Bright Spark
Posts: 428 
May 27th, 2007, 10:16 PM
Forthwith, the BC NDP should pledge to dump the monthly medical premium residents have to pay. This is a tax on the poor and middle class that should be eliminated. The BC NDP are cowards for not ending it when they had the chance when were in power.
You see, it is an example of how the current BC NDP mainly support union working people, not ordinary, non-unionized working people. It really is a no-brainer and would get wide public support.
Forthwith, the BC NDP should pledge to dump the monthly medical premium residents have to pay. This is a tax on the poor and middle class that should be eliminated. The BC NDP are cowards for not ending it when they had the chance when were in power.
You see, it is an example of how the current BC NDP mainly support union working people, not ordinary, non-unionized working people. It really is a no-brainer and would get wide public support.
Bright Spark
Posts: 258
May 27th, 2007, 10:36 PM
The only people that should not be paying provincial health premiums are the unemployed.
The rest should be paying the premium and it should be on a sliding scale where the people that get paid less should pay the least.
I like it how people are saying that it is a tax. Even John Tory A Progressive Conservative member that is the leader of that party says he will get rid of the premium.
Sure he will and he will get rid of public health care too and what will the people say then, will it be a big tax?
In Ontario everyone paid a premium on OHIP until the NDP got elected.
If anything we as tax payers should demand the federal government to reimburse us for that premium as a tax deduction.
The only people that should not be paying provincial health premiums are the unemployed.
The rest should be paying the premium and it should be on a sliding scale where the people that get paid less should pay the least.
I like it how people are saying that it is a tax. Even John Tory A Progressive Conservative member that is the leader of that party says he will get rid of the premium.
Sure he will and he will get rid of public health care too and what will the people say then, will it be a big tax?
In Ontario everyone paid a premium on OHIP until the NDP got elected.
If anything we as tax payers should demand the federal government to reimburse us for that premium as a tax deduction.
Member
Posts: 149
Location: Alberta
Location: Alberta
May 28th, 2007, 12:12 AM
The Provinces that have no Premiums also have a higher Tax rate (to compensate for the lost revenue on Premiums perchance?) If you have any Tax program (QuickTax for instance) change the Province where it asks for your Province at Dec 31st. Manitoba pays the highest, followed closely by Newfoundland. and then Ontario.
Those that can have to pay some of the costs for use of the system, or pay more Taxes.
N-eed D-umbies to Pay think everyone should be poor except themselves and their friends.
Quoting Liberalman
The only people that should not be paying provincial health premiums are the unemployed.
The rest should be paying the premium and it should be on a sliding scale where the people that get paid less should pay the least.
I like it how people are saying that it is a tax. Even John Tory A Progressive Conservative member that is the leader of that party says he will get rid of the premium.
Sure he will and he will get rid of public health care too and what will the people say then, will it be a big tax?
In Ontario everyone paid a premium on OHIP until the NDP got elected.
If anything we as tax payers should demand the federal government to reimburse us for that premium as a tax deduction.
Every Province that has a Premium also has a system of a sliding scale where by Low Income earners pay less for their Health coverage. The only people that should not be paying provincial health premiums are the unemployed.
The rest should be paying the premium and it should be on a sliding scale where the people that get paid less should pay the least.
I like it how people are saying that it is a tax. Even John Tory A Progressive Conservative member that is the leader of that party says he will get rid of the premium.
Sure he will and he will get rid of public health care too and what will the people say then, will it be a big tax?
In Ontario everyone paid a premium on OHIP until the NDP got elected.
If anything we as tax payers should demand the federal government to reimburse us for that premium as a tax deduction.
The Provinces that have no Premiums also have a higher Tax rate (to compensate for the lost revenue on Premiums perchance?) If you have any Tax program (QuickTax for instance) change the Province where it asks for your Province at Dec 31st. Manitoba pays the highest, followed closely by Newfoundland. and then Ontario.
Those that can have to pay some of the costs for use of the system, or pay more Taxes.
N-eed D-umbies to Pay think everyone should be poor except themselves and their friends.
Member
Posts: 240
Location: kelowna bc
Location: kelowna bc
June 30th, 2007, 11:37 PM
I have been a New Democrat for years, at least I was until the Uggal campain, that still leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. I was once a candidate and went through the whole election ordeal and I tell ya its not as easy as you think.
Liberalman is right, everyone should pay something as a contribution to society even if that contribution is only token amounts in tough times.
Eliminating the fee of some kind would lend the system to abuse, to needless use of the system and would cost one hell of a pile of money that could be used for education or infastructure.
As for so many people hounding politicians and saying they will say anything, that is not always true, and there are many good people in politics in all parties actually.
Why don't they just tell you like it is? Oh believe me you don't want that, I tried it, if you asked me a question I answered it. There were a lot of angry people at times, who didn't like hearing the truth.
I talked about government striving to be effective. My message be financially conservative and socially progressive. When you tell people we can't afford to impliment their pet project they get angry real quick.
Before the election was over I had people from all parties upset. Conservatives thought I was too liberal, New Democrats thought I was too conservative and I thought I was honest and for me thats what counted
I have been a New Democrat for years, at least I was until the Uggal campain, that still leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. I was once a candidate and went through the whole election ordeal and I tell ya its not as easy as you think.
Liberalman is right, everyone should pay something as a contribution to society even if that contribution is only token amounts in tough times.
Eliminating the fee of some kind would lend the system to abuse, to needless use of the system and would cost one hell of a pile of money that could be used for education or infastructure.
As for so many people hounding politicians and saying they will say anything, that is not always true, and there are many good people in politics in all parties actually.
Why don't they just tell you like it is? Oh believe me you don't want that, I tried it, if you asked me a question I answered it. There were a lot of angry people at times, who didn't like hearing the truth.
I talked about government striving to be effective. My message be financially conservative and socially progressive. When you tell people we can't afford to impliment their pet project they get angry real quick.
Before the election was over I had people from all parties upset. Conservatives thought I was too liberal, New Democrats thought I was too conservative and I thought I was honest and for me thats what counted
June 30th, 2007, 11:59 PM
Quoting damngrumpy
That means you were perfect for the job.
I have been a New Democrat for years, at least I was until the Uggal campain, that still leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. I was once a candidate and went through the whole election ordeal and I tell ya its not as easy as you think.
Liberalman is right, everyone should pay something as a contribution to society even if that contribution is only token amounts in tough times.
Eliminating the fee of some kind would lend the system to abuse, to needless use of the system and would cost one hell of a pile of money that could be used for education or infastructure.
As for so many people hounding politicians and saying they will say anything, that is not always true, and there are many good people in politics in all parties actually.
Why don't they just tell you like it is? Oh believe me you don't want that, I tried it, if you asked me a question I answered it. There were a lot of angry people at times, who didn't like hearing the truth.
I talked about government striving to be effective. My message be financially conservative and socially progressive. When you tell people we can't afford to impliment their pet project they get angry real quick.
Before the election was over I had people from all parties upset. Conservatives thought I was too liberal, New Democrats thought I was too conservative and I thought I was honest and for me thats what counted
Liberalman is right, everyone should pay something as a contribution to society even if that contribution is only token amounts in tough times.
Eliminating the fee of some kind would lend the system to abuse, to needless use of the system and would cost one hell of a pile of money that could be used for education or infastructure.
As for so many people hounding politicians and saying they will say anything, that is not always true, and there are many good people in politics in all parties actually.
Why don't they just tell you like it is? Oh believe me you don't want that, I tried it, if you asked me a question I answered it. There were a lot of angry people at times, who didn't like hearing the truth.
I talked about government striving to be effective. My message be financially conservative and socially progressive. When you tell people we can't afford to impliment their pet project they get angry real quick.
Before the election was over I had people from all parties upset. Conservatives thought I was too liberal, New Democrats thought I was too conservative and I thought I was honest and for me thats what counted
Bright Spark
Posts: 428
July 23rd, 2007, 09:37 PM
What's in it for me to vote for the NDP? Cultural diversity? Rah rah multiculturalism? Hardly.
Ending medical premiums and creating a dental plan would give me greater financial/medical security. Not to mention complete portability of medical services across the country.
What's in it for me to vote for the NDP? Cultural diversity? Rah rah multiculturalism? Hardly.
Ending medical premiums and creating a dental plan would give me greater financial/medical security. Not to mention complete portability of medical services across the country.
Steven Hawking's Tutor
Posts: 4,995 
Location: Florida, Hurricane Central
Location: Florida, Hurricane Central
July 23rd, 2007, 10:17 PM
Quoting dumpthemonarchy
Then why didn't that boob Glen Clark get rid of it when he had the chance?
Forthwith, the BC NDP should pledge to dump the monthly medical premium residents have to pay. This is a tax on the poor and middle class that should be eliminated. The BC NDP are cowards for not ending it when they had the chance when were in power.
You see, it is an example of how the current BC NDP mainly support union working people, not ordinary, non-unionized working people. It really is a no-brainer and would get wide public support.
You see, it is an example of how the current BC NDP mainly support union working people, not ordinary, non-unionized working people. It really is a no-brainer and would get wide public support.
Knows No Bounds
Posts: 3,154
July 23rd, 2007, 10:22 PM
Well, services have to be paid for. In a country that encourages longevity like Canada does the burden of sustaining an ever increasing population of seniors never lightens. I am surprised we're able to carry on with the little we're taxed now for health care. It is enormously expensive and this is early on in the retiring of the boomer bulge. I'd just like to see services in Ontario expand enough to provide family doctors throughout the province. In most jurisdictions they're a luxury. This in a country that trumpets the benefits of public health care.
Well, services have to be paid for. In a country that encourages longevity like Canada does the burden of sustaining an ever increasing population of seniors never lightens. I am surprised we're able to carry on with the little we're taxed now for health care. It is enormously expensive and this is early on in the retiring of the boomer bulge. I'd just like to see services in Ontario expand enough to provide family doctors throughout the province. In most jurisdictions they're a luxury. This in a country that trumpets the benefits of public health care.
Knows No Bounds
Posts: 2,733
Location: Vancouver Island
Location: Vancouver Island
July 24th, 2007, 02:26 AM
I am satisfied the way we do it now. I do not want the medicare to be hidden in taxes. We pay a
specific amount, up front, for our medical coverage, and I want it to stay that way.
It is ridiculous to suggest that we don't pay at all. If we want good medical coverage, we should be
willing to pay for it.
It will never be free, and shouldn't be, it's a huge expense.
I am satisfied the way we do it now. I do not want the medicare to be hidden in taxes. We pay a
specific amount, up front, for our medical coverage, and I want it to stay that way.
It is ridiculous to suggest that we don't pay at all. If we want good medical coverage, we should be
willing to pay for it.
It will never be free, and shouldn't be, it's a huge expense.
A modern nomad
Posts: 1,118
Location: Berlin, Germany
Location: Berlin, Germany
July 24th, 2007, 07:23 AM
Quoting talloola
What's the current word on the per capita cost of the Canadian public health care system vs. the private health care of the United States? Last data I saw made us out to be three times as efficient, but that was a while back.
I am satisfied the way we do it now. I do not want the medicare to be hidden in taxes. We pay a
specific amount, up front, for our medical coverage, and I want it to stay that way.
It is ridiculous to suggest that we don't pay at all. If we want good medical coverage, we should be
willing to pay for it.
It will never be free, and shouldn't be, it's a huge expense.
specific amount, up front, for our medical coverage, and I want it to stay that way.
It is ridiculous to suggest that we don't pay at all. If we want good medical coverage, we should be
willing to pay for it.
It will never be free, and shouldn't be, it's a huge expense.
Chief Mogrifier
Posts: 8,889
July 24th, 2007, 08:23 AM
Health care is the largest item our taxes pay for. We pay a premium of something like a $150 per month for Extended Medical and dental coverage. As long as nurses are short staffed and overworked we shouldn't be taking any money out of the system.
Health care is the largest item our taxes pay for. We pay a premium of something like a $150 per month for Extended Medical and dental coverage. As long as nurses are short staffed and overworked we shouldn't be taking any money out of the system.
Knows No Bounds
Posts: 2,733
Location: Vancouver Island
Location: Vancouver Island
July 24th, 2007, 02:53 PM
I don't know the stats, maybe someone else does, but there is far too much suffering in the U.S.
of people who can't pay, and don't have any other route to go, and the cost there for procedures
are staggering, as they are here, but they are absorbed within our health care costs, not by us
personally.
And, if some Canadians can go elsewhere and pay a high cost for a private procedure, go ahead,
that should be their perogative, and it takes some of the numbers off the waiting list and the
cost, as long as it doesn't damage our system as it is now.
Quoting Niflmir
What's the current word on the per capita cost of the Canadian public health care system vs. the private health care of the United States? Last data I saw made us out to be three times as efficient, but that was a while back.
I don't know the stats, maybe someone else does, but there is far too much suffering in the U.S.
of people who can't pay, and don't have any other route to go, and the cost there for procedures
are staggering, as they are here, but they are absorbed within our health care costs, not by us
personally.
And, if some Canadians can go elsewhere and pay a high cost for a private procedure, go ahead,
that should be their perogative, and it takes some of the numbers off the waiting list and the
cost, as long as it doesn't damage our system as it is now.
Bright Spark
Posts: 428
July 31st, 2007, 09:12 PM
Talloola- hidden in taxes? Canada is an democracy and expenditures are open for all to see.
The US is run by too many Type A, selfish, overly focussed, ignorant, mean people who think getting a bigger bank account is all that counts. Warren Buffet, the gazillionaire, pays only 17% tax. His secretary pays 34% tax. A model for the world? I think not.
Medical premiums need to be dumped by the BC gov't. Next provincial election if the NDP does not put this in their platform, I will not vote for them.
Talloola- hidden in taxes? Canada is an democracy and expenditures are open for all to see.
The US is run by too many Type A, selfish, overly focussed, ignorant, mean people who think getting a bigger bank account is all that counts. Warren Buffet, the gazillionaire, pays only 17% tax. His secretary pays 34% tax. A model for the world? I think not.
Medical premiums need to be dumped by the BC gov't. Next provincial election if the NDP does not put this in their platform, I will not vote for them.
Mighty Intellect
Posts: 1,506
Location: Kamloops BC
Location: Kamloops BC
August 14th, 2007, 11:50 PM
ah fer Krysakes - yes, let's stop asking people to pay for ANYTHING! Hell, just rely on Big Brother to give you every slurp of the formula-bottle that you need.
"Warren Buffet, the gazillionaire, pays only 17% tax. His secretary pays 34% tax." Source?
"Next provincial election if the NDP does not put this in their platform, I will not vote for them."
Your perogative.... last time I looked, this was still a democratically elected system - so DON'T vote for them.
Works for me....
ah fer Krysakes - yes, let's stop asking people to pay for ANYTHING! Hell, just rely on Big Brother to give you every slurp of the formula-bottle that you need.
"Warren Buffet, the gazillionaire, pays only 17% tax. His secretary pays 34% tax." Source?
"Next provincial election if the NDP does not put this in their platform, I will not vote for them."
Your perogative.... last time I looked, this was still a democratically elected system - so DON'T vote for them.
Works for me....
Good ta see oldtimer 
what green dots?
Posts: 3,157
August 15th, 2007, 01:22 AM
Quoting Niflmir
Both countries pay roughly the same percentage of GDP on public health services.
What's the current word on the per capita cost of the Canadian public health care system vs. the private health care of the United States? Last data I saw made us out to be three times as efficient, but that was a while back.
A Mad Mulligan
Posts: 2,772
Videos: 3
Location: The Moonsine Cafe
Videos: 3
Location: The Moonsine Cafe
August 15th, 2007, 07:00 AM
Quoting Ten Packs
I'm up for supplying my own police force, and pharmacy. I think I can probably also act in the capasity of my own liquor control board as well.
ah fer Krysakes - yes, let's stop asking people to pay for ANYTHING! Hell, just rely on Big Brother to give you every slurp of the formula-bottle that you need.
"Warren Buffet, the gazillionaire, pays only 17% tax. His secretary pays 34% tax." Source?
"Next provincial election if the NDP does not put this in their platform, I will not vote for them."
Your perogative.... last time I looked, this was still a democratically elected system - so DON'T vote for them.
Works for me....
"Warren Buffet, the gazillionaire, pays only 17% tax. His secretary pays 34% tax." Source?
"Next provincial election if the NDP does not put this in their platform, I will not vote for them."
Your perogative.... last time I looked, this was still a democratically elected system - so DON'T vote for them.
Works for me....
