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November 26th, 2006, 12:57 AM
1. Not really and 2., merely?
Yeah, that is just like there is 'merely' more dead Canadians and 'merely' more dead Afghans by us.
Quoting Colpy
I have to say first off that Canada is doing EXACTLY the mission laid out for us by the Liberals...........the Conservatives merely extended it by two years.
1. Not really and 2., merely?
Yeah, that is just like there is 'merely' more dead Canadians and 'merely' more dead Afghans by us.
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Location: Vancouver Island
Location: Vancouver Island
November 26th, 2006, 01:59 AM
when 911 occurred, it changed many things. There were many people killed in that tragedy from many
countries, including Canada. We were part of the united nations decision to join the coaition to go into
Afghanistan and remove the taliban.
And, I must add, even though I dissaprove of George Bush. He did give the taliban an ultimatum, to
give up Usama Bin Laden at that time, and if they had have done that, they could have saved themselves
all this grief, but they chose "not to", they chose not to co operate in any way whatsoever.
The fight in Afghanistan has nothing at all to do with Iraq.
The biggest problem now is the let up by the U.S. in Afghanistan, but that let-up happened by all the
other countries as well. If the afghan fight had continued as strong as it started, it probably would
have made a huge improvement for the afghan people by now. Why didn't all of the coalition bitterly
complain when the U.S. began to back away from Afghanistan.
We are in there now as part of NATO, and if we decide to "just" leave, that would not look very good
on our part, as we made a commitment to that endeavour.
In all the years we have had a military, since world war 2, our military hasn't had to partake in any sort
of "fight", and it seems that many who join, are just joining to get an education, or a free ride of some
sort. We now know that joining the military means that "you are willing to give your life" for your
country, and that could be a real possibility, and now that is happening, some are complaining that
we should "leave", is that fair to the rest of the countries who are contributing.
when 911 occurred, it changed many things. There were many people killed in that tragedy from many
countries, including Canada. We were part of the united nations decision to join the coaition to go into
Afghanistan and remove the taliban.
And, I must add, even though I dissaprove of George Bush. He did give the taliban an ultimatum, to
give up Usama Bin Laden at that time, and if they had have done that, they could have saved themselves
all this grief, but they chose "not to", they chose not to co operate in any way whatsoever.
The fight in Afghanistan has nothing at all to do with Iraq.
The biggest problem now is the let up by the U.S. in Afghanistan, but that let-up happened by all the
other countries as well. If the afghan fight had continued as strong as it started, it probably would
have made a huge improvement for the afghan people by now. Why didn't all of the coalition bitterly
complain when the U.S. began to back away from Afghanistan.
We are in there now as part of NATO, and if we decide to "just" leave, that would not look very good
on our part, as we made a commitment to that endeavour.
In all the years we have had a military, since world war 2, our military hasn't had to partake in any sort
of "fight", and it seems that many who join, are just joining to get an education, or a free ride of some
sort. We now know that joining the military means that "you are willing to give your life" for your
country, and that could be a real possibility, and now that is happening, some are complaining that
we should "leave", is that fair to the rest of the countries who are contributing.
November 26th, 2006, 07:37 AM
Yes Juan, you are. So that makes it right?
Quoting #juan
And that would be because they invaded and tried to set up their own government, free from Aghan people or control. The government at present in Afghanistan may not be perfect, but it isn't Russian nor English.
Well Wally, you would know drivel, having posted so much of it yourself. Why don't you tell us when, and how, we would even know if we won. God knows how many times Afghanistan has been invaded over the years, and they are no doubt getting tired of it. The Russians never succeeded in winning anything in Afghanistan, and neither did the British. Anti-American? If I was, I would be among a majority of people in the world.
Yes Juan, you are. So that makes it right?
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Location: Quebec City
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November 26th, 2006, 08:26 AM
Even tho I support the operations in Afghanistan, I'm wondering if the current way to establish peace is the good one. I mean, we are in a «kill all the talibans» mode. For every dead fighter, theres probably three more crossing the pakistani border to fight Nato Troops. But then again, the days when the wars where fought with an army on each side of a given line are long gone...it's a new world, and we have to cope with it. Just my two cents.
I would like to say that the troops are making a great job none the less. I support them completely, especialy with my best friend that just got back from is second mission overthere, and my father leaving for Kandahar next august with the Valcartier contingent. Best of luck!Or should I say like we say often, «MERDE».
Even tho I support the operations in Afghanistan, I'm wondering if the current way to establish peace is the good one. I mean, we are in a «kill all the talibans» mode. For every dead fighter, theres probably three more crossing the pakistani border to fight Nato Troops. But then again, the days when the wars where fought with an army on each side of a given line are long gone...it's a new world, and we have to cope with it. Just my two cents.
I would like to say that the troops are making a great job none the less. I support them completely, especialy with my best friend that just got back from is second mission overthere, and my father leaving for Kandahar next august with the Valcartier contingent. Best of luck!Or should I say like we say often, «MERDE».
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Location: Vancouver Island
November 26th, 2006, 12:37 PM
If we all had of stayed to begin with, Afghan's would be doing much better now.
The NATO troops are making big strides in construction of schools, etc.
The Taliban don't want any of this, so, they have to be dealt with. They don't want women to have
any sort of a "life" at all, only as people to push around and control, with cruelty. They also don't
want women to have any education at all.
So, it's not just about "kill the taliban", as though we are on a "hunting trip". These are very bad
people, very violant and degrading to everyone around them. Do we all just turn a blind eye, and
enjoy our "cushy" lives here, and pretend all is well around the world. Well, it isn't.
If we all had of stayed to begin with, Afghan's would be doing much better now.
The NATO troops are making big strides in construction of schools, etc.
The Taliban don't want any of this, so, they have to be dealt with. They don't want women to have
any sort of a "life" at all, only as people to push around and control, with cruelty. They also don't
want women to have any education at all.
So, it's not just about "kill the taliban", as though we are on a "hunting trip". These are very bad
people, very violant and degrading to everyone around them. Do we all just turn a blind eye, and
enjoy our "cushy" lives here, and pretend all is well around the world. Well, it isn't.
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November 26th, 2006, 12:44 PM
I'm only concerned that he is far too gentle with them.
Quoting elevennevele
IMHO, Harper understands quite well how to talk to the Chinese.
Wolfking99, those who fight us recognize no borders between Afghanistan and Pakistan. They are a tribal culture to the south and they don’t like uninvited guests onto their land. The politicians would like to paint them as terrorist or Taliban but that becomes an absurd simplification. Those in the south that are fighting us are basically the Pashtuns and they make up the millions upon millions in the southern lands.
They’ve fought any foreign occupation from us to the Solviets, to the British all the way back to Alexander The Great.
I wrote a whole background on these people, and I did so by referencing the online encyclopedia Encarta.
http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_...ghanistan.html
And here is the message forum...
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/ca...tml#post731254
You can be sure Harper understands the situation in Afghanistan as much as he understands how to talk to the Chinese.
They’ve fought any foreign occupation from us to the Solviets, to the British all the way back to Alexander The Great.
I wrote a whole background on these people, and I did so by referencing the online encyclopedia Encarta.
http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_...ghanistan.html
And here is the message forum...
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/ca...tml#post731254
You can be sure Harper understands the situation in Afghanistan as much as he understands how to talk to the Chinese.
I'm only concerned that he is far too gentle with them.
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November 26th, 2006, 12:58 PM
[quote=#juan;750708]Well Wally, you would know drivel, having posted so much of it yourself. Why don't you tell us when, and how, we would even know if we won? I would say we won once the Afghanistan people were able to sustain thier own government free from the oppression and 3rd world conditions imposed on them by terrorist religious groups. They will let us know. Right now they are very happy that NATO is there. BTW,isn't that first line a personal insult against a member?I am considering reporting you to an administrator. Nah,I'll let it go this time.
[quote=#juan;750708]Well Wally, you would know drivel, having posted so much of it yourself. Why don't you tell us when, and how, we would even know if we won? I would say we won once the Afghanistan people were able to sustain thier own government free from the oppression and 3rd world conditions imposed on them by terrorist religious groups. They will let us know. Right now they are very happy that NATO is there. BTW,isn't that first line a personal insult against a member?I am considering reporting you to an administrator. Nah,I'll let it go this time.
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November 26th, 2006, 02:02 PM
Colpy, I'm going to answer your question in the forum where this belongs as not to take up others time here.
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/ca...s-china-2.html
Quoting Colpy
IMHO, Harper understands quite well how to talk to the Chinese.
I'm only concerned that he is far too gentle with them.
I'm only concerned that he is far too gentle with them.
Colpy, I'm going to answer your question in the forum where this belongs as not to take up others time here.
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/ca...s-china-2.html
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November 26th, 2006, 02:09 PM
This article made me smile, it's a feel good article.
Donkey mascot enjoying better life with Canadian engineers
By BILL GRAVELAND
Cpl. Jason Dunnett, of Oshawa, Ont., tends Tina, the engineer's work donkey and mascot, in Panjwaii, Afghanistan on Saturday. (CP/Bill Graveland)
PANJWAII, Afghanistan (CP) - A little white donkey has become the apple of the eye . . . for Canadian engineers in Panjwaii. Excuse the clumsy attempt at rhyming but Tina, officially known as Regulator-1 in military jargon, has troops here at this remote Canadian camp wrapped around her delicate little finger - make that hoof.
Tina was purportedly purchased from a local farmer who had beaten her, to help carry supplies such as sandbags to the top of a mountain where an observation post is being built. But her workload has been non-existent, and now Tina has received some interesting news.
"She is pregnant," confirmed medic Cpl. Shannon Fretter of Springhill, N.S.
"The veterinarians in KAF (Kandahar Air Field) pretty much gave us the pregnancy stuff and one of the master corporals has been giving her some examinations and apparently she is pregnant."
Of course being in a "delicate condition" means her workload will have to be lessened.
"She never worked anyway," scoffed Fretter. "They put one sandbag on her just to make it look good. That's what she was for, but we baby her."
Tina is so popular that personnel out in the field regularly inquire as to the welfare of Regulator-1 on the radio.
For troops looking for anything to boost their morale, the little white donkey, who has less than a congenial disposition, is just what the doctor ordered.
"She has a good life right now," said Sapper (Pte.) Jeff Quesnelle, 24, from Perkinsfield, Ont.
"Just having an animal around ups morale. It's something you can give love to and we don't expect anything in return. It's like having our pets back at home here with us."
"Even though it's a donkey and doesn't resemble a dog or a cat at all," he added, "it's something you can love."
Tina is being royally spoiled by troops at the base and was being fed Pop-Tarts during the interviews.
"She's not too happy this morning, but she was happy yesterday," worried Cpl. Jason Dunnett, 24, of Oshawa, Ont.
"But everybody takes care of her and feeds her. She's more of a pet now than anything. She has a pen, we feed her hay and apples and oranges and I think we've given her a few Pop-Tarts obviously," he chuckled.
Some of the engineers maintain Tina is still a working member of the unit, but the truth is out there.
"We'd feel kind of bad if we started using her for things like sandbags and stuff like that. That's what we originally were going to do, but I think we took too much of a liking to her," he said.
Of course if Tina does deliver a healthy baby jack or jenny, his/her regimental name is already laid out for her.
"When the baby's born it's Regulator-1 Alpha," said Fretter.
Dunnett is privately hoping that Tina is not pregnant.
"It would be a lot of work, because we chase her around when she gets loose sometimes, but we'd end up having another pet I think," he said.
This article made me smile, it's a feel good article.
Donkey mascot enjoying better life with Canadian engineers
By BILL GRAVELAND
Cpl. Jason Dunnett, of Oshawa, Ont., tends Tina, the engineer's work donkey and mascot, in Panjwaii, Afghanistan on Saturday. (CP/Bill Graveland)
PANJWAII, Afghanistan (CP) - A little white donkey has become the apple of the eye . . . for Canadian engineers in Panjwaii. Excuse the clumsy attempt at rhyming but Tina, officially known as Regulator-1 in military jargon, has troops here at this remote Canadian camp wrapped around her delicate little finger - make that hoof.
Tina was purportedly purchased from a local farmer who had beaten her, to help carry supplies such as sandbags to the top of a mountain where an observation post is being built. But her workload has been non-existent, and now Tina has received some interesting news.
"She is pregnant," confirmed medic Cpl. Shannon Fretter of Springhill, N.S.
"The veterinarians in KAF (Kandahar Air Field) pretty much gave us the pregnancy stuff and one of the master corporals has been giving her some examinations and apparently she is pregnant."
Of course being in a "delicate condition" means her workload will have to be lessened.
"She never worked anyway," scoffed Fretter. "They put one sandbag on her just to make it look good. That's what she was for, but we baby her."
Tina is so popular that personnel out in the field regularly inquire as to the welfare of Regulator-1 on the radio.
For troops looking for anything to boost their morale, the little white donkey, who has less than a congenial disposition, is just what the doctor ordered.
"She has a good life right now," said Sapper (Pte.) Jeff Quesnelle, 24, from Perkinsfield, Ont.
"Just having an animal around ups morale. It's something you can give love to and we don't expect anything in return. It's like having our pets back at home here with us."
"Even though it's a donkey and doesn't resemble a dog or a cat at all," he added, "it's something you can love."
Tina is being royally spoiled by troops at the base and was being fed Pop-Tarts during the interviews.
"She's not too happy this morning, but she was happy yesterday," worried Cpl. Jason Dunnett, 24, of Oshawa, Ont.
"But everybody takes care of her and feeds her. She's more of a pet now than anything. She has a pen, we feed her hay and apples and oranges and I think we've given her a few Pop-Tarts obviously," he chuckled.
Some of the engineers maintain Tina is still a working member of the unit, but the truth is out there.
"We'd feel kind of bad if we started using her for things like sandbags and stuff like that. That's what we originally were going to do, but I think we took too much of a liking to her," he said.
Of course if Tina does deliver a healthy baby jack or jenny, his/her regimental name is already laid out for her.
"When the baby's born it's Regulator-1 Alpha," said Fretter.
Dunnett is privately hoping that Tina is not pregnant.
"It would be a lot of work, because we chase her around when she gets loose sometimes, but we'd end up having another pet I think," he said.
