Rambrose - Ridiculous and Hypocritical

Rambrose - Ridiculous and Hypocritical

Karlin

#1Nov 17th, 2006

quote: “I won‘t get involved in French domestic politics, it‘s not my way to get involved as she did in ours‘‘ Ambrose said [at the UN Climate Conference in Nairobi this week].

How hypocritical is that when Canada is presently involved in occupying Afghanistan by military force? Isn't that being 'involved in other nations internal politics'?

Add to that the fact that global warming is caused by fossil fuel emissions that do not stay within borders, making it an issue that demands "inter-national involvement" , and Canada's current government is refusing to meet the Kyoto targets on the basis that the targets are not attainable, despite the fact that France and 40 other nations are allready meeting those targets.

Rambrose also cited economic hardship as a reason to not move faster on fossil fuel emissions reductions, to which the French Foreign Minister replied that NONE of the nations who are meeting Kyoto targets have had any economic downturn.

It is absolutely ridiculous. Rambrose is ridiculous.

BitWhys

Re: Rambrose - Ridiculous and Hypocritical

Nov 17th, 2006

If she's going to waste everyone's time at international conventions she could a least get some feistiness pointers from Gadaffi or someone else with a little entertainment value to them. This mini-Steve thing she's trying to pull off (no pun intended) hardly even plays when she has home field advantage.

Colpy

Conservative

Re: Rambrose - Ridiculous and Hypocritical

Nov 17th, 2006

oH sPARE mE!

If you want to talk hypocracy, how about that Liberal scum arsehole Godfrey in Kenya playing domestic politics at the expense of our international reputation.

He actually had the unmitigated nerve to claim the Liberals were DOING something about climate change, when our emissions rose 35%.......that is WENT UP in case anyone can't read English, and the Liberals did NOTHING.....that's N-O-T-H-I-N-G except pay lip service to an idiotic deal that would have had us sending money to China...............

And that is the truth.

Jay

Re: Rambrose - Ridiculous and Hypocritical

Nov 17th, 2006

Quote:

If she's going to waste everyone's time at international conventions

Or an international waste of time....why didn’t you send in Taliban Jack? He would have had lots to talk about with Gadaffi.

BitWhys

Re: Rambrose - Ridiculous and Hypocritical

Nov 17th, 2006

The Conservatives are supposed to be masters of their own destiny, not perrenial hapless victims. Ambrose had a year and a half to turn her "very thorough policy" into something real and in all that time the best she could come up with was a fart in the wind and a promise to take the stink out of it some time next year. And we're supposed to feel sorry for her because all she had to show for herself at the conference was excuses and empty promises? Not by my scorecard.

BitWhys

Re: Rambrose - Ridiculous and Hypocritical

Nov 17th, 2006

Quote: Originally Posted by Jay

Or an international waste of time....why didn’t you send in Taliban Jack? He would have had lots to talk about with Gadaffi.

Jack would have shown up with a fully scoped, widely approved and financially sound plan.

Tonington

Re: Rambrose - Ridiculous and Hypocritical

Nov 17th, 2006

To be fair, Kyoto was only ratified in 2002. During the Liberal minority they tried things like making greenhouse gases a controllable substance, which was handilly voted down. They did get automakers to committ to producing cars with better emission standards, thats a 5.3 megatonnes cut by 2010. Granted not much has happened, but I don't see anything happening with this act until 2010, and that is assuming the Conservatives still are the governing party.

Jay

Re: Rambrose - Ridiculous and Hypocritical

Nov 17th, 2006

Maybe the confrence and " my scorecard " aren't really the be all end all they thought they were.

Why don't you and Jack go shut down China.....

BitWhys

Re: Rambrose - Ridiculous and Hypocritical

Nov 17th, 2006

why don't you stop trolling?

Jay

#10

Re: Rambrose - Ridiculous and Hypocritical

Nov 17th, 2006

Quote:

financially sound plan.

Of course they would have, that's why Ontario votes NDP members in all the time. They are financially sound and have a great undersatnding of politics.

Jay

#11

Re: Rambrose - Ridiculous and Hypocritical

Nov 17th, 2006

Quote: Originally Posted by BitWhys

why don't you stop trolling?

Judgments like that aren’t' within your scope. Don't make them.

gearheaded1

#12

Who?

Nov 17th, 2006

Jack Layton would have a fully flushed out plan?

He barely has any seats to call himself a political party. Maybe he should work on that plan first.

Last edited by gearheaded1; Nov 17th, 2006 at 10:29 PM..Reason: typo-rama

BitWhys

#13

Re: Rambrose - Ridiculous and Hypocritical

Nov 17th, 2006

Quote: Originally Posted by Jay

Judgments like that aren’t' within your scope. Don't make them.

I don't have to.

BitWhys

#14

Re: Rambrose - Ridiculous and Hypocritical

Nov 17th, 2006

Quote: Originally Posted by gearheaded1

Jack Layton would have a fully flushed out plan?

He barely has any seats to call himself a political party. Maybe he should work on that plan first.

Jay

#15

Re: Rambrose - Ridiculous and Hypocritical

Nov 17th, 2006

Quote:

Maybe he should work on that plan first.

Careful now, noticing the obvious will have some leftie calling you a troll.

Why doesn't Jack invite "Gadaffi" in for a meeting?

Jay

#16

Re: Rambrose - Ridiculous and Hypocritical

Nov 17th, 2006

Quote:

Day-in, day-out, Jack Layton and the New Democrats are standing up to Stephen Harper and the Conservatives, holding them to account for their abysmal record on the environment.

Just like they did to the Liberals....I can see why you shed tears over this.

BitWhys

#17

Re: Rambrose - Ridiculous and Hypocritical

Nov 17th, 2006

Quote: Originally Posted by Jay

Of course they would have, that's why Ontario votes NDP members in all the time. They are financially sound and have a great undersatnding of politics.

Its called remedial fiscal measures and it saved Canada's ass even if the people who should know better won't admit it because the corporate beast won't like it. The cost of money for Rae's little venture has already been paid off, the rest is zeros on the balance sheet.

Jay

#18

Re: Rambrose - Ridiculous and Hypocritical

Nov 17th, 2006

Ya were in great shape, thanks. I'll write a letter to Rae immediately and tell him how he saved Canada even if he won't use the idea for his Liberal candidateship in public for fear of reprisal.

BitWhys

#19

Re: Rambrose - Ridiculous and Hypocritical

Nov 17th, 2006

Quote: Originally Posted by Jay

Ya were in great shape, thanks. I'll write a letter to Rae immediately and tell him how he saved Canada even if he won't use the idea for his Liberal candidateship in public for fear of reprisal.

good to hear it.

Jay

#20

Re: Rambrose - Ridiculous and Hypocritical

Nov 17th, 2006

I'm sure he will get right on it.

Bit, dont' take great offence by me. It won't serve either one of us.

gearheaded1

#21

Under the bridge...

Nov 17th, 2006

Quote: Originally Posted by Jay

Careful now, noticing the obvious will have some leftie calling you a troll.

Why doesn't Jack invite "Gadaffi" in for a meeting?

Some say it best to let sleeping dogs lie. Personally I like to poke them with a stick and run. Martin, Gadaffi, and Layton should all have a tea party. There's a photo-op.

I like trolls, they're comfortable with their scuminess.

Jay

#22

Re: Rambrose - Ridiculous and Hypocritical

Nov 17th, 2006

Quote:

Personally I like to poke them with a stick and run.

I like to hit them with missiles from the sky and let the left in Canada defend them after their dead.

Karlin

#23

Re: Rambrose - Ridiculous and Hypocritical

Dec 1st, 2006

Did'ja ever notice that when the politicians and news people talk about global warming, they NEVER say the phrase "reduce our FOSSIL FUELS emissions" ?

Thats because they want to take the heat off the real offender in global warming, FOSSIL FUELS and the corporations that sell them. Instead, they might say "pollution", or "emissions that cause global warming".

"Reduce our use of FOSSIL FUELS" must become the key phrase if we are to combat the worst effects of global warming.

Even at this late stage where we can no longer avoid serious consequences from the sudden climate shift caused by the sudden eruption of fossil fuels emissions [from burning fossil fuels] our politicans are bowing to their financial base [Harper, oil corporations] and are doing things like averting our attention to SMOG, or out of the blue, Nationhood status for Quebec.

How cynical to be doing that when Quebecers themselves say global warming is more important than their 'unique identity' crisis.

wallyj

#24

Re: Rambrose - Ridiculous and Hypocritical

Dec 1st, 2006

Quote: Originally Posted by Tonington

To be fair, Kyoto was only ratified in 2002. During the Liberal minority they tried things like making greenhouse gases a controllable substance, which was handilly voted down. They did get automakers to committ to producing cars with better emission standards, thats a 5.3 megatonnes cut by 2010. Granted not much has happened, but I don't see anything happening with this act until 2010, and that is assuming the Conservatives still are the governing party.

Not true,they had the automakers agree to voluntary controls. How did that work out? The conservatives want mandatory limits. Much better. Can anyone out there explain how buying carbon credits from other countries (KYOTO) will clean up the enviroment?

wallyj

#25

Re: Rambrose - Ridiculous and Hypocritical

Dec 1st, 2006

Just in,Iggy 29%,Rae 20%,Dion 17%,Kennedy 17%

Tonington

#26

Re: Rambrose - Ridiculous and Hypocritical

Dec 2nd, 2006

Everything I said still fits voluntary, I don't see the problem with what I said. I really don't know how the emissions have changed since then. If the Harper government makes the auto industry targets mandatory that's great. The conservatives haven't made anything mandatory yet, with nothing hard until 2020, until then it's all "intensity" which is laughable.

Karlin

#27

Re: Rambrose - Ridiculous and Hypocritical

Dec 2nd, 2006

I agree, "intensity" is a dodge,and so is trading carbon credits. What has to happen is to reduce fossil fuels emissions.

In that regard, I would worry about any of the initiatives that tinker around with making fossil fuels burn cleaner.Its not a bad thing in itself, but what many people see is a shift to other energy sources so we have got to start setting that infrastructure up. Not just one of them either, but several choices for fuels at a string of service stations. That would get many people to convert to electric cars, biodiesel, hydrogen, natural gas, etc etc.

We MUST get automakers to startproducing more hybrids etc - there is a waiting list of buyers for them, so it makes good economiv sense, its just the oil interests that tell them not too - this can be overcome somehow, with laws maybe? How do we tell the people to lay off ?

California/Oregon is setting up a highway corridor with some re-fueling for alternative fuels, and it is now possible to buy bio diesel at stations as you drive across the USA.

Tonington

#28

Re: Rambrose - Ridiculous and Hypocritical

Dec 2nd, 2006

If GM want to remain competitive in the future, and I mean more so than now, they should try to release their hydrogen vehicles before 2011. Honda and BMW will both have hydrogen vehicles coming out which are a huge step above existing hydrogen fuel celled vehicles sold by Honda in Asia.

Shell is partnered with GM for the refueling stations and the hydrogen fuel celled vehicles. Hondas version allows you to create your own hydrogen from your existing natural gas hook-up, and can supply your house with electricity. This generator can reduce a households total emission footprint in regards to CO2 by 20%. This will be released in 2008, a full three years ahead of GM who has not even built an HFC vehicle.

Karlin

#29

Re: Rambrose - Ridiculous and Hypocritical

Dec 8th, 2006

Thats great news Tonington.Thanks for that.

I will still complain - there was no reason that ALL of those upcoming improvements for alternative fuels for vehicles could not have been set up allready, even afew yearsago, when it would have done a lot more good.
We need to hurry up - every day we continue at this 'emissions level' will cost us much more than taking actions now.

Here is a link to Al Gore interview ["his Adequacy"]
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He says it is not too late to stop this crisis, but that is just so we don't get all hopeless and do nothing. The crisis WILL hit us hard, but if we do nothing at all about our fossil fuels emissions and methane emissions it will be much more than just "a crisis".

Karlin

#30

Dion echoes CanCon "ridiculous" phrase

Dec 14th, 2006

Dec 14 2006
Today in a news conferance, Stephane Dion, the new Liberal Party Leader, used a phrase that he no doubt read right here at our little forum :
"Canada was RIDICULOUS at Nairobi" [at the UN climate conferance held there recently].

HA!! and to think I coined that phrase "Rambrose was Ridiculous" in the title to this thread.
- or did I read it somewhere?

Now if the House would start calling Ms.Ambrose "Rambrose" [as in Rambo of the climate change deniers, or Rambling Rose as in an old tired song], I might think I was onto something.

Goofin' Around -
Karlin

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