Playing Devil's Advocate with the Canadian Monarchy

[sanctus]

Just sort of passing around a pet idea I have had regarding the monrachy. I come from a mixed background in terms of views towards retaining the monarchy. My dad's family, staunch RC French-Canadians, are almost all for the idea of severing all ties with the Queen.

My mother's family, immigrants from Hungary, are strong Royalists.

We have, obviously, had a few discussions in our day, at family gatherings, on the topic of the Queen, and/or the monarchy in general.

One idea I keep presenting, which I shall now share with all of you is that if we must retain the monarchy in this country, and keeping in mind the reasonable objections some citizens have for what they regard as a "foreign" Queen, why not create our own Canadian based monarchy?

In other words, bring someone like Prince Andrew over and crown him as a bona fide, live in Ottawa, Canadian King.
Or, in that same vein, any other person of royal blood we could press into a fully Canadian monarchy.

Maybe those who have objections to the monarchy might be more favourable of the monarch actually lived and did his work in Ottawa 24/7.

any comments?

 

[#juan]

why not create our own Canadian based monarchy?

I would go along with that idea. I don't know if a majority of Canadians would support it, but I do like the idea of an apolitical head of state. Prince Andrew is one idea, but I wonder if it would be possible to have a "Canadian" monarch? I doubt it. Another problem might be how to make it permanent. The changing political tides in this country would likely make the monarch's continued existance a little precarious.

 

[tamarin]

Such a system would devalue the idea of monarchy. If a popular vote were held today, given the implosion of IQ in western society over the last 20 years, we'd probably end up with a Britney Spears lookalike with a tattoo of a lion on her ass. I want some modicum of tradition here. As Canada fades on the world stage it's the least those of Old Canada deserve.

 

[the caracal kid]

I would not support a "made in canada monarchy". It is long past time to stop feeling the need to live in the past. We can respect the past without being held back by it.

The most likely path to removal of the monarchy is the collapse of canada. When the old system completely fails, then a new system, and a new geopolitical reality can arise. Goodbye to the queen, goodbye to canada, I say.

 

[sanctus]

I would not support a "made in canada monarchy". It is long past time to stop feeling the need to live in the past. We can respect the past without being held back by it..

You know, lots of people say "living in the past" about allot of things, but in truth, it is hardly living in the past when you think about it another way. In other words, the monarchy is not something from the past. It exists today.

 

[sanctus]

IThe most likely path to removal of the monarchy is the collapse of canada. When the old system completely fails, then a new system, and a new geopolitical reality can arise. Goodbye to the queen, goodbye to canada, I say.

why would the two event co-incide? What makes you think our country is incapable of such a transition from monarchy to republic?

 

[sanctus]

Such a system would devalue the idea of monarchy. If a popular vote were held today, given the implosion of IQ in western society over the last 20 years, we'd probably end up with a Britney Spears lookalike with a tattoo of a lion on her ass. I want some modicum of tradition here. As Canada fades on the world stage it's the least those of Old Canada deserve.

But seeking an existing Royal to start a branch of the family here, Prince andrew as I suggested earlier, would maintain that link, don't you think?Since when is the moarchy about being popular?

 

[sanctus]

I would go along with that idea. I don't know if a majority of Canadians would support it, but I do like the idea of an apolitical head of state. Prince Andrew is one idea, but I wonder if it would be possible to have a "Canadian" monarch? I doubt it. Another problem might be how to make it permanent. The changing political tides in this country would likely make the monarch's continued existance a little precarious.

When you think about it, we have all the apparatus already. Rideau Hall as official residence, the whole political system.How to make it permanent. Well we'd probably have to follow the same "rules" of monarchy the world over. In other words, King Andrew 1st would begin aCanadian version of the Royal Family.

 

[John Muff]

Monarchy has no ground in Canada

Hi there,

So if we follow the "history", as we are talking about... The monarch of our past would have "captured" lands owned by nations peoples of Kanada, as they were calling it back then. The real question we must ask ourselves is: Do we really need any crown governing Canadian soils ? Redistributing Crown lands to still living amerindians in Canada. Quebecers, for instance may somewhat feel more understood if we would leave past stories behind...

I do not advocate for anything in particular. I still don't believe in any current system of government that can consider itself safe of violations and misjugments.

I would wish that a government would be constituted of a small group of professionals to key core cabinet post, travelling the world to show how we can grow our market... The remaining "ministers" would all be divided equally in Provinces/territories and in their line of specialisation, i.e: health, security/army, ect... They would never cross to provincial responsibilities, their "federal" duties would then be evaluated as a need rather than a fixed envelope with others in the last line. We have for sure an history in terms of hidden budgets discovered b4 an election... trust me... Money would be divided in a way that noone is left alone in the province in hard time... All provinces could share their gains/losses without asking if they'll be forgotten in the turn. "Not to mention the still "unfinished" deal about the fiscal imbalances between provinces.

But after all, I'm just speeking for nothing to ever move... We are ruled by peoples we haven't really elected... We vote for local contenders affiliated with a certain chief. In exemple: Right now, if an election is called, who is "in charge" in the Liberal group of happy little man...

If we would vote for professionals, we would endorse someone qualifications into something specific. Do you fully trust and are aware of your local representative into the chamber ? I would like to be aware of what i'm voting for. Belinda may have saved the Liberals when she crossed the flood, and she had all the rights to do it. I don't juge her, it just show how our system is so week.

Womens unfortunately don't have the "big and dirty" mouth that men often have. They are, therefore, not interested in sharing their political views with Canadian in a proportionate and statistical mark of 50%, 50%. Remember how we always say that our mothers are always right, no matter what... Politicial and their "Big Heads" may have miss that...

It's just what I think...

Have a good one.

Muff

 

[tamarin]

No Canadian royal family. No set of buffoons in Rideau Hall. The present system is just fine. If the monarchy was to be dumped as a consequence of Canadian policy decisions enacted in the 70's and 80's, Canadians should have been told upfront this is what might happen 30 years down the road. I support Old Canada. It built what this nation is and it should be respected. As I'll say daily, if you voted for Pierre Trudeau, shame on you. You can't leave fast enough.

 

[talloola]

tradition

my grandfather was born in London. He fought in boer war, world war 1, and immigrated to Canada as
well. He was a loyal person toward the monarchy, and if we talked at all about removing the monarchy
from this country he would bhave been thoroughly insulted, so, I vote to keep the Queen and all who follow her,
as I will continue to respect my grandfather's traditional belief, and he was given the freedom of London,
and was so proud of his heritage.

To bring one of them to this country to live and stand in as our king/queen is an interesting thought, I
think even my grandfather would have liked that idea, but i'm not sure any of them want to spend their
lives in this country.

 

[s_lone]

I'm fundamentally against monarchy.

But hey, if we're gonna have it, it might as well be Canadian... I propose myself as Lord of Quebec...

 

[EastSideScotian]

Naw it should stay the same. My Family are Loyalist From Sask and NB.....Scotish, Hungarian, British and Welsh decendents....I think all my family is for the Monarchy, its symbolic of who we are and where we come from and what we have been founded on.

The Americans are the ones who didnt want them the Canadians were Loyal and so we should stay Loyal as respect to our past.....

 

[Dexter Sinister]

I think this is a case of "If it's not broken don't fix it." There's nothing intrinsically wrong with the system, there's no serious problem that abandoning the monarchy would solve, and it's not a simple thing to change. Best leave it alone.

 

[MikeyDB]

Dexter

Do you happen to know how much money gets spent/paid to the British monarchy?

What have they done for us lately?

 

[Dalreg]

Such a system would devalue the idea of monarchy. If a popular vote were held today, given the implosion of IQ in western society over the last 20 years, we'd probably end up with a Britney Spears lookalike with a tattoo of a lion on her ass. I want some modicum of tradition here. As Canada fades on the world stage it's the least those of Old Canada deserve.

Come on now Pamela Anderson doesn't have a tattoo of a lion on her ass. At least not the last time I saw it.

 

[John Muff]

Being Canadian, being blind and loving it...

Hi there,

I guess being Canadian for all of you mean that we need to follow our ancesters even if they often have been wrong. In you mind, I ask you all, you respect every aspect of they thinking, Do you endorse Hiro & Naga in Japan, the reason that this war has stop... We are back to square 1, fearing for our peace cause of the nuclear weapons... I'm just questioning most of your comments: our grandfathers and ancestors lived in a different era which doesn't apply anymore. Furthermore, we are way more technically advanced than they were.

We don't betray anyone in having our own beliefs and judgment on things... Society is great when it's citizen understand what their choices mean. Could you guess the proportion of times that a government dosen't follow one of it's voters choices. Even when clear majority doesn't support a decision. We elect switching governments not because of the BQ, but because we cannot trust the actual system to do what we want it to do. Citizens shouldn't have to go down the street to voice their opinions in the 21st century. It's just because they don't care about what we say.

Revamping the system from it's roots seems the best action to take. With all the respect I pay to the crown for having respected our beliefs and faith. We are still unnecessarily bounded to a monarchy that doesn't represent us. At least speeking from a PQ point of view... I would love to see my Canadian neighbors welcome a French Quebec in it's Constitution... signed by everyones...

Canada deserve a unique identity as it deserve a permanent seat on the UN Security Council. It also deserve a well funded system that can address problem as global warming as A LEADER, not to say THE LEADER. We have "wussies" fearing for 1000 of their problems, while we pay the bills.

Canadian problems are not crown issues nor european matters...

We also have to be able to "Slap" the United-States with "compansatory fee's" for their products crossing the border affecting our local markets... The reason they imposed trade overbilling on our softwood.

We have a week power that could do way more to keep us safe & happy.

I respect everyone in their point of views, but be sure that many of your ancestors may have made mistakes and things you would NEVER do today back in their old times...

Have a good one...

Muff