Ponderous Intellect
Posts: 3,859 
Location: Victoria, BC
Location: Victoria, BC
August 22nd, 2006, 11:52 AM
Here is a transcript of a 2002 court case against VICS that I found pretty interesting. Also on the site are photos of what their grow room looked like after a police raid ... you'll note one of the confiscated plants was a government provided seed.
Seems like everyone isn't on the same legal page here. There's all kinds of news on their main page about the issue.
http://www.thevics.com/rvlucas.htm
I have fibromyalgia ... serious enough to have put me onto disability. I, personally, haven't smoked dope since I was about 20 years old. Never did like it all that much and over the past couple of decades grew to hate the effects of it. Still do, to this day. Using medical marijuana is a trade-off for me. If I want a decent night's sleep, the narcotics I'm given so freely and legally only work for about 2 hours so the only real option I have is to use medical pot. I only consume it before going to bed since I hate how it feels, but it does give me some relief from the symptoms of my fibro. It works.
My doctor would much rather have me use pot than Percocet ... and I agree. I wish I could use it through the day as well! It's way more effective for pain management, it's non-addictive, it's better all round for me, but unfortunately I'm unable to do so since I dislike the effects.
My partner has MS. She is often in such pain that she is literally sick to her stomach. The narcotics don't even touch the pain, but the pot does. VICS has several different options available and she finds she can use some for day, other forms for night. It's been a godsend for her.
Here are some more interesting links on the subject:
Cannabis Health site ... http://www.cannabishealth.com/site/
Cannabis Research site ... http://safeaccess.ca/research/
There is lots of good info out there. I truly believe that folks are better off smoking dope than drinking, but that is nothing more than personal opinion. As far as medical use, I think it should be added to the arsenal of drugs already available and dispensed through a pharmacy.
I believe there should be a two pronged approach to the whole legal issue ... on one hand, recreational users should be able to pick up their pot at a liquor store, pay the luxury tax on it and enjoy, while medical users should have their pot doled out the same we we get our narcotics and antibiotics.
Someone mentioned that sexual predators get less jail time than people selling pot. There is something inherently wrong with a system that applies its laws in this manner. Something is broken somewhere -- and someone is benefitting somewhere. It may be as simple as making the police statistics look good because they get so many convictions for pot use. *shrug* No idea, but somebody, somewhere is getting some good out of this. It's exactly like the prohibition ... a fool's errand.
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Ummm ... yes and no. There are still tons of court battles raging over medical use of marijuana as well as police harrassment. I was outside the VICS (Vancouver Island Compassion Society) recently and wasn't at all surprised to see a ghost cop car cruising slowly by, looking into the windows, noting all the vehicles on the block (mine included). I didn't flip him the bird as I so desparately wanted to, but someone should have. Quoting
It is legal for medical purposes.. has been for years.
true...u think they shuld at least legalize it for medical reasons?
Here is a transcript of a 2002 court case against VICS that I found pretty interesting. Also on the site are photos of what their grow room looked like after a police raid ... you'll note one of the confiscated plants was a government provided seed.
Seems like everyone isn't on the same legal page here. There's all kinds of news on their main page about the issue. http://www.thevics.com/rvlucas.htm
I have fibromyalgia ... serious enough to have put me onto disability. I, personally, haven't smoked dope since I was about 20 years old. Never did like it all that much and over the past couple of decades grew to hate the effects of it. Still do, to this day. Using medical marijuana is a trade-off for me. If I want a decent night's sleep, the narcotics I'm given so freely and legally only work for about 2 hours so the only real option I have is to use medical pot. I only consume it before going to bed since I hate how it feels, but it does give me some relief from the symptoms of my fibro. It works.
My doctor would much rather have me use pot than Percocet ... and I agree. I wish I could use it through the day as well! It's way more effective for pain management, it's non-addictive, it's better all round for me, but unfortunately I'm unable to do so since I dislike the effects.
My partner has MS. She is often in such pain that she is literally sick to her stomach. The narcotics don't even touch the pain, but the pot does. VICS has several different options available and she finds she can use some for day, other forms for night. It's been a godsend for her.
Here are some more interesting links on the subject:
Cannabis Health site ... http://www.cannabishealth.com/site/
Cannabis Research site ... http://safeaccess.ca/research/
There is lots of good info out there. I truly believe that folks are better off smoking dope than drinking, but that is nothing more than personal opinion. As far as medical use, I think it should be added to the arsenal of drugs already available and dispensed through a pharmacy.
I believe there should be a two pronged approach to the whole legal issue ... on one hand, recreational users should be able to pick up their pot at a liquor store, pay the luxury tax on it and enjoy, while medical users should have their pot doled out the same we we get our narcotics and antibiotics.
Someone mentioned that sexual predators get less jail time than people selling pot. There is something inherently wrong with a system that applies its laws in this manner. Something is broken somewhere -- and someone is benefitting somewhere. It may be as simple as making the police statistics look good because they get so many convictions for pot use. *shrug* No idea, but somebody, somewhere is getting some good out of this. It's exactly like the prohibition ... a fool's errand.
Super Genius
Posts: 1,274
August 22nd, 2006, 12:33 PM
I have looked into the medical usefullness of cannabis, and I conclude that it certainly does have verfiable medical uses.
Amazingly, these usefull properties are being rejected by the medical establishment, and we must question why.
The most outrageous answer is that marijuana can replace many of the pharmaceuticals now in common use, and sometimes do the job better and with less side effects, especially on the liver.
And thats the answer. Less profit from a non-patentable substance, because it occurs naturally, means marijuana's useful properties are being ignored, criminalised, and of course fudged with fake science.
The medical establishment had gotten the ear of our legistlators, the politicians, many years ago and clings on tightly to them today. It may sound fruity, but this is a true conspiracy.
All the people testifying about marijuana's usefulness cannot be wrong, or making it up. These are often people who say they don't even like the "buzz" of pot, they are not stoners.
For one example, marijuana regulates the pressure within our eyeballs, which when it goes wrong is called GLAUCOMA. 1.4Hg is the right pressure, and glaucoma patients can see right again after they take some hoots.
There is also diabetis - get the munchies when toking? - thats marijuana changing our blood sugar, lowering it and we get hungry, or if diabetic, we get relief from having 'too high of blood sugar levels'. This is a major medical use for marijuana that is going on unused, while dangerous insulin is being used instead.
This seems almost miraculous, but look at the long history of humans and marijuana living together, with people taking marijuana over [millions?] of years - we changed, the plant changed, and now they are usefull to each other.
Simple medicine. No profits.
And then there is recreational use - the one drug that does very little harm could be the way to get people to steer clear of hard drugs, but NOOOOOOOOO.
The war on drugs means a war on all drugs "other than the patentable drugs the pharmaceutical corporations WANT us to take". Its not about drugs and drug use, it is about taking only corporate drugs. And they will do "whatever it takes" to keep it this way, including being undemocratic in the application of the laws of the land. [a majority want marijuana legalised]
And yes, the tax revenue would erase our national debt of we legalised it, grew it under lisence and regulations, and sold it like we sell liquor.
IT ALL MAKES PERFECT SENSE - so why is it still prohibited?
{harpocracy?]
Karlin
I have looked into the medical usefullness of cannabis, and I conclude that it certainly does have verfiable medical uses.
Amazingly, these usefull properties are being rejected by the medical establishment, and we must question why.
The most outrageous answer is that marijuana can replace many of the pharmaceuticals now in common use, and sometimes do the job better and with less side effects, especially on the liver.
And thats the answer. Less profit from a non-patentable substance, because it occurs naturally, means marijuana's useful properties are being ignored, criminalised, and of course fudged with fake science.
The medical establishment had gotten the ear of our legistlators, the politicians, many years ago and clings on tightly to them today. It may sound fruity, but this is a true conspiracy.
All the people testifying about marijuana's usefulness cannot be wrong, or making it up. These are often people who say they don't even like the "buzz" of pot, they are not stoners.
For one example, marijuana regulates the pressure within our eyeballs, which when it goes wrong is called GLAUCOMA. 1.4Hg is the right pressure, and glaucoma patients can see right again after they take some hoots.
There is also diabetis - get the munchies when toking? - thats marijuana changing our blood sugar, lowering it and we get hungry, or if diabetic, we get relief from having 'too high of blood sugar levels'. This is a major medical use for marijuana that is going on unused, while dangerous insulin is being used instead.
This seems almost miraculous, but look at the long history of humans and marijuana living together, with people taking marijuana over [millions?] of years - we changed, the plant changed, and now they are usefull to each other.
Simple medicine. No profits.
And then there is recreational use - the one drug that does very little harm could be the way to get people to steer clear of hard drugs, but NOOOOOOOOO.
The war on drugs means a war on all drugs "other than the patentable drugs the pharmaceutical corporations WANT us to take". Its not about drugs and drug use, it is about taking only corporate drugs. And they will do "whatever it takes" to keep it this way, including being undemocratic in the application of the laws of the land. [a majority want marijuana legalised]
And yes, the tax revenue would erase our national debt of we legalised it, grew it under lisence and regulations, and sold it like we sell liquor.
IT ALL MAKES PERFECT SENSE - so why is it still prohibited?
{harpocracy?]
Karlin
World Police
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August 22nd, 2006, 01:12 PM
I'm all for legalzing it...however, I could not accept the government regulating it's production & licensing.
From what I have read, the medical marijuana the Government provides to patients is crap. Imagine the pot head revolt if people were forced to smoke the governments version of pot? Pot dealers will always exist, regardless of the government legalizing it.
I'm all for legalzing it...however, I could not accept the government regulating it's production & licensing.
From what I have read, the medical marijuana the Government provides to patients is crap. Imagine the pot head revolt if people were forced to smoke the governments version of pot? Pot dealers will always exist, regardless of the government legalizing it.
Liquer'd Up & Lash'n Out!
Posts: 186
Location: Pennsylvania
Location: Pennsylvania
August 22nd, 2006, 01:55 PM
I here the US doctors have some of the best stuff. If it were packed like cigs what should the Pricing be and Tax! Would they sell the good stuff or have higher pricing for higher results. ALL PUNS INTENEDED!
We are coming of age with Asian Medicaines and Practices. We are finding more Man Made Pharm. are doing more harm than good.
As far as addicting....what isn't?
I here the US doctors have some of the best stuff. If it were packed like cigs what should the Pricing be and Tax! Would they sell the good stuff or have higher pricing for higher results. ALL PUNS INTENEDED!
We are coming of age with Asian Medicaines and Practices. We are finding more Man Made Pharm. are doing more harm than good.
As far as addicting....what isn't?
Ponderous Intellect
Posts: 3,859
Location: Victoria, BC
Location: Victoria, BC
August 22nd, 2006, 01:57 PM
http://safeaccess.ca/research/flinflon/index.htm
http://safeaccess.ca/research/VICS_H...inoid_test.jpg
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You're right about quality ... VICS grows its own and compared to government grown, it's far superior.
From what I have read, the medical marijuana the Government provides to patients is crap. Imagine the pot head revolt if people were forced to smoke the governments version of pot? Pot dealers will always exist, regardless of the government legalizing it.
http://safeaccess.ca/research/flinflon/index.htm
http://safeaccess.ca/research/VICS_H...inoid_test.jpg
Ponderous Intellect
Posts: 3,859
Location: Victoria, BC
Location: Victoria, BC
August 23rd, 2006, 01:32 PM
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Untrue, Sine000. Totally untrue. Are you currently using cannabis for medical reasons? I am.
haha...yeh...canada has legalize M-J for some medical patients who have chronic pain. but they dont give them enough...then they would have to buy it off ppl in the streets...
