Newbie
Posts: 14 
August 31st, 2006, 11:45 AM
For those of you that have never been out to a Canadian Institute for International Affairs(CIIA) event before - they usually consist of the following:
1) A brief speech by each of the panelists.
2) Some heated debate back and forth
3) Many questions and comments from the floor (this could be you)
4) Mingling while drinking wine and eating cheese afterwards.
So, if you are in the Toronto area - this is a great chance to actually get your opinions heard by influential people and actually make a difference. Past speakers at CIIA events have included former Prime Ministers, various ambassadors to Canada, cabinet ministers etc.
At the very least, you'll meet other real life people who have just as much opinion as yourself, when it comes to debating Canadian politics.
The intention is for the panel to be non-partisan which is why we have three panelists with three very different backgrounds and perspectives.
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HOT OR NOT?
Canada’s Post-Kyoto Strategy for Tackling Global Warming
Hotly contesting the topic will be:
Peter Foster - Columnist, National Post and author
Dr. Thomas Homer-Dixon - Director, Trudeau Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies, UofT and author of ‘The Ingenuity Gap’
Elizabeth May - Leader, Federal Green Party
Date and Time:
Thursday, 21 September 2006 at 6pm
Event followed by Wine & Cheese Reception
Location: King Edward Hotel, Windsor Ballroom, 37 King St. East
Price:
Students: $10 (members) and $15 (non-members) - limited seating
Early Bird Price (until 1st Sept): $20 (members) and $30 (non-members)
2nd to 20th Sept: $25 (members) and $35 (non-members)
Event Day: $30 (members) and $40 (non-members)
Registration:
To purchase tickets for this event, call: 416-977-9000 (ext. 26) or e-mail: toevents@ciia.org. Provide your name, no. of tickets*, phone, e-mail & credit card information. View the flyer.
For those of you that have never been out to a Canadian Institute for International Affairs(CIIA) event before - they usually consist of the following:
1) A brief speech by each of the panelists.
2) Some heated debate back and forth
3) Many questions and comments from the floor (this could be you)
4) Mingling while drinking wine and eating cheese afterwards.
So, if you are in the Toronto area - this is a great chance to actually get your opinions heard by influential people and actually make a difference. Past speakers at CIIA events have included former Prime Ministers, various ambassadors to Canada, cabinet ministers etc.
At the very least, you'll meet other real life people who have just as much opinion as yourself, when it comes to debating Canadian politics.
The intention is for the panel to be non-partisan which is why we have three panelists with three very different backgrounds and perspectives.
---------------------------------------
HOT OR NOT?
Canada’s Post-Kyoto Strategy for Tackling Global Warming
Hotly contesting the topic will be:
Peter Foster - Columnist, National Post and author
Dr. Thomas Homer-Dixon - Director, Trudeau Centre for Peace & Conflict Studies, UofT and author of ‘The Ingenuity Gap’
Elizabeth May - Leader, Federal Green Party
Date and Time:
Thursday, 21 September 2006 at 6pm
Event followed by Wine & Cheese Reception
Location: King Edward Hotel, Windsor Ballroom, 37 King St. East
Price:
Students: $10 (members) and $15 (non-members) - limited seating
Early Bird Price (until 1st Sept): $20 (members) and $30 (non-members)
2nd to 20th Sept: $25 (members) and $35 (non-members)
Event Day: $30 (members) and $40 (non-members)
Registration:
To purchase tickets for this event, call: 416-977-9000 (ext. 26) or e-mail: toevents@ciia.org. Provide your name, no. of tickets*, phone, e-mail & credit card information. View the flyer.
Newbie
Posts: 36
Location: Ottawa Ontario
Location: Ottawa Ontario
August 31st, 2006, 01:16 PM
I do not agree with Global Warming simply because there is no evidence to prove that issue. Kyoto is nothing but a joke invented by lefty social engineers.
Thousands of years ago the North Pole was the equator.
So what we have now is a global SHIFT not Global Warming.
There is no evidence supporting Global Warming but there is evidence of Global Shifting.
Hell scientists from Calagary in 1959 did research on Cornwallis Island in the high arctic ( I was there at the time) and a part of what they discovered was that thousands of years ago there were palm trees there, monkeys, apes, bananas, dates etal. No snow or ice.
This global warming issue is a complete farce and the David Suzuki Foundation is even clueless when it comes to polluted air in Southern Ontario. They do not know that the poor AQI ( Air Quality Index ) occurs ONLY when the winds blow from the SSW. What that means is the polluted air arrives here from the industrial heartland of the USA which is the Ohio Valley. I have been to Akron Ohio and the number of smokestacks there is numerous. Ai r Pollution? Yes indeed.
Anyhow going to that meeting would be a waste of time because the lefty's there like the Green Party will not listen to common sense.
I do not agree with Global Warming simply because there is no evidence to prove that issue. Kyoto is nothing but a joke invented by lefty social engineers.
Thousands of years ago the North Pole was the equator.
So what we have now is a global SHIFT not Global Warming.
There is no evidence supporting Global Warming but there is evidence of Global Shifting.
Hell scientists from Calagary in 1959 did research on Cornwallis Island in the high arctic ( I was there at the time) and a part of what they discovered was that thousands of years ago there were palm trees there, monkeys, apes, bananas, dates etal. No snow or ice.
This global warming issue is a complete farce and the David Suzuki Foundation is even clueless when it comes to polluted air in Southern Ontario. They do not know that the poor AQI ( Air Quality Index ) occurs ONLY when the winds blow from the SSW. What that means is the polluted air arrives here from the industrial heartland of the USA which is the Ohio Valley. I have been to Akron Ohio and the number of smokestacks there is numerous. Ai r Pollution? Yes indeed.
Anyhow going to that meeting would be a waste of time because the lefty's there like the Green Party will not listen to common sense.
Super Genius
Posts: 1,274
August 31st, 2006, 02:58 PM
GG, you have your head in the sand - there is a vast body of evidence supporting the idea that the global warming that is taking place is a result of the 150million metric tonnes per year of carbon dioxide we emit thru the burning of fossil fuels.
There is now a "scientific consensus" - worldwide - that agrees with this statement.
People who continue to parrot the doubts about global warming, that corporate propaganda concerning this topic, should be jailed as a threat to the human race.
I don't know why I even reply to such frustrating and mind numbingingly blather as you are writing. Maybe someone else reads it and might think you have a point, I guess thats why. But there is no more debate, you are OUT!!
k
GG, you have your head in the sand - there is a vast body of evidence supporting the idea that the global warming that is taking place is a result of the 150million metric tonnes per year of carbon dioxide we emit thru the burning of fossil fuels.
There is now a "scientific consensus" - worldwide - that agrees with this statement.
People who continue to parrot the doubts about global warming, that corporate propaganda concerning this topic, should be jailed as a threat to the human race.
I don't know why I even reply to such frustrating and mind numbingingly blather as you are writing. Maybe someone else reads it and might think you have a point, I guess thats why. But there is no more debate, you are OUT!!
k
Running out of ranks
Posts: 8,366 
August 31st, 2006, 03:15 PM
But it's OK to parrot leftist propaganda about this (like the above) and you shouldn't go to jail.....
There is no more debate eh? Says who? Karlin the scientist?
What about all the other scientists that don't belong to this consensus? Doesn't sound like a consensus to me and with people saying there is no debate to be had, well what are we to think about that?
And before you go saying that all these scientists work for the oil companies you have to prove it and you have to prove that is their motive. I have already published a link to a website with these scientists on it and challenged you and others to refute what they say, and guess what.....you didn't do it.
But it's OK to parrot leftist propaganda about this (like the above) and you shouldn't go to jail.....
There is no more debate eh? Says who? Karlin the scientist?
What about all the other scientists that don't belong to this consensus? Doesn't sound like a consensus to me and with people saying there is no debate to be had, well what are we to think about that?
And before you go saying that all these scientists work for the oil companies you have to prove it and you have to prove that is their motive. I have already published a link to a website with these scientists on it and challenged you and others to refute what they say, and guess what.....you didn't do it.
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Because if you continue to repeat the lie you think it will come true?
I don't know why I even reply to such frustrating and mind numbingingly blather as you are writing.
Genius
Posts: 998
Location: Was Victoria, now Ottawa
Location: Was Victoria, now Ottawa
August 31st, 2006, 03:41 PM
Global temperatures have risen every year. The hottest year on the planet? 2006. The one before that? 2005. Ocean temperatures rising, drought, ice caps melting, this isn't proof? The prevailing scientific opinion on climate change is that most of the warming observed over the last 50 years is attributable to human activities. Only a small minority of climate scientists discount the role that humanity's actions have played in recent warming.
Global warming has led to negative glacier mass balance, causing glacier retreat around the world. Just look at Iceland as an example.
According to the Canadian Ice Service, the amount of ice in Canada's eastern Arctic Archipelago decreased by 15% between 1969 and 2004. Why do you think Harper wants to secure Canadas north? He is planning for the opening of the Northwest Passage in summer in approximately ten years.
There is a cancer epedemic. It is caused by pollution. People who have never smoked are getting lung cancer. We need to improve the environment.
Global temperatures have risen every year. The hottest year on the planet? 2006. The one before that? 2005. Ocean temperatures rising, drought, ice caps melting, this isn't proof? The prevailing scientific opinion on climate change is that most of the warming observed over the last 50 years is attributable to human activities. Only a small minority of climate scientists discount the role that humanity's actions have played in recent warming.
Global warming has led to negative glacier mass balance, causing glacier retreat around the world. Just look at Iceland as an example.
According to the Canadian Ice Service, the amount of ice in Canada's eastern Arctic Archipelago decreased by 15% between 1969 and 2004. Why do you think Harper wants to secure Canadas north? He is planning for the opening of the Northwest Passage in summer in approximately ten years.
There is a cancer epedemic. It is caused by pollution. People who have never smoked are getting lung cancer. We need to improve the environment.
Newbie
Posts: 36
Location: Ottawa Ontario
Location: Ottawa Ontario
August 31st, 2006, 05:02 PM
Lung Cancer caused by the environment? What a crock of BS! Lung cancer occured in the 1500's 1600's 1700's 1800's 1900's. Why did some folks die of cancer? Because of smoking? No ! Many did and many did not. It has to do with ones immune system.
And as for the BS for Global Warming that is 100% BS spread by the lefties who do not know what they are talking about! All they do is spin doctor crap to scare folks. Global warming is a crock of BS!!
These idiots refuse to accept that the north pole once was the equator and it was. They refuse to accept that the Carribean was frozen along with many places across the Atlantic and Pacific.
Ho hum the lefty BS continues ad naseum !!
In Oinktown aka Toronto they have a snotrag attitude and think they are the number one place in Canada. well they are the bottom of the pit and they know nothing!!
Lung Cancer caused by the environment? What a crock of BS! Lung cancer occured in the 1500's 1600's 1700's 1800's 1900's. Why did some folks die of cancer? Because of smoking? No ! Many did and many did not. It has to do with ones immune system.
And as for the BS for Global Warming that is 100% BS spread by the lefties who do not know what they are talking about! All they do is spin doctor crap to scare folks. Global warming is a crock of BS!!
These idiots refuse to accept that the north pole once was the equator and it was. They refuse to accept that the Carribean was frozen along with many places across the Atlantic and Pacific.
Ho hum the lefty BS continues ad naseum !!
In Oinktown aka Toronto they have a snotrag attitude and think they are the number one place in Canada. well they are the bottom of the pit and they know nothing!!
Bright Spark
Posts: 313
August 31st, 2006, 05:26 PM
Global warming has become an industry
"4) Mingling while drinking wine and eating cheese afterwards."
Let's see. Strip off the trees or natural grasses and plant grape vines. Use water, fertilizers, ENERGY.... cheese?...more energy..more degregation of the environmnet....maybe even imported cheeses and wines..more ENERGY. chill the white wines...more ENERGY...keep the cheese in the coolers...more ENERGY.
At least we're all relieved to know all the participants will be walking or riding their bikes to the discussion
I'm a whacky environmentalist. I'm somewhat saddened, however, that the environment as an issue has been hijacked by groups to push their own agendas. The culture of Global warming (not the actual issue) has become a religion of braindead parroting cultists who couldn't even draw a carbon molecule but claim 'to know' the Truth.
Global warming has become an industry
"4) Mingling while drinking wine and eating cheese afterwards."
Let's see. Strip off the trees or natural grasses and plant grape vines. Use water, fertilizers, ENERGY.... cheese?...more energy..more degregation of the environmnet....maybe even imported cheeses and wines..more ENERGY. chill the white wines...more ENERGY...keep the cheese in the coolers...more ENERGY.
At least we're all relieved to know all the participants will be walking or riding their bikes to the discussion
I'm a whacky environmentalist. I'm somewhat saddened, however, that the environment as an issue has been hijacked by groups to push their own agendas. The culture of Global warming (not the actual issue) has become a religion of braindead parroting cultists who couldn't even draw a carbon molecule but claim 'to know' the Truth.
Chief Mogrifier
Posts: 8,795
August 31st, 2006, 06:08 PM
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You sir, have no idea what you are talking about. There were cases of cancer in the sixteen hundreds but the cases were rare. Today, Cancer is one of the leading killers. Ask your doctor what causes Cancer.
Lung Cancer caused by the environment? What a crock of BS! Lung cancer occured in the 1500's 1600's 1700's 1800's 1900's. Why did some folks die of cancer? Because of smoking? No ! Many did and many did not. It has to do with ones immune system.
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You are completely wrong again. A majority of meteorological scientists in the world today agree that global warming is a serious problem.
And as for the BS for Global Warming that is 100% BS spread by the lefties who do not know what they are talking about! All they do is spin doctor crap to scare folks. Global warming is a crock of BS!!
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Tell me, G.G. where do you get your information? Show us a link to a reliable source that backs up what you are saying.
These idiots refuse to accept that the north pole once was the equator and it was. They refuse to accept that the Carribean was frozen along with many places across the Atlantic and Pacific.
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Not worth an answer.
Ho hum the lefty BS continues ad naseum !!
In Oinktown aka Toronto they have a snotrag attitude and think they are the number one place in Canada. well they are the bottom of the pit and they know nothing!!
In Oinktown aka Toronto they have a snotrag attitude and think they are the number one place in Canada. well they are the bottom of the pit and they know nothing!!
Newbie
Posts: 36
Location: Ottawa Ontario
Location: Ottawa Ontario
August 31st, 2006, 06:30 PM
Juan: Get it right ok!
Cancer has been around for centuries . Some scientific checks of those who died even in the 1500's were of cancer. Immune systems that are weak will allow cancer to kill them. I know folks who are in their late 80's and early 90's who still smoke and they do not have cancer.
As for Arctic you have no idea what you are talking about. There were three scientists who arrived in Resolute Bay in 1959 and did deep research by drilling 600 feet down and analyzed the results. The North Poll was in fact the equator thousands of years ago. That is a fact !!
Global warming is BS !!! It is a lefty piece of junk along with Kyoto which is a farce. But then again lefty's cannot handle truth facts or reality so they go ahead and spin nonsense.
This has been going on for decades.
Juan: Get it right ok!
Cancer has been around for centuries . Some scientific checks of those who died even in the 1500's were of cancer. Immune systems that are weak will allow cancer to kill them. I know folks who are in their late 80's and early 90's who still smoke and they do not have cancer.
As for Arctic you have no idea what you are talking about. There were three scientists who arrived in Resolute Bay in 1959 and did deep research by drilling 600 feet down and analyzed the results. The North Poll was in fact the equator thousands of years ago. That is a fact !!
Global warming is BS !!! It is a lefty piece of junk along with Kyoto which is a farce. But then again lefty's cannot handle truth facts or reality so they go ahead and spin nonsense.
This has been going on for decades.
Chief Mogrifier
Posts: 8,795
August 31st, 2006, 06:49 PM
Show us some documentation. Your arguments are all over the map. What scientific checks? Now you are saying that the problem of those who got cancer is weak immune systems. Where did that information come from?
"Three scientists arrived in Resolute Bay" Which three scientists? Give us names. Give us dates. You do know that certain geological horizons will have sea shells in them no matter where you drill.
I asked for some verification of your tall stories and you give us more nonsense.
The only BS is what you are spreading.
Show us some documentation. Your arguments are all over the map. What scientific checks? Now you are saying that the problem of those who got cancer is weak immune systems. Where did that information come from?
"Three scientists arrived in Resolute Bay" Which three scientists? Give us names. Give us dates. You do know that certain geological horizons will have sea shells in them no matter where you drill.
I asked for some verification of your tall stories and you give us more nonsense.
The only BS is what you are spreading.
Newbie
Posts: 14
August 31st, 2006, 07:53 PM
Athabaska,
This is a non-partisan group, without an agenda other than to provide some knowledgable participants to lead a debate and stimulate ideas.
I am sure though, that if anyone really did care about the environment, they would all live in caves, or mud huts, and eat nothing but bark and berries.
How dare anyone who cares about the planet eat cheese or drink wine!!!
If only I had your address, I could send you some sort of hypocrisy-exposing merit badge.
Athabaska,
This is a non-partisan group, without an agenda other than to provide some knowledgable participants to lead a debate and stimulate ideas.
I am sure though, that if anyone really did care about the environment, they would all live in caves, or mud huts, and eat nothing but bark and berries.
How dare anyone who cares about the planet eat cheese or drink wine!!!
If only I had your address, I could send you some sort of hypocrisy-exposing merit badge.
Running out of ranks
Posts: 8,366
August 31st, 2006, 08:01 PM
Just for fun.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3631764.stm
http://www.world-mysteries.com/sci_2.htm
http://www.bordet.be/historic/cancer/engl/index.htm
Just for fun.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3631764.stm
http://www.world-mysteries.com/sci_2.htm
http://www.bordet.be/historic/cancer/engl/index.htm
Bright Spark
Posts: 313
August 31st, 2006, 08:18 PM
Gentle giant. you are confusing two phenomenon. The Earth spins on its axis and has a 'geographic' North Pole. This isn't to be confused with the current land mass of the 'geologic' North Pole (the same applies to the south). With convection currents, etc. there is Continental drifting of plates. Yes, one can find ample evidence of tropical conditions at some time in the distant past of most land masses. This, however, has litle to do with the temperatures of the time but is a result of where those land masses were situated on the surface of the globe.
If I have a glass of water and and mesure the temperature at the equator and then move the thermometer to the North pole, the temperature will be different. It has nothing to do with the North pole being warmer even though there may be a record of that particular glass of water once being warmer. Similarly, the land masses move across the surface of the Earth and because the land mass was once warmer doesn't mean the temperatures were warmer where the land mass is located today.
Yes, temperatures have warmed and cooled many times over the last 4 billion years. Sometimes quite dramatically but it is a separate issue of what we find in the geologic record of a particular location. Some of Antarctic land mass was quite tropical at one time but not because the South pole was tropical but because the land mass was much closer to the equator.
(note: none of this has anything to do with the 'magnetic' poles which is a completely different issue which isn't relevent to temperature, geology, drift, etc.)
Gentle giant. you are confusing two phenomenon. The Earth spins on its axis and has a 'geographic' North Pole. This isn't to be confused with the current land mass of the 'geologic' North Pole (the same applies to the south). With convection currents, etc. there is Continental drifting of plates. Yes, one can find ample evidence of tropical conditions at some time in the distant past of most land masses. This, however, has litle to do with the temperatures of the time but is a result of where those land masses were situated on the surface of the globe.
If I have a glass of water and and mesure the temperature at the equator and then move the thermometer to the North pole, the temperature will be different. It has nothing to do with the North pole being warmer even though there may be a record of that particular glass of water once being warmer. Similarly, the land masses move across the surface of the Earth and because the land mass was once warmer doesn't mean the temperatures were warmer where the land mass is located today.
Yes, temperatures have warmed and cooled many times over the last 4 billion years. Sometimes quite dramatically but it is a separate issue of what we find in the geologic record of a particular location. Some of Antarctic land mass was quite tropical at one time but not because the South pole was tropical but because the land mass was much closer to the equator.
(note: none of this has anything to do with the 'magnetic' poles which is a completely different issue which isn't relevent to temperature, geology, drift, etc.)
Genius
Posts: 998
Location: Was Victoria, now Ottawa
Location: Was Victoria, now Ottawa
August 31st, 2006, 09:24 PM
The air we breath has more carcinogens then ever before. Gas that we used to fill our cars up until the 70’s had huge amounts of lead in it. That lead went into the air and never breaks down. We are breathing it now. Breathing in lead can give you cancer.
The air we breath has more carcinogens then ever before. Gas that we used to fill our cars up until the 70’s had huge amounts of lead in it. That lead went into the air and never breaks down. We are breathing it now. Breathing in lead can give you cancer.
