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Super Genius
Posts: 1,065 
Location: Montréal, Québec
Location: Montréal, Québec
November 26th, 2006, 08:25 PM
Quoting sanctus
No. The perfect solution would be to dissolve most of Ottawa's powers and return the bulk of it (Including Taxation) to the provinces. But alas, Anglo's like Ottawa as it is. So the only option is simply leaving.
So, in other words, the perfect solution would be to let Quebec be independent, but in an association with Canada so that Quebec can still receive some monies from Ottawa. Is that about the gist of what you're saying here?
World Police
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November 26th, 2006, 08:43 PM
I would be quite happy if I never heard the word "Quebec" again. I am sick of this country pandering to the whining/greedy/obnoxious/complaining "Symbolic Nation". I am sick of having the News dominated by Quebecs demands, the newspapers devoting pages of print to their extortions, enough already. I think Canada should have a referendum on whether we want Quebec to be a province/nation within Canada, I would gladly vote "NO" to that .
I would be quite happy if I never heard the word "Quebec" again. I am sick of this country pandering to the whining/greedy/obnoxious/complaining "Symbolic Nation". I am sick of having the News dominated by Quebecs demands, the newspapers devoting pages of print to their extortions, enough already. I think Canada should have a referendum on whether we want Quebec to be a province/nation within Canada, I would gladly vote "NO" to that .
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November 26th, 2006, 09:15 PM
Or maybe that's what you want. It's not enough that a certain noisy minority of Québécois succeed, the rest of Canada must fail at the same time; is that what you mean? That's a fine ethically bankrupt position. And "Anglo's [sic] like Ottawa as it is?" Jeez, what planet are you from? You don't appear to be paying much attention to what's going on around you. And who the Hell are these Anglos you lump together in some monolithic group of non-Québécois people? To me you represent (and not just from that post) the worst of the separatists: ignorant parochialism and thinly disguised bigotry.
Quoting Numure
Return? What do you mean, return? That wouldn't be returning something to the provinces that they used to have, they never had it. And in what conceivable sense would that be a perfect solution anyway? A national government with no power to govern or tax can't function. You're prescribing the dissolution of the whole country.
No. The perfect solution would be to dissolve most of Ottawa's powers and return the bulk of it (Including Taxation) to the provinces. But alas, Anglo's like Ottawa as it is. So the only option is simply leaving.
Or maybe that's what you want. It's not enough that a certain noisy minority of Québécois succeed, the rest of Canada must fail at the same time; is that what you mean? That's a fine ethically bankrupt position. And "Anglo's [sic] like Ottawa as it is?" Jeez, what planet are you from? You don't appear to be paying much attention to what's going on around you. And who the Hell are these Anglos you lump together in some monolithic group of non-Québécois people? To me you represent (and not just from that post) the worst of the separatists: ignorant parochialism and thinly disguised bigotry.
Senate Member
Posts: 6,500
November 27th, 2006, 07:51 AM
I addressed Quebec placing themselves as an "individual nation" to a group in Washington....earlier last week
It was a meeting of Canadian and U.S. representatives on the topic of border identification - especially with the huge trade sharing going on between the two countries.
The Quebec representative had me stunned as he described all the trade Quebec does with the U.S. and spoke as if there was no other country surrounding that region of Canada.
I hope Quebec isn't grooming the trades people in the U.S. to believe they are the only manufacturing center in Canada.
It was eye opening - watching his arrogance and "nationalist" smooth talk... demeaning to the nation of Canada.
I asked people here on another thread if this goes on all the time, but I didn't generate any interest in the topic. It really disturbed me to witness his hypocrisy.
I addressed Quebec placing themselves as an "individual nation" to a group in Washington....earlier last week
It was a meeting of Canadian and U.S. representatives on the topic of border identification - especially with the huge trade sharing going on between the two countries.
The Quebec representative had me stunned as he described all the trade Quebec does with the U.S. and spoke as if there was no other country surrounding that region of Canada.
I hope Quebec isn't grooming the trades people in the U.S. to believe they are the only manufacturing center in Canada.
It was eye opening - watching his arrogance and "nationalist" smooth talk... demeaning to the nation of Canada.
I asked people here on another thread if this goes on all the time, but I didn't generate any interest in the topic. It really disturbed me to witness his hypocrisy.
Member
Posts: 82
November 27th, 2006, 10:29 AM
Lets send all the Francophone Quebec Nationalist to French Guiana and Suriname. The combined land of French Guiana and Suriname is enough land to create a French homeland in the Americas.
French Guina (35.253 Sq miles)
Suriname (63.251 Sq miles)
French Homeland (98. 504 Sq miles)
I think that the original territory of Quebec was quite similiar to this land area.
French Quebecers if you move to Guiana (French Guiana and Surriname) you would be a part of France or you would have an independent homeland.
All of North America (Canada and America) belong to the Anglophones whether you like it or not Franchophones. The British defeated the French for North America in the 7 years War or the French and Indian War what ever you want to call it fair and square. Quebec was taken from the French by the Royal Army commanded by General Wolfe and General Amhearst. General Wolfe captured Quebec City and General Amhearst captured Montreal.
Quebec belongs to Canada today
Quebec belongs to Canada tomorrow
Quebec belongs to Canada forever
Anglophone Canadains dont let Quebec gain its idependence, because it belongs to you. Stop the Francophone Nationalist at all cost.
LONG LIVE A STRONG UNITED CANADA
DEATH TO QUEBEC NATIONALISM
Francophones, Canada is an Anglophone Nation (that includes Quebec) if you dont like it you can leave to
France
Saint Domingue (Hati and Domincian Republic)
Guiana (French Guiana and Suriname)
Lets send all the Francophone Quebec Nationalist to French Guiana and Suriname. The combined land of French Guiana and Suriname is enough land to create a French homeland in the Americas.
French Guina (35.253 Sq miles)
Suriname (63.251 Sq miles)
French Homeland (98. 504 Sq miles)
I think that the original territory of Quebec was quite similiar to this land area.
French Quebecers if you move to Guiana (French Guiana and Surriname) you would be a part of France or you would have an independent homeland.
All of North America (Canada and America) belong to the Anglophones whether you like it or not Franchophones. The British defeated the French for North America in the 7 years War or the French and Indian War what ever you want to call it fair and square. Quebec was taken from the French by the Royal Army commanded by General Wolfe and General Amhearst. General Wolfe captured Quebec City and General Amhearst captured Montreal.
Quebec belongs to Canada today
Quebec belongs to Canada tomorrow
Quebec belongs to Canada forever
Anglophone Canadains dont let Quebec gain its idependence, because it belongs to you. Stop the Francophone Nationalist at all cost.
LONG LIVE A STRONG UNITED CANADA
DEATH TO QUEBEC NATIONALISM
Francophones, Canada is an Anglophone Nation (that includes Quebec) if you dont like it you can leave to
France
Saint Domingue (Hati and Domincian Republic)
Guiana (French Guiana and Suriname)
Knows No Bounds
Posts: 2,976
November 27th, 2006, 06:35 PM
I wish he was being considered as a front runner, I really like this man he has what the Liberals need to make a come back. I don't like Rae or Iggy and I wouldn't consider voting Liberal under their helm but if Dryden won I'd vote for the Liberals in a NY minute.
I wish he was being considered as a front runner, I really like this man he has what the Liberals need to make a come back. I don't like Rae or Iggy and I wouldn't consider voting Liberal under their helm but if Dryden won I'd vote for the Liberals in a NY minute.
Knows No Bounds
Posts: 2,976
November 27th, 2006, 07:02 PM
Gonzo that is how I feel, I can't support the Liberals if Ray or Iggy win and I really don't like the direction Harper is taking this country. I even added the Green Party to my favorites list so I could read more on the party. What I don't understand is why the Liberals are ignoring those who only voted for the Cons out of frustration at the antics of the Liberal Government. If the Liberals did a poll and asked the Undecided voter who they like as a Liberal Leader I would say most want Dryden, but do they listen to the public NO.
Gonzo that is how I feel, I can't support the Liberals if Ray or Iggy win and I really don't like the direction Harper is taking this country. I even added the Green Party to my favorites list so I could read more on the party. What I don't understand is why the Liberals are ignoring those who only voted for the Cons out of frustration at the antics of the Liberal Government. If the Liberals did a poll and asked the Undecided voter who they like as a Liberal Leader I would say most want Dryden, but do they listen to the public NO.
Knows No Bounds
Posts: 2,976
November 27th, 2006, 07:18 PM
Yep it didn't take Harper long to sell Canada out to Quebec. Remember Harper saying I don't govern by polls yea sure asshole, he turns around and throws buckets of money at Quebec and then gives them Nation Status. Ouch is that a knife in my freaking back, nope it's a poutine fork.
Yep it didn't take Harper long to sell Canada out to Quebec. Remember Harper saying I don't govern by polls yea sure asshole, he turns around and throws buckets of money at Quebec and then gives them Nation Status. Ouch is that a knife in my freaking back, nope it's a poutine fork.
Senate Member
Posts: 6,500
November 27th, 2006, 08:18 PM
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2006/...tion-vote.html
Don't know if this was posted already - but just in case
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2006/...tion-vote.html
Don't know if this was posted already - but just in case
Quote:
House passes motion recognizing Québécois as nation
Last Updated: Monday, November 27, 2006 | 8:51 PM ET
CBC News
The House of Commons has overwhelmingly passed a motion recognizing Québécois as a nation within Canada.
Conservatives, most Liberal MPs, the NDP and the Bloc voted 266 to 16 in support of the controversial motion, which earlier in the day had prompted the resignation of Michael Chong as intergovernmental affairs minister.
Fifteen Liberal MPs voted against the motion, along with Independent MP Garth Turner.
Prime Minister Stephen Harper had introduced the surprise motion on Nov. 22, raising the ante on a Bloc Québécois motion that sought to declare Quebecers a nation without reference to Canada.
The motion states: "That this House recognize that the Québécois form a nation within a united Canada."
The prime minister has said he is using the word nation in a "cultural-sociological" rather than in a legal sense.
The nationhood idea has preoccupied Ottawa since the Bloc proposed a motion calling on the House to recognize Quebecers as a nation and Harper made a counter-proposal to define Québécois as a nation within Canada.
Liberal leadership hopefuls Gerard Kennedy, who doesn't have a seat in Parliament, and Ken Dryden announced on Monday that they opposed the motion.
Dryden and leadership candidate Joe Volpe voted against the motion.
Chong had said he would abstain from voting because the motion "implies the recognition of ethnicity.
"I do not believe in an ethnic nationalism. I believe in a civic nationalism."
Last Updated: Monday, November 27, 2006 | 8:51 PM ET
CBC News
The House of Commons has overwhelmingly passed a motion recognizing Québécois as a nation within Canada.
Conservatives, most Liberal MPs, the NDP and the Bloc voted 266 to 16 in support of the controversial motion, which earlier in the day had prompted the resignation of Michael Chong as intergovernmental affairs minister.
Fifteen Liberal MPs voted against the motion, along with Independent MP Garth Turner.
Prime Minister Stephen Harper had introduced the surprise motion on Nov. 22, raising the ante on a Bloc Québécois motion that sought to declare Quebecers a nation without reference to Canada.
The motion states: "That this House recognize that the Québécois form a nation within a united Canada."
The prime minister has said he is using the word nation in a "cultural-sociological" rather than in a legal sense.
The nationhood idea has preoccupied Ottawa since the Bloc proposed a motion calling on the House to recognize Quebecers as a nation and Harper made a counter-proposal to define Québécois as a nation within Canada.
Stephen Harper votes for a motion recognizing Québécois as a nation.
(CBC)Over the following two days, the Bloc first amended its motion to say that they are a nation "currently within Canada" — leaving the door open to independence — and then declared its support for the government motion.
Liberal leadership hopefuls Gerard Kennedy, who doesn't have a seat in Parliament, and Ken Dryden announced on Monday that they opposed the motion.
Dryden and leadership candidate Joe Volpe voted against the motion.
Chong had said he would abstain from voting because the motion "implies the recognition of ethnicity.
"I do not believe in an ethnic nationalism. I believe in a civic nationalism."
Super Genius
Posts: 1,458
Location: Toronto
Location: Toronto
November 27th, 2006, 08:24 PM
Can you believe that for a motion this important Harper would not even consult his own minister of intergovernmental affairs?? Unfreaking believable. This centralized method of leadership is no way to run a country. Wasn't it the Conservatives that constantly complained of the dictatorial powers of the PMO?
Can you believe that for a motion this important Harper would not even consult his own minister of intergovernmental affairs?? Unfreaking believable. This centralized method of leadership is no way to run a country. Wasn't it the Conservatives that constantly complained of the dictatorial powers of the PMO?
