Canadians to Taliban: Merry Xmas

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Canadian tanks deployed in Panjwaii district

Updated Sat. Dec. 2 2006 11:30 PM ET
CTV News

Canada became the first NATO country to send tanks into combat in Afghanistan on Saturday, seriously upping the ante in the fight to end the Taliban insurgency. The deployment of the Canadian leopard tanks marked the first time since the Korean War Canadians have used such heavy firepower in a combat situation.

A squadron of the imposing tanks rolled through the Panjwaii district on Saturday morning, putting on a show of force for villagers before arriving at a forward observation base in Afghanistan's volatile south.
The tanks were sent into action after weeks of trial runs, and only after they were shipped to the war-torn nation at a cost of $1 million per tank, said CTV's Steve Chao, reporting from Kandahar.

They will be used to protect convoys -- which have often been targeted by roadside and suicide bombings -- and Canada's reconstruction team as it attempts to rebuild Afghanistan's infrastructure. Tanks were last used in Afghanistan's rugged terrain three decades ago when the former Soviet Union made its siege on the nation.

The Canadian tanks, however, have been tailored specifically for service in the rough landscape where the Taliban are most at home, but where it is often difficult to make use of heavy equipment. The leopards have more powerful engines than traditional tanks and a more accurate 105-millimetre gun. And the Canadian Forces has spent almost $200 million on custom upgrades, beefing up the tank's armour and weapons systems for combat in the rugged mountain passes where the Soviets failed.

They will also help Canada's soldiers penetrate the warren-like mud-walled compounds where the Taliban often hole up, and which are difficult for the infantry's light armoured vehicles to penetrate, Chao said.
The tanks make it clear the Canadians mean business, said Maj. Trevor Cadieu, a squadron commander.
"To the Taliban I think it should send a very clear message that the coalition is resolved to bringing security to the area and ultimately reconstruction," he said.

The new hardware will give the forces the ability to strike at the Taliban from further away and reduce the risk to Canadian troops. "We can bring another force to them where they don't have to get into such close combat, where we can give them the punch from a little further away. So that's what we do," said Trooper Philip Mooney, a gunner. There are about 2,500 Canadian troops serving in Afghanistan. Including Monday's deaths, 44 have died since 2002, plus one diplomat.

With a report from CTV's Steve Chao in Kandahar

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talloola

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hurrah

its about time the canadian government shook out their moth ridden wallets, and supplied our

military with something that will help save their lives, and Merry Xmas to our Canadian Soldiers,

and the Taliban can go piss up a rope.
 

ottawabill

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we're back!!! bout time our military was paid the attention it deserved..and needed....

We need this equipment ..we need to win this....

It's not about making a good show of it then going home..It's about stopping idiots from blowing up our office workers because they don't pray 5 times a day!!!
 

#juan

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Canada didn't just buy these tanks. They bought them in the eighties. They have been modified and strengthened. They weren't a lot of use in the cold war, but they might be ideal for Afghanistan.

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SAWEEEEEEEEEET, GO GETTEM BOYS!!!!!

I heard to day they've been tossin arty at the Taliban, first time in over 50 years our Tanks have seen action in Combat.
 

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Ahh yes, I'm sure Jesus would be right there cheering us on!!

Seriously tho, I don't see how tanks are gonna help any- I suppose in a few years I'll be glad to re-visit threads like this, once they've been rendered quaint by reality

How do tanks work against shadowy guerillas and roadside bombs and suicide vehicle bombs btw?? Do the turrets track at 100 KPH or is there some other thing I don't know about "modern military equipment"??
 

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Ahh yes, I'm sure Jesus would be right there cheering us on!!

Seriously tho, I don't see how tanks are gonna help any- I suppose in a few years I'll be glad to re-visit threads like this, once they've been rendered quaint by reality

How do tanks work against shadowy guerillas and roadside bombs and suicide vehicle bombs btw?? Do the turrets track at 100 KPH or is there some other thing I don't know about "modern military equipment"??


Well, if you have tanks at the front and rear of the convoys, you can prevent the suicide bombers from getting close to the more vulnerable vehicles.
 

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Bang on Durka, hopefully this will prevent any more Canadian deaths via care bombs.
 

mabudon

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Only way to prevent anymore Canadian deaths in Afghanistan is to leave there- sadly, this will take a lot more deaths to bang the point home, but I am pretty positive that this will be borne out in time, not because of any affiliation with any political party (tho go ahead and call me whatever, and associate me with whomever you like, you'll be wrong I can guarantee, ALL who've attempted have failed at this so far) but more because I am very well versed in history and reality

It shocks me to see my fellow Canadians smugly offer "Merry Christmas" with Tanks and guns and bombs, almost ashamed really, but I will not deny anyones right to say such things... usually I find irony funy, but not in this instance
 

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Only way to prevent anymore Canadian deaths in Afghanistan is to leave there- sadly, this will take a lot more deaths to bang the point home, but I am pretty positive that this will be borne out in time, not because of any affiliation with any political party (tho go ahead and call me whatever, and associate me with whomever you like, you'll be wrong I can guarantee, ALL who've attempted have failed at this so far) but more because I am very well versed in history and reality

It shocks me to see my fellow Canadians smugly offer "Merry Christmas" with Tanks and guns and bombs, almost ashamed really, but I will not deny anyones right to say such things... usually I find irony funy, but not in this instance

Since Canada is commited to Afghanistan for the next couple years, doesn't it make sense that we supply the soldiers with the tools and machinary they need to protect them selves?
 

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Ahhh, common sense, the best kind I might add. Sure as hell beats wearing a blue beret and blowing a freaking whistle.
 

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Introducing tanks into Afghanistan is an escalation. If the Taliban can come up with a few bazookas, or anti-tank rockets, it could be a problem. Tanks are awfully big targets.
 

mabudon

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I guess that's what I was driving at, #Juan, the steady deterioration of the original "mission" is bound to make things far worse for all concerned, but at least, I suppose, the pure BS about "freeing women" and "building schools" is off the table for anyone with enough brains to read the news, so no-one will have to try to put that old lie to bed anymore

Also, the whole "enemy combatant" crap can go, too, if these tanks get blown up, no-one can cry about how they were there to hand out notebooks and loolipops, they are friggin TANKS meant to destroy stuff, and you can't villify the locals for wanting to rid the area of them, so it is officially a war and there are no good guys and bad guys anymore- not trying to put words in anyones mouth, but that is sorta what you meant by "escalation", right juan??
 
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HEE-HEE-HEE, or should l say HOO-HOO-HOOO! I really don't understand why this didn't happen earlier. l recieved a letter from a soldier in Afganistan a few weeks ago, in response to the letter l sent thanking the troops for everything they were doing. He told me that he appreciated the card and that Afganistan is far different from his home. Can you imagine for a minute, what it would be like, with the constant threat of these suicide bombers, and the soldiers having so little to protect them?

There really is no excuse. ESPECIALLY when the Children's Aid Society waste countless dollars on luxury vacations and vehicles and meals and other perks, and then look at the reality that is threatening our world.

It is time that people step up and write to the troops, just simple cards saying how valued they are in representing our country against this threat. How difficult is it to do this?

It is time that the country steps up and equip our brave young and women with the best equipment possible to protect them and ensure they make it home.
 

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Here here! I saw the link to write to our soldiers just a few minutes ago on the DND website. Thats really what I like about the Conservatives, that they want to give us better gear, I wonder if the more liberal parties would allow that....
 

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What is not talked about in the news is the role of special services play...they are the men and women who go into the very dangerous assignments and are specially trained for top secret assignments...kind of like James bond.................................oh, sorry got lost in a daydream, anyway...yes, so we contribute in other ways to the effort to get rid of these nasty smelling fanaticaly Islamic Terrorists...

but just a simple heart-felt thank-you and a letter to just express gratitude can go a long, long way in the hearts and the minds of these brave individuals...
as we have all recently learnt through the news the Taliban is a different enemy that we expected, using mafia like efforts to drive fear into the communities in which our soldiers are entering.

What better counter-measure can be found than the support of their country, sent with the warmth of lasting, heartfelt words? I can't think of a better message for our troops than an outpouring of support from home.
 

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That ah girl Northstar, I send my thanks to the troops for their hard work weekly. Reality is the spice of life, Canadian troops are in the thick of harms way so stop the Socialist nonsense. The Libs sent them there, ya don't like it call your MP but leave the troops alone. Canada sent them there if you don't like it, protest like the Peaceniks do.
 

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Didn't discovery channel just rank the Leopard II as the best tank in the world. Bloody hun still building nice armour. I would love to see a return to peacekeeping but if you gotta fight then don't do it with one hand tied behind your back. There is something to be said about peace through superior firepower. GO GET EM BOYS.
 

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Introducing tanks into Afghanistan is an escalation. If the Taliban can come up with a few bazookas, or anti-tank rockets, it could be a problem. Tanks are awfully big targets.



What do you suggest "bicycles"?, or , maybe those new 'cute' little scooters, they're pretty snappy.

They are doing lots of construction and other rebuilding in Afghanistan, they have to protect themselves,
as they are being attacked. We are not invaders, we are helpers, this has nothing to do with Iraq, it
is a legal "united nations" coalition, as a result of 911.

Canadians were killed in the 911 attack, we owe it to "them", as other nations owe it to their citizens
who were in the twin towers.

Now that Bush has ruined everything in Iraq it is even more important to stay and finish the job in
Afghanistan, or both of those countries will be "full" of terrorists and murdurers.