or something.
Time Out
Posts: 214
Location: Vancouver Island
Location: Vancouver Island
July 30th, 2007, 01:40 PM
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ummmm... since when were the Liberals "left-wing". They are as rightwing conservative as Mulroney before them and Harper after them. They might mutter a few left-wing words.... but their actions show them to be firmly planted on the right side of the political spectrum! Stop believing their hollow words and look at their actions.
Yes, it is "the nut". It also shows that the "left-right" divide has nothing to do with it, and it doesn't matter which party is in power- they are all in on it and we are all on the outside.
Time Out
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Location: Honour our Fallen
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Location: Honour our Fallen
July 30th, 2007, 01:45 PM
Trudeau is the Father of our country and he is a Liberal hence Canada is a Liberal nation unto God.
We Are Liberal
get over it...Conservatives have never won an election ,the liberals have only lost a few....
And there is no conservative party in Canada anymore...it's just a bunch of red neck party poopers....pun intended....
Trudeau is the Father of our country and he is a Liberal hence Canada is a Liberal nation unto God.
We Are Liberal
get over it...Conservatives have never won an election ,the liberals have only lost a few....
And there is no conservative party in Canada anymore...it's just a bunch of red neck party poopers....pun intended....
Super Genius
Posts: 1,274
July 30th, 2007, 01:50 PM
I think that it is when we go from THINKING about whats wrong - which describes most of us who post at forums - to actually DOING something about the issues we are focused on, thats when we become revolutionairies.
I am sure many of us who oppose tyranny and war will one day have to stand up to our own government and the corporate powers that have kept us moving down this ugly and unsustainable path. Thats the point at which we become revolutionaries.
Or, if we did something to bring awareness of our government's secret deals with America, especially when the mainstream media is NOT telling us, that is also being a revolutionary. I am proud to serve the revolution!!
Quoting Pangloss
Good question.
At what point do patriotic citizens become revolutionaries?
Pangloss
Pangloss
I think that it is when we go from THINKING about whats wrong - which describes most of us who post at forums - to actually DOING something about the issues we are focused on, thats when we become revolutionairies.
I am sure many of us who oppose tyranny and war will one day have to stand up to our own government and the corporate powers that have kept us moving down this ugly and unsustainable path. Thats the point at which we become revolutionaries.
Or, if we did something to bring awareness of our government's secret deals with America, especially when the mainstream media is NOT telling us, that is also being a revolutionary. I am proud to serve the revolution!!
Metal King
Posts: 936
Location: Golden Horseshoe, Ontario
Location: Golden Horseshoe, Ontario
July 30th, 2007, 04:34 PM
Pangloss- that IS what I meant with my "what to do?" question
I have a feeling that some kind of action IS required of me, but I really don't know where to start- the way the "system" is set up, I can't see how working within or "with" it could ever bring much more than the hollow, phoney "satisfaction" that comes with such acts as ruining ballots, abstention from the electoral process etc.
I thought that "draggin ones feet" was maybe the way to go, but alas, it doesn't seem to do anything- with the ability of the media to marginalize ANY type of action that could be described as "radicalism", it truly does seem hopeless to me.
I am in NO WISE speaking of treason, by the way- is making a government truly acountable to the people of the goverened land "treasonous"?? If one were to follow the MSM, it most certainly IS the case, but somehow I can't make sense of such a notion
So I ask again, Karlin, Pangloss, WHAT do WE do, seriously??
Glad that it has already been pointed out that "party politics" is NOT the problem- if anything, the whole "party system" is an elaborate ruse at this point, dressing the pile of steaming turds up according to the flavour of the day/year/era, and trying to make it look like whatever we have now is somehow better than what we had "then" due to a diferent set of colours and suits and nametags
Okay, so again, what to do?? We know (some of the) facts, and know that they are being actively denied by the very folks who are in control of the situation- where do WE go from there??
Pangloss- that IS what I meant with my "what to do?" question
I have a feeling that some kind of action IS required of me, but I really don't know where to start- the way the "system" is set up, I can't see how working within or "with" it could ever bring much more than the hollow, phoney "satisfaction" that comes with such acts as ruining ballots, abstention from the electoral process etc.
I thought that "draggin ones feet" was maybe the way to go, but alas, it doesn't seem to do anything- with the ability of the media to marginalize ANY type of action that could be described as "radicalism", it truly does seem hopeless to me.
I am in NO WISE speaking of treason, by the way- is making a government truly acountable to the people of the goverened land "treasonous"?? If one were to follow the MSM, it most certainly IS the case, but somehow I can't make sense of such a notion
So I ask again, Karlin, Pangloss, WHAT do WE do, seriously??
Glad that it has already been pointed out that "party politics" is NOT the problem- if anything, the whole "party system" is an elaborate ruse at this point, dressing the pile of steaming turds up according to the flavour of the day/year/era, and trying to make it look like whatever we have now is somehow better than what we had "then" due to a diferent set of colours and suits and nametags
Okay, so again, what to do?? We know (some of the) facts, and know that they are being actively denied by the very folks who are in control of the situation- where do WE go from there??
Super Genius
Posts: 1,274
July 31st, 2007, 11:34 AM
It seems there are a lot of Canadians who feel an outrage at this kind of "media silence and government secrecy" tactic, and of course the SPP's agenda. Thats the first step - to become aware of the issues. This forum helps there. You are showing support, that helps [me] a lot.
Showing other people the facts is a big step, so I suppose printing out the details on your home printer and then leaving them lying around in public places is a start.
When we get enough people who are aware of this SPP issue, then we can start to form groups and hold public protests - it is easier to do that it might seem, just go stage a rally and if 5 people show up, you did something because 100 others would see you and hear you. Do it in front of government buildings I suppose. There are actually courses on holding civil disobedience protests.
Personally, I need to regain my health so I can go out and do that kind of thing. I am kind of housebound, and thats my excuse. But it is an excuse, I could be doing more. So maybe keeping oursevles in good shape and mentally alert is a start. Be ready to jump in at every opportunity where the issue can be raised.
Ok, I dunno - lets keep talking about it. Thats something. They really hope that without media coverage that we will all just forget about it. So, don't!!
It seems there are a lot of Canadians who feel an outrage at this kind of "media silence and government secrecy" tactic, and of course the SPP's agenda. Thats the first step - to become aware of the issues. This forum helps there. You are showing support, that helps [me] a lot.
Showing other people the facts is a big step, so I suppose printing out the details on your home printer and then leaving them lying around in public places is a start.
When we get enough people who are aware of this SPP issue, then we can start to form groups and hold public protests - it is easier to do that it might seem, just go stage a rally and if 5 people show up, you did something because 100 others would see you and hear you. Do it in front of government buildings I suppose. There are actually courses on holding civil disobedience protests.
Personally, I need to regain my health so I can go out and do that kind of thing. I am kind of housebound, and thats my excuse. But it is an excuse, I could be doing more. So maybe keeping oursevles in good shape and mentally alert is a start. Be ready to jump in at every opportunity where the issue can be raised.
Ok, I dunno - lets keep talking about it. Thats something. They really hope that without media coverage that we will all just forget about it. So, don't!!
Super Genius
Posts: 1,274
August 30th, 2007, 11:43 PM
Maybe a stronger "nation" is better to have than one well off province -
Maybe it would have been better for Canada as a whole to have had a National energy program that really stuck.
and what if the oil runs out, or if the world stops using it [global warming, alternate energy] and Alberta needs help someday - I am thinking that Canada will exist for a lot longer than 100 more years... eventually we will all be glad to be part of a larger whole, not a larger hole.
I am not trying to get you fighting here, I just wonder if there are other ways to look at it...
Quoting stusa
Really? Tell us your thoughts on that my friend... The west seems to have come out pretty well, with Ab being the wealthiest of all provinces.
Trudeau is the worst thing that ever happened to Canada Royaly screwed over the west
Maybe a stronger "nation" is better to have than one well off province -
Maybe it would have been better for Canada as a whole to have had a National energy program that really stuck.
and what if the oil runs out, or if the world stops using it [global warming, alternate energy] and Alberta needs help someday - I am thinking that Canada will exist for a lot longer than 100 more years... eventually we will all be glad to be part of a larger whole, not a larger hole.
I am not trying to get you fighting here, I just wonder if there are other ways to look at it...
Bright Spark
Posts: 377
August 31st, 2007, 01:45 AM
We voted our gov't in and now we are children of the state, so to speak, and they will, no doubt, go through with this plan. The Americans better realize that most all Canadians plan on remaining Canadian. I AM CANADIAN.
Think Free
http://www.thinkfree.ca/index.php?op...id=1&Itemid=32
More Canadians do need to know about this.
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If the boys of SPP have there way it won't. I can not believe the lack of mention of the SPP by the media. CBC at least mentioned it.
I am thinking that Canada will exist for a lot longer than 100 more years...
We voted our gov't in and now we are children of the state, so to speak, and they will, no doubt, go through with this plan. The Americans better realize that most all Canadians plan on remaining Canadian. I AM CANADIAN.
Think Free
http://www.thinkfree.ca/index.php?op...id=1&Itemid=32
More Canadians do need to know about this.
