The ineffective brainwashing of Canadian schoolkids


John Hunt
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Canadian children, like American children, gain most of their polititical exposure during their tender school years. However, Canadian children don't seem to pick up much of the politics they are formally taught.

For example, among high school seniors:
  • 68 % unable to name the governor general
  • 61 % unable to name the BNA act
  • 70 % had little or no idea what percentage of the Canadian population was French Canadian
Although the kids don't know how the system works (or who works in it) they do seem to foster good feelings toward the government as a whole.

American kids are nearly brainwashed into the political system. Historical figures like Lincoln and Washington are awarded nearly saintly status. National loyalty to the political system is instilled with constant exposure to the flag as a symbol of American good, and the forced recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance. Even children's programs on TV have a high political content.

While Americans may not know anything about any other country, they know their own. Canadians lack that. Let's get to brainwashing.
 
karrie
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Okay. So American school kids know more about politics. I have to ask... so what? Is their political system much better than ours? Are their votes more representative of their population? Is voter turnout higher? Simply knowing more doesn't mean it is well applied, or serves the country well in the end.
 
Kreskin
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Isn't that the truth. We Canadians know very little about Canadian history. Hardly anyone talks about the Great Canada-Mexico war.
 
John Hunt
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Okay. So American school kids know more about politics. I have to ask... so what? Is their political system much better than ours? Are their votes more representative of their population? Is voter turnout higher? Simply knowing more doesn't mean it is well applied, or serves the country well in the end.

Apathy and ignorance don't bode well for a democratic system that functions best with an informed citizenry.
 
karrie
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Quote: Originally Posted by John HuntView Post


Apathy and ignorance don't bode well for a democratic system that functions best with an informed citizenry.

No, they don't. But what a teenager has been able to memorize doesn't translate directly into what an adult knows. The US populace may know more about their politics during school, but their voting public is definitely apathetic. The last stats I heard put american voter turnout as hovering around the 50% mark, while Canada is closer to 65%. So, they've done a good job of brainwashing their students... does it help their system?
 
Tonington
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I'd say a lesson in civics is more useful than simply regurgitating who was the 15th prime Minister, or when the British North America Act was passed, or knowing approximately 1/5 Canadians speak French as their first language.

Want better voter turnout? Vote on-line with your SIN. Want more informed citizenry? Teach civics.

Brainwahing certainly isn't the answer.
 
smilingfish
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Actually I guess everybody all over the world(including Canadians) knows the history and everything of the US, and few people knows that of Canada. This is not about Brainwashing.

Or, yes it is brainwashing, but they don't just do it on kids, it's basically a worldwide brainwashing.
 
Pangloss
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Give it a rest.

Canuck kids know far more about our world and Canada's place in it than yanks know about the fiction they are taught in grade school.

We have a higher volunteer rate; higher per capita political party membership rate, higher literacy rate, higher voter turnout rate.

We win. End of argument.

Pangloss
 
Unforgiven
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Children and youth are warehoused to keep them from getting underfoot of the working populous until a time is reached when they to can be plugged into the work machine to produce their allotment of civilization.

We've for the most part, stopped teaching them what it is to be a human being.
 
#juan
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Quote: Originally Posted by John HuntView Post

Okay. So American school kids know more about politics. I have to ask... so what? Is their political system much better than ours? Are their votes more representative of their population? Is voter turnout higher? Simply knowing more doesn't mean it is well applied, or serves the country well in the end.

Apathy and ignorance don't bode well for a democratic system that functions best with an informed citizenry.

By the time American kids grow up less than half of them even bother to vote. If they are informed, which I doubt, they don't demonstrate it by casting a ballot. Admittedly Canadians aren't much better, but more of us actually get out and vote.
 
MikeyDB
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Quote: Originally Posted by UnforgivenView Post

Children and youth are warehoused to keep them from getting underfoot of the working populous until a time is reached when they to can be plugged into the work machine to produce their allotment of civilization.

We've for the most part, stopped teaching them what it is to be a human being.

I disagree. Well actually I agree with your closing statement but I belive that industry manufacturing, media and advertisers have an entirely different agenda. Our children are taught/conditioned to be consumers first and human bings second...(if at all)

But hey....

When political systems use bribery and lies to garner votes....it's all the same in the final analysis anyway....
 
#juan
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Quote: Originally Posted by PanglossView Post

Give it a rest.

Canuck kids know far more about our world and Canada's place in it than yanks know about the fiction they are taught in grade school.

We have a higher volunteer rate; higher per capita political party membership rate, higher literacy rate, higher voter turnout rate.

We win. End of argument.

Pangloss

Good post.
Well thought out and researched.
 
I think not
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Quote: Originally Posted by PanglossView Post

Give it a rest.

It would be great if Canadians with their massive inferioirty complex would give it a rest.

Quote: Originally Posted by PanglossView Post

Canuck kids know far more about our world and Canada's place in it than yanks know about the fiction they are taught in grade school.

And yet 95% of you have no clue who your Head of State is.

Quote: Originally Posted by PanglossView Post

We have a higher volunteer rate;

Stats or a mouthful of crap?

Quote: Originally Posted by PanglossView Post

higher per capita political party membership rate,

Stats?


Quote: Originally Posted by PanglossView Post

higher literacy rate,

Literacy rate is equal at 99%.

Quote: Originally Posted by PanglossView Post

higher voter turnout rate.

Another Canadian popular myth that can't be backed up if your life depended on it.
Canadians gauge their elections by registered electors.
The US gauges their elections by elligible voters.
There is a big a difference. You didn't do your homework.

Quote: Originally Posted by PanglossView Post

We win. End of argument.

Pangloss

Oh is that what all that broohaha was aboot?

Ok, you win.
 
thomaska
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Quote: Originally Posted by I think notView Post

It would be great if Canadians with their massive inferioirty complex would give it a rest.



And yet 95% of you have no clue who your Head of State is.



Stats or a mouthful of crap?



Stats?




Literacy rate is equal at 99%.



Another Canadian popular myth that can't be backed up if your life depended on it.
Canadians gauge their elections by registered electors.
The US gauges their elections by elligible voters.
There is a big a difference. You didn't do your homework.



Oh is that what all that broohaha was aboot?

Ok, you win.

Thank goodness that whole thing is over...I was losing sleep....

Lol..you said aboot....

You know they all make fun of us..sitting around in their bars making fun of us cuz we don't say, "Pittsbuuurrrrruuah" vice Pitts burg. Or is that only their betters, the British?
 
Unforgiven
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Oh what a treasure!

Quote: Originally Posted by I think notView Post

It would be great if Canadians with their massive inferioirty complex would give it a rest.



And yet 95% of you have no clue who your Head of State is.



Stats or a mouthful of crap?



Stats?




Literacy rate is equal at 99%.



Another Canadian popular myth that can't be backed up if your life depended on it.
Canadians gauge their elections by registered electors.
The US gauges their elections by elligible voters.
There is a big a difference. You didn't do your homework.



Oh is that what all that broohaha was aboot?

Ok, you win.

 
Curiosity
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Why do normal, intelligent, funloving adults turn into rotating robots when one of these stupid troll-like flamers comes up comparing Canada with another nation (most often the USA) ?

Another day in forae land.
 
John Hunt
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No, they don't. But what a teenager has been able to memorize doesn't translate directly into what an adult knows. The US populace may know more about their politics during school, but their voting public is definitely apathetic. The last stats I heard put american voter turnout as hovering around the 50% mark, while Canada is closer to 65%. So, they've done a good job of brainwashing their students... does it help their system?




Good point

As you point out, Americans know more about their system, but Canadians are more involved. Is it better that the less informed population is more involved in political processes?
Last edited by John Hunt; Jul 19th, 2007 at 08:40 PM..Reason: Needed original posting for context
 
iARTthere4iam
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I had zero interest in any politics until around the age of 23 or 24. We had lessons in school on Canadian politics that I thoroughly ignored as I ignored Greek and Roman history and I would have ignored US history and politics. Schools should be places where people are taught to learn and to develop their curiosity. Rote facts add nothing to a person's life.
 
karrie
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Quote: Originally Posted by John HuntView Post





Good point

As you point out, Americans know more about their system, but Canadians are more involved. Is it better that the less informed population is more involved in political processes?

How do you know that the voting populace is less informed of the issues at hand in the current election? Being able to quote facts of past presidents and such doesn't necessarioly hold any bearing on the issues at hand.

Where are the polls quantifying this?
 
china
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Unforgiven

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We've for the most part, stopped teaching them what it is to be a human being.

As if we were the experts .

I don't think it is so important to "teach children" as it is to awaken their intelligence - and also our own.

Last edited by china; Jul 20th, 2007 at 06:11 PM..
 
MikeyDB
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China

Namaste

Perhaps you aren't familiar with the many special dynamics at work in western society so you'd miss the point that the conditioning of our children has been riotously successful and we live in an age where the consumerist lives and the human being doesn't.

We teach our children that all is fair in love and war....Conrad Black isn't a thief and a liar, he's the product of the idea that whomever dies with the most toys wins....

We teach our children that we can discriminate against blacks against native Canadians against women and against the poor the elderly and the sick.

Despite the fact that America had its great "Civil War", racism is alive and well in America and Canada where we have a little more difficulty with our racism because those damn indians aren't as obviously part of the "correct" group we can marginalize and denigrate with impunity. We've gotten better at defining the targets of our hatred though...

We've taught children that a smiling cartoon clown at the "golden arches" is a viable and in fact better parent than our human parents. We've taught our children that eating beef and swilling soda pop is the hallmark of freedom and democracy ...so then we can alienate and ostracize the obese and the diseased after they've followed our encouragement.

We've learned that if we characterize the "wants" of our children as "needs"....if Johnny or Sally are to be fully "accepted" in their social circle and at school it's our "duty" to make sure they have a GameBoy or a Nintendo or five hundred channel television at home....

We've taught our children that "disposable" is the way to go.

We invite them to purchase a clock or a fan or a TV or anything else they really "ought" to own at the discounted price made available by off-shore sweatshops and conditioned them not to expect that whatever they will buy will last but fall apart break or be replaced by something newly manufactured to honor the principles of planned obsolescence....

We've conditioned our children that a woman has to be skinny so if that means sticking your fingers down your throat...that's the price you'll have to pay for popularity and "beauty"....

We've conditioned our children to believe that "success" comes not from an internal personal triumph of the spirit but through the objects you own and the wealth you can demonstrate.

We've taught our children that the earth and everything in it is a disposable commodity so they need not be concerned and can waste and consume without conscience.

We've taught our children that the wealthy and the powerful are more derserving of our respect and awe than anyone else, and we teach them to accept whatever the wealthy and powerful say as the absolute truth.
 
china
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MickeyDB
Dear Mickey,Observe ,and see that in our present civilization we have divided life into so many departments that education has very little meaning except in learning a particular technique or profession. Instead of awakening the intelligence of the student, education is encouraging him to conform to a pattern and so is hindering his comprehension of himself as a total process.Personally, I left school at a young age .It was a right move .
Last edited by china; Jul 20th, 2007 at 06:21 PM..
 
iARTthere4iam
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Mikey,

I believe you are mistaken on a number of points.

1)Alls fair in love an war- hardly, we must conduct wars with respect without hurting too many people, without hatred- see Afghanistan. Wars cannot be won in such a manner.Wars purpose is to make the other guy give up. Fighting with such restricted goals is dangerous and leads to longer bloodier wars.

2)we can discriminate against blacks against native Canadians against women and against the poor the elderly and the sick.- where have you been? we cannot discriminate against anyone. We have a black female foreign born Governor General, multiple MP's both male and female and of ethnic minorities, our laws apply to every canadian regardless of race, religion, financial status, or gender.

3)we have a little more difficulty with our racism because those damn indians aren't as obviously part of the "correct" group we can marginalize and denigrate with impunity- Oh come now. Indians are afforded all of the same rights as other Canadians. They are not segregated from Canadian society except where they choose to live on reserves apart from other Canadians.
 
MikeyDB
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Iart....

What we "think" isn't the same as reality my friend. The way we behave is reality. We may "think" that the notion that "alls fair in love and war" is the credo of the nihilism but in fact that's exactly the way we behave.

We freely elect to find reasons for embargoes both financial and military that serve the "needs" of our societies.... It's "acceptable" to invade a nation because our embargoes didn't work as swimmingly as we'd hoped....our embargoes didn't prevent the "enemy" from hoarding huge stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction...for example.

We think that all's fair in love so we have no qualms about lying both directly and through ommission about who we are what we think and what we believe.....

Racism exists and despite the fact that you think that the native Canadian isn't discriminated against, there are a few who'd argue that makeing agreements with the governing body of the nation is as binding on the nation as it is on the native...but this clearly isn't the way we behave.
 
MikeyDB
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It's certainly more comfortable to believe that we've erected a just and equitable system of laws and government than it's all fuzzy warm to acknowledge that our governments commit atrocities in our name and on our "behalf"....

I'm getting a good deal of grief around here for bringing the responsibility to the individual....

No one likes to admit that they do what they know at some level is "wrong" but celebrate the great deal they got at WalMart.....

No one likes to admit that responsibility for how our nations and our governments work is a reflection of the choices we make as individuals.

People don't like to be held accountable for their own actions. It's far easier to identify "national necessity" and "broader interests" than it is to own the impetus behind our nations actions.

This is exactly what we teach our children.....

"It's not my parenting skills and my committment to the well-being of my children and my family that are to blame...or where the responsibility lies for trouble....its genetic....or its a disability or its ADD or its ADHD or its too much lead in the water or its the influence of television or its this or that...

Personal responsibility suggests rather that a great injustice is leveled at the rest of humanity becuase an elderly person gets a break on the price of a movie ticket.....

If we allow lattitude in holding our governments and our businesses accountable because they are after all rich and smart.... it's entirely reasonable that only the wealthy have a shot at university it's only common sense that there should be a two tier justice system.....
 
iARTthere4iam
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I don't know where you went to school that tried to teach you the "alls fair in love and war" or that you should discriminate agains blacks or nativies or the elderly or the poor. I certainly wasn't told any of these things, and if I was I would have told my teachers their beliefs were absurd ( just as I told them their catholic teaching were madness). I went to school with Canadian-born children, and others from Poland, Portugul, Ethiopia, natives from reserves etc. I was never told to discriminate, never told "them" were worse than "us". In fact the one moral lesson that stuck with me from my catholic education was "do unto others as you would have them do unto you". As far as religious goes that is all I have.
 

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