Record corporate profits

Karlin

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Can't afford Kyoto? The oil and banking sectors made record profits - $58Billion in the third quarter alone - but refuse to get on board with reducing emissions that cause global warming. Some economists say there will be positive financial outcomes from embracing alternative energy projects, so it might not cost them anything... but if it did they can afford it >>> $58Billion, times four, is over $230BILLION per year...profit, not just income....

Coal has become one of the world's most profitable products, whether it is just exported or if they make electricity by burning it. This would not be the case except for the tax holidays/royalty rebates and other forms of corporate welfare applied to the coal industry.

If those kinds of subsidies were given to wind and solar power projects then those bankers could make profits from clean energy instead. Its really quite silly to still have those coal emissions at this late stage in the global warming era.

If we in North America do not get around the coal burning for electricity how can we expect China to do it? China builds about 40 coal-fired generators every week now.... We could ask them to stop doing that if we had a viable alternative working in our back yards, but as it is we do not have a leg to stand on. By choice.

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"Corporate Profits Driven by Oil Refining, Banking sectors" -
http://www.cbc.ca/money/story/2006/11/23/corpprofits.html
 

MMMike

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It's not like the cost of any steps to reach Kyoto goals would be born by corporations anyway. They would simply pass the costs on to the consumer, as they should.
 

gopher

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Reagan's role in the collapse of the Soviet Union was just a bit overrated:

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion...0,7754315.story?coll=la-news-comment-opinions



Gorbachev had a lot more to do with that decline as Soviet communism was an ideology which was totally devoid of logic, common sense, and pragmatism. Note that Reagan did nothing to stop communism in China. It took years before economic reform took place there without Reagan having any role in it which shows that reform comes from within, not from without.
 

BitWhys

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Also note the Russia is worse off economically now than when the wall fell, in no small part thanks to the IMF, and that life expectancy has diminished.
 

Colpy

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Both Gopher and BitWhys have a point, and I would say Russia is little better off politically as well.

Yes, Gorbachev started to loosen things slightly, and realized how much economic trouble Russia was in. But people forget Gorby was a communist, and Ronnie refused to give him a hand up by negotiating serious military cutbacks. Soviet society was geared entirely towards making war.

In refusing them breathing room, Ronnie forced them to keep spending almost solely on the military to keep up, and the whole house of cards came tumbling down........

AND, when you say Russia has not improved much, you are correct. But you are neglecting to mention East Germany, the Baltic States, Poland, Czechsolvakia, the Unkraine, shall I go on?

I should clarify I thought RR was the dumbest president they had in 100 years...........but he will be recognized in history as one of the most effective.
 
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BitWhys

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Ronnie refused to give him a hand up by negotiating serious military cutbacks

and some people forget the fact the Russians cut back anyways.
 

Colpy

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If you want to take pleasure in dancing on Leck Walasa's grave you can at least wait until he's dead.

I'm not taking a thing away from Mr. Walensa. Not a thing.

Yet you have to remember Czechslovakia in 68, Hungary in 56...........

Walensa was rebelling against a much weakened bear.