Harper faces rising caucus discontent

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by Romeo St. Martin

OTTAWA — Prime Minister Stephen Harper spent his first months in power with a certain swagger, but a surging Liberal party coupled with dissent from within are threatening the PM's hold on power and will change the dynamics in Parliament.

The Liberals left their weekend leadership convention more united than in recent memory and in an upbeat mood. And if that was not enough the party's chief financial officer told delegates last Friday that the party was in the black and was financially ready to fight an election.

In addition, having moved ahead of the Tories in the polls without a leader last month, the election of Stephane Dion and the bounce from the five-day Liberal infomercial has put the Liberals in front of the Tories.

A Decima poll has the Grits at 35, four points ahead of the Tories. A Strategic Counsel poll had the Liberals at 37, six points ahead of the Tories. And in Quebec, the Liberals under Dion are polling at 35 per cent, compared to 17 per cent for the Tories.

Harper has spent much of his time as prime minister trying to position the Tories to win a majority in the next election, primarily by picking up more Mulroney-era seats in Quebec.

Right now that plan is looking more and more like a fantasy than a real strategy. But then again, so did the Tories winning 10 seats in Quebec at the outset of the last federal election.

The Tory failure to move up in the polls this fall and Dion's strong early polling results are the first two steps in a potential problem for Harper's leader-oriented government.

Most of the Conservative caucus have been willing to go along or put up with Harper's PMO control of communications and policy because it has the intended goal of delivering the Conservatives their first majority government in a generation.

But if the Tory slide in support continues, more and more MPs may be less concerned about Harper winning a majority and more concerned about saving their own seats, especially as an election approaches.

And already private grumbling about Harper's style has become more and more public in recent weeks. The fortress around what goes on behind the scenes is slowly being penetrated with non-flattering leaks from inside.

PoliticsWatch has learned that regional caucus meetings have become weekly venting sessions for MPs and even cabinet ministers frustrated at the centralized control of Harper's PMO.

One cabinet minister has complained to his colleagues about a two-week delay he faced in delivering a straightforward, positive speech because he had to wait for PMO approval.
Discussion at Alberta caucus is said to be dominated in recent weeks with complaints about the government's income-trust flip-flop.
MPs are more reluctant to voice complaints at national caucus in front of the prime minister. That could be due to past heavy-handed tactics from Harper.

According to sources, when the government announced $1 billion in spending cuts in September, caucus learned about it after the cuts had been made. Harper then told MPs that specific MPs would be designated to speak about the cuts and any MP that publicly voiced criticism about cuts affecting their riding would do so at their own peril.

There is also a general sense from MPs that unelected party officials are exerting too much influence and are disrespecting caucus and elected officials.

This is in addition to other recent leaks from the inside to the media.

On November 17, a communication director for a Tory cabinet minister told the Globe and Mail about a plan by Harper's communication director, Sandra Buckler, to have ministerial communications directors provide private assessments of their ministers. The move is said to have created friction between the PMO and some ministers.

That same day, National Post columnist John Ivison reported that Tory "insiders say that doubts over the communications strategy have been raised at caucus and Cabinet. A number of caucus members spoke of their frustrations yesterday, an indication MPs are losing the fear of speaking out that has been their hallmark since coming to power."

Last week, Tory MP Michael Chong, who had just resigned as Harper's intergovernmental affairs minister, told reporters that Harper did not consult with him on a motion to recognize the Quebecois as a nation. This was after it was revealed that former Liberal intergovernmental affairs minister Stephane Dion had received a call from the PM to discuss the motion before Harper told his caucus.

Chong's revelation seemed to confirm suspicions about cabinet ministers having very little say in government policy and strategy.

However, this week the leaks coming from Tory insiders reached a new high.

On Thursday, the Canadian Press based a story on details from two government sources of a cabinet debate that painted the PM in an unflattering light.

The story suggested that for months three of Harper's top ministers -- Public Security Minister Stockwell Day, Justice Minister Vic Toews and Foreign Affairs Minister Peter MacKay -- have been pressing Harper to fire RCMP Commissioner Giuliani Zaccardelli to no avail.

One insider gave CP a rare account of an exchange between Harper and Day at a recent cabinet meeting where Day pressed Harper again to fire Zaccardelli.

"Harper just changed the channel," the source told CP. "He said, 'Now, moving along to the next subject.' He just cut (Day) dead."

Harper called the CP story a "ridiculous rumour" and Day said in question period on Friday it was an "utter fabrication," which coincidentally was the same language Harper's communications director used to describe the story.

The week ended Friday with the Vancouver Sun reporting that Tory MP John Cummins has gone public with his opposition to a plan by Harper and Indian Affairs Minister Jim Prentice to sign an aboriginal land treaty.

Cummins is not expected to be disciplined, like former Tory MP Garth Turner who was kicked out of caucus earlier this fall.

But in a minority Parliament with the Tories trailing the Liberals Harper appears to have few options.

After last week's byelections that added to the ranks of the Liberals and the Bloc, the loss of another Tory MP would make it extremely difficult for the government to stave off a non-confidence vote with the support of the Bloc and the Liberals.

And that would change the essential dynamic from the spring where it was Harper who was the one who held the best cards.

Knowing that the Liberals were embarking on a lengthy leadership process, the PM threatened to force an election no fewer than three times during the spring.

The most egregious use of this threat was after the NDP put forward a motion of no-confidence in Environment Minister Rona Ambrose. Harper warned that it would be a matter of confidence if it came to the floor of the House of Commons. Fearing an election, the Liberals voted to against the NDP motion, killing it at the committee level.

Knowing the Liberals could not defeat the government, Harper was able to threaten and intimidate his opponents.

But not any more.

Dion and the Liberals are probably not ready for an election just yet after fighting a marathon leadership battle (in fact Dion isn't even ready for opposition either as he doesn't plan to have his shadow cabinet introduced until next month), but there is no doubt that he wants one soon.

So how soon could Canadians be going to the polls if it were up to Mr. Dion?

"Liberals, we need to get back to power as soon as possible," Dion told party faithful at the leadership debate in Toronto in October. And among Dion's first words to delegates upon winning the Liberal crown on the weekend, "Stephen Harper, we are counting the days until the next election."

Harper's springtime threats to go to the polls were part wishful thinking, mostly bluff. However, if Harper were to make the threat again, he could have in Dion a willing accomplice in ending this session of Parliament .
 

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Quote: But if the Tory slide in support continues, more and more MPs may be less concerned about Harper winning a majority and more concerned about saving their own seats, especially as an election approaches.

And already private grumbling about Harper's style has become more and more public in recent weeks. The fortress around what goes on behind the scenes is slowly being penetrated with non-flattering leaks from inside.

Yep it always comes down to saving one's "Seat", Canada and those who voted for the MP be damned it's all about "them". Where did all the frank honest politicians go?????????????????????? Isn't that suppose to be the Con platform? So much for open and honest government are the cons still not filing their expense accounts? When it comes to Canadian Politics I feel like I've got one foot on the grave and the other foot on a bananna peel.
 

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I've been telling folk for years that there is no difference between a Liberal a Conservative or any other "party" hack when it comes to what matters. And as you so eloquently put it, Canadian living standards, quality of life and justice systems mean next to nothing to panting wannabes chasing that golden parachute. Canadians won't demand transparency and justice nor are they willing to hold our elected morons to even the same level of accountability as the system holds the common man. Canadians shake their heads and moan and complain but are they willing to withhold their taxes...are they willing to protest against unfit government are they willing to invest even a moment of their time in securing some future for their children?

NO

Canadians have so much more to talk about.....meaningless ranting about this situation in the Middle East or that situation with the Americans or this issue with global warming or that circumstance regarding terrorism or same sex marriage or any other wrinkle of the propaganda engine that keeps these inept corrupt and self-interested morons out of the focus of scrutiny.

Canadians....are a joke.
 

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I've been telling folk for years that there is no difference between a Liberal a Conservative or any other "party" hack when it comes to what matters. And as you so eloquently put it, Canadian living standards, quality of life and justice systems mean next to nothing to panting wannabes chasing that golden parachute. Canadians won't demand transparency and justice nor are they willing to hold our elected morons to even the same level of accountability as the system holds the common man. Canadians shake their heads and moan and complain but are they willing to withhold their taxes...are they willing to protest against unfit government are they willing to invest even a moment of their time in securing some future for their children?.


Fair enough. You've isolated what you see as a problem. What is your solution? What are you as an individual Canadian prepared to do to help recitify the situation?
 

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The way multinational corporations are able to achieve influence in Parliament and government in general is through the enormous quantities of money generated through needless consumption. People seeking to raise families and provide for their loved ones are hostage to the “free-enterprise-system” at the workplace. The condition has been and continues to worsen that the wages paid to people employed by huge corporations are inadequate to maintain all but a subsistence existence while executives are paid vast sums of money and folk fortunate enough to have money to invest smile as corporations reap huge profits. Who wins? Those executives like the Hydro One hierarchy like the Bell Canada management like every monster corporation are pleased to “earn” gargantuan salaries and bonuses while food banks and homelessness increase.

Wealth rules the world and quite frankly the battles taking place in Afghanistan or Iraq or anywhere else in the world has been and will always be the wealthy subjugating the poor. MBAs and “lawyers” run western society because we have been fashioned into “marketplaces” of greedy self-interested consumers with little interest in anything else and no capacity to think beyond the limits imposed by our willingness to apathy and ignorance.

The average consumer is more than willing to purchase sweatshop produced goods (overseas sweatshops operating near slave-wage manufacturing industries) because no American or Canadian produced product can be afforded because Canadians and Americans wouldn’t accept the dollar a day kind of wages that the unfortunates in Bangladesh, China, Indonesia and other manufacturing centers around the world pay their “employees”.

Which perspective is the most accurate here?

Canadians and Americans who wouldn’t work for starvation wages don’t mind that enormous numbers of people toil at work in sweatshops that Canadians and Americans wouldn’t do for that wage meanwhile the average wage paid by Wal Mart and huge multinationals to Canadian and American employees is subsistence at best.

Canadians consume without consideration of the outcomes and consequences to the environment or people trapped in slave-wage paying jobs overseas because they (Canadians) believe they’re “prosperous” and “wealthy” because while they can barely live on what industries and government pay they can flock to the local Zellers Walmart and other subsidiaries of multinational businesses and perpetuate the sweatshop culture…

Canadians and Americans have no difficulty driving through the MacDonald’s or the Burger King drive thru and paying inflated prices for sandwiches and French-Fries while the people working inside are paid minimum wages (or less if the company has managed to attract students). A “convenience” mentality coupled with an apparent absence of any consideration involving wage levels to subsistence workers (MacDonald’s, Burger King et al.) combined with a “disposability” temperament, conditioned into consumers by industry renders not only the “food” eaten and the drive-thru “convenience” popular but translates to a disposable attitude toward the people serving them this crap. When’s the last time anyone handed over a decent “tip” to the person in the serving window of their local drive-through? Extremely rarely if ever because the attitude engendered by this collation of disposability and convenience is only a “bargain” if Joe Average can eat cheaply (without tipping or paying a decent wage) to the people who disappear from memory the moment the “food” is delivered and the car exits the drive-thru.

I don’t have any trouble avoiding drive-thrus, I don’t work, don’t have car and don’t have any money to spend on convenience or disposability anyway!

Canadians know and are familiar with everything I’ve pointed out and I’m not illustrating some complex sophisticated esoteric social-studies problem, Canadians are just Americans without the superiority complex. Neither nation of people as individuals care about anyone but themselves and will continue to pour money into the very systems that keep them earning dirt-poor incomes while fooling themselves that they’re happy and prosperous….

Stop eating at fast-food and patronizing drive-thru restaurants.

Stop buying goods manufactured in third world nations or China the Philippines and Indonesia.

Stop watching television and learn to appreciate that you’re alive and have family around you with whom you can participate and become involved in, while reducing the behavioral conditioning that comes pouring out of that box!

Stop accepting that politicians like Harper Day McClellan, and almost every other Canadian politician are exempt from the same standards under law as every other Canadian.

Start bucking the “system” and stand up for your right to live in a nation not ruled by multi-national corporations manipulating ersatz “representatives”…

Canadians won’t DO anything because Canadians are too busy building the complex willing self-delusion that everything’s just fine and it’s only those nasty Arabs or the “evildoers-of-the-moment” who abuse their fellows.

There are many more ways to change but Canadians don’t like change and Conservatives certainly don’t like change. Conservatives would be completely happy to have a pregnant woman barefoot in the kitchen with both her and the kids fawning over the new carriage and horse that the massa where daddy works allowed daddy and the “little-woman” to have…

Why is it do you suppose that the poor folk, the disabled and the disenfranchised see what’s contributing to the widening chasm between the wealthy and the poor and the wealthy are satisfied to blame them for creating this situation?

There are other ways to address these issues and like the natives and blacks have come to understand the only thing that whitey understands is fire riots occupation and chaos. People aren’t willing to acknowledge never mind address these issues, it’s only when police or the military are called upon to quell the unrest that the fat-cat-Canadian pays attention.

You fqkers created this system and you’re the first to whine and complain when your attitudes and behaviour compel people to pick up a gun or a can of gasoline…..

If someone wanted to make an impression on the people of Canada they could detonate say a train-car load of methane, a train-car load of pesticide and a train-car load of liquid oxygen in the marshalling yards in Toronto or Montreal or London…. Sorry Colpy no targets for you to kill…




 

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make an impression on the people of Canada they could detonate say a train-car load of methane, a train-car load of pesticide and a train-car load of liquid oxygen in the marshalling yards in Toronto or Montreal or London…. Sorry Colpy no targets for you to kill…


Well, I did ask;-)! Tell me though, do we have to create violence to settle the issue? What would blowing up the yards really do, except cause them to carry on in another location?
 

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Mikey, a long post but a good one! A lot of our problems in Canada are created here. Too many do shop price ignoring what's happening across Canada to the small entrepreneur and small business owner. Locally, we have one of the longest standing independent grocers and hardware stores in Ontario. I do most of my buying there. I am amazed that it's still operating. Compared to the congested parking lots at Walmart or Home Depot, this store always has parking right at the door. People need to patronize their locals and spend what they can on Canadian made goods. We really have been disloyal to ourselves and our country as we pursue big store candy and box store goodies.
 

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Well, I did ask;-)! Tell me though, do we have to create violence to settle the issue? What would blowing up the yards really do, except cause them to carry on in another location?

You tell me!

Did the plight of the African American change in the U.S. as a smoothly integrated progression from slavery to equality without massive violence? Do people really take the time to think about the underlying dyancmics that nourish prejudice and hatred or do you have to burn a few crosses and execute a few people to get enough people to pay attention?

Is the "game" Canadians and Americans accept as perfectly "OK" when it comes to demonizing criminals embedded in foreign governments, dictatorships and oppressive regimes from South America to Indonesia etc. played around a negotiating table or are the Marines sent in when "diplomacy" and negotiation don't result in the desired outcome?

Do the words double-standard mean anything to you?
 

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The real Name of the Game...

The real name of the game

As a shooting enthusiast I want to own the paraphernalia and equipment I use in my particular recreational pursuit. In Canada that has become frustrating expensive and fraught with undeserved negative moral judgments.

Just like the skier or the bowler or the dirt-biker I enjoy the added dimension of judgment and self-evaluation that any sports endeavor requires of a participant. The recreational shooter, like people involved in many other sporting and recreational pursuits enjoys developing and refining the skills necessary to realize full competency in their chosen pastime.

The mechanics of firearms and the knowledge of ballistics, the opportunity to fine-tune one’s skills and equipment, sights and optics, machining feed ramps and expanding magazine wells or through manufacturing ones own ammunition for example, competitive matches at various skill levels, all the many and varying facets of recreational firearms use invite the enthusiast to explore separate but related dimensions within the general paradigm.

Automobile racer’s and boaters, off-road biker’s and four-wheeler’s all participate in upgrading their equipment, testing the limits of their knowledge and equipment by answering the challenges of their various sports and recreational pastimes.

Many folk ask why anyone not dependent on a firearm for defense or providing food for their family would need a firearm in this country; a question that could just as reasonably be asked of the four-wheeler’s dirt bikers and recreational boating communities.

When the Anti-gun Coalition harangue both the public and our politicians inviting them to the conclusion that it is only law enforcement folk or hunters trappers and miners eking out their living in the wild that really need firearms, seldom if ever is this same question directed toward other kinds of recreational activity.

Why one might ask would that question not be just as valid if asked of the individual sailing around on a white-capped foamy water, or the off-road enthusiast crashing through underbrush and climbing rock faces?

What the anti-gun community doesn’t want you to realize is that there actually isn’t any better reason why the recreational boater or skier or dirt-biker should be permitted to engage in their particular pastime than simply that it is the enjoyment of life and engaging fully as a participant in the joy of being alive.

What they don’t want you to conclude is that there is in fact a sub-current of fear and need to control others that’s at work behind their exaggerations and contorted perceptions.

Do people get injured participating in recreational activities?

Certainly they do!

The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) tracks product-related injuries through its National Injury Information Clearinghouse. According to the CPSC, there were an estimated 309,322 sports-related head injuries treated at U.S. hospital emergency rooms in 2005. The actual incidence of head injuries is potentially much higher, as many of these injuries are treated at physician’s offices, immediate care centres, or self-treated.

The following 20-sports/recreational activities represent the categories contributing to the highest number of estimated head injuries treated in U.S. hospital emergency rooms in 2005.

Cycling: 64,140
Powered Recreational Vehicles (ATVs, Dune Buggies, Go-Carts, Mini bikes, Off-road): 26,093
Football: 31,883
Basketball: 25,241
Baseball and Softball: 22,919
Water Sports (Diving, Scuba Diving, Surfing, Swimming, Water Polo, Water Skiing): 17,505
Winter Sports (Skiing, Sledding, Snowboarding, Snowmobiling): 16,707
Soccer: 14,674
Skateboards/Scooters: 13,248
Horseback Riding: 10,377
Health Club (Exercise, Weightlifting): 10,218
Golf: 7,885
Hockey: 6,069
Trampolines: 5,347
Skating (In line, roller, roller hockey): 3,527
Fishing: 3,236
Gymnastics/Dance: 3,141


Total 265,503! And that’s just head injuries never mind deaths and long-term physical disability.

From the Canada Safety Council

“In February 2003, the Canadian Institute for Health Information (CIHI) reported a 50 per cent increase in hospitalizations due to ATVs over the past five years (from 1,693 in 1996/1997 to 2,535 in 2000/2001). In the category of sports and recreation, ATV-related activities are now the third most common cause of severe injuries next to cycling and snowmobiling.”

New York Time article:

“Even so, bicyclists suffered 73,750 head injuries last year, compared with 66,820 in 1991, according to the safety commission's national injury surveillance system, with the sharpest increase coming in the last three years. Children's head injuries declined until the mid-1990's, but they have risen sharply since then and now stand near their 1991 levels even with fewer children riding bikes.”

The facts are that even if all the injuries and fatalities that occur through the criminal misuse of firearms were added to the total of all injuries and fatalities occurring in sport firearms use then compared to the number of injuries and fatalities that occur in other recreational activities, there is an overwhelming base of fact that clearly demonstrates that firearms sports are far less costly to Canada’s healthcare and hospital systems than all others.

Why then does the government of Canada and the Anti-gun lobby focus on the shooting-sport enthusiast as a potential source of civil mayhem?

Because it’s easier to play on and expand on a fear of firearms and point to the embellished and elaborate (and far from accurate) portrayal of guns as instruments of lawlessness and crime presented to television and movie audiences than it is to confront the facts.

By responding to the anti-gun lobby in the knee-jerk fashion they have, governments have been permitted to direct attention away from what they’re not doing to keep Canada and Canadians safe. Our provincial and federal governments continue to fail to address the need for recreational programs in schools and communities that teach safe cycling and prepare youngsters for activities that are potentially far more dangerous to their well being than are the shooting sports. Governments have failed to ensure that physical education programs exist that will benefit youngsters maturing into healthy adults (and subsequently less susceptible to many sports related injuries) will be part of a complete education program across this nation. Politicians keen to garner votes downplay their absence of enthusiasm for cleaning up the environment for everyone and instead align themselves with anti-gun lobbyists.

Concatenating visceral and hysterical responses to criminality with legal safe firearms sports permits focus to be redirected onto the object, the firearm, and leaves the underlying predicates un-examined. We are subtly invited to ignore the larger problems of poverty and substance abuse and our focus is trained through a specific particular and terribly narrow window on reality.

The real name of the game when it comes to Anti-Gun groups and emotional pleas for gun registration (and eventually you can be assured, gun confiscation at some future time), is the exercise of fear as inducement to compel prejudice against a small number of sport enthusiasts while ignoring the lengthy list of far more dangerous activities for which complacency to injury and death is the invited alternative. Governments manufacture “issues” to “take the heat off” when faced with inept policing institutionalized poverty and a burgeoning appetite for controlled substances across the face of this planet.

The psychological legerdemain involved is so transparent; “No we haven’t been successful in interdicting the drug trade”; No we haven’t been successful at dismantling institutionalized poverty”; “No we haven’t been successful in addressing the causes of criminality and the accompanying violence”… it’s all because of firearms! “Take away…register all the guns…prohibit firearms ownership etc. etc. and all these evils will magically disappear!

The rational argument that can be presented that demonstrates that properly instructed and closely supervised participation in sport firearms in combination with rigorous scrutiny of all activities ensuring the safety of participants results in people being able to enjoy the camaraderie of like-minded enthusiasts in an atmosphere of friendly competition is completely overwhelmed by the triggering of fear and loathing used by the anti-gun community.

Global-wide industrial and manufacturing entities producing sports equipment from inline skates and elbow pads to off-road four-by-fours and dirt bikes to alpine and cross country ski equipment all recognize the potential dangers that the user will confront while using this equipment. Statistics clearly indicate that sportsmen and sportswomen are prepared to learn what they need to know and understand to be able to participate in these sports and recreational pursuits safely and yet despite the thousands injured and killed annually it is only the firearms sports that have become the focus of hysteria.

The name of the game being played is prejudice predicated on an unjustifiable fear that is then used to discriminate against people engaging in what the casual observer has been conditioned to juxtapose with crime and violent civil disobedience.

The real game as it turns out is a confidence game among petty bureaucrats and an hysterical ill-informed and largely ignorant few working to forge an unshakeable link between criminality and those who enjoy perfectly legal and entirely safe recreational shooting sports.

Examine the record of every nation that’s applied this topsy-turvy reasoning to a perceived “firearms” problem. It simply doesn’t work!







 

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I've been telling folk for years that there is no difference between a Liberal a Conservative or any other "party" hack when it comes to what matters. And as you so eloquently put it, Canadian living standards, quality of life and justice systems mean next to nothing to panting wannabes chasing that golden parachute. Canadians won't demand transparency and justice nor are they willing to hold our elected morons to even the same level of accountability as the system holds the common man. Canadians shake their heads and moan and complain but are they willing to withhold their taxes...are they willing to protest against unfit government are they willing to invest even a moment of their time in securing some future for their children?

Canadians....are a joke.



Every government has it’s shortfalls. Every government can’t please everyone. But some governments are definitely worst than others and there are times when they fall into scandal. So it is true that both Liberals and Conservatives have failed the public on different accounts.

However again, depending on the leadership of the party or the way the party adopts it’s vision, some parties are definitely worst than others and amount to a real difference in the governance that affects our lives.

As long as our standards continue to remain high as to our quality of life, and as long as we are not apathetic to who is running the show, we can either improve things, or perhaps make out representatives hold to a standard. The integrity of our representatives are in many ways linked to the integrity of our vote so when you complain about your politicians, we do hold fault in that too. Case in point, Bush was elected twice, and that is when my sympathies became lost.

That said, Canada is nowhere near a stage of revolt where the door of change in working through our political system is very viable. Canadians got the Liberals to go through a restructuring, and so that does show the power of Canadians when they wish to punish a wrong.

So as to the power of the vote, it has resulted in a Liberal Party that is much more refreshed and one that surprised everyone having ultimately picked a good guy lead it. There isn't the stagnation to our country's problems by which you seem to express towards Canadians in relation to our political situation. In fact things feel pretty hot right now.
 

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Canadians have so much more to talk about.....meaningless ranting about this situation in the Middle East or that situation with the Americans or this issue with global warming or that circumstance regarding terrorism or same sex marriage or any other wrinkle of the propaganda engine that keeps these inept corrupt and self-interested morons out of the focus of scrutiny.

Canadians....are a joke.



I've had some serious reservations with our current political state but even then, I remain an optimist. I think at some level with how you've posted your frustrations, it might be starting to fall down to personal attitude. Kind of like that glass seems half empty for you.

While I’ve felt the need to argue against the direction this country has taken under Harper, I am still happy in life and overall, happy with my country. I wish to protect what we still have as much as I wish to argue for improvement.
 
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I'm hardly confident that the Liberals or the NDP (fat chance) are ready to take power. Just because Stephane Dion (a politician from Quebec) is declared the leader of the Liberal Party does not mean that they have learned their lesson after being pushed out. I think Ontarians will decide and if folks are sheepish enough to let them back in after such a short time then we are truly doomed to dance down the same path of arrogance.

A lot of the squabbling in the conservative camp could be getting blown completely out of proportion by the press. They do like beating up on conservatives. That is not too say they don't have faults, but unlike Chretien or Martin Harper is acting like a leader.

For such a tyrant he sure allows his MP's to vote their conscience which is more than I can say for Mr. Layton.

Other than putting the SSM legislation to a vote (which should have been done in the first place) I think that the government has kept many of their promises. Even if you don't agree with the War in Afghanistan, you have to admit that he is supporting our Canadian Troops ten fold to that of the previous government.

He's given middle class families with young kids a tax break and the GST is going down to 5 cents. Hmm the sky never fell, no soldiers in the streets invoking martial law and gays can now marry without further debate. Last I checked Woman still have a right to choose.

The biggest thing the Feds are taking heat for are the Arar inquiry. A Liberal mess.

Oh well, if an election is called I will vote my conscience and I guarantee it won't be Liberal or NDP.

If the rest of you sign on for another decade of corruption you should be ashamed.

Signing off.........
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