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July 29th, 2008, 08:29 PM
Quoting barney
Very true.
I'd say the problem is rather the reverse: Quebec is not an influential voice across Canada, and the only reason your average English-speaking Canuk gives a crap about Quebec is when the issue of national distinctiveness comes up (and it doesn't help that most Canadians don't seem to know the difference between nation and nation-state).
Wasn't it Jack Layton who said something along the lines of, "if you don't want Quebec to separate from English-Canada, make English-Canada more like Quebec"? Why? Because Quebec is following the lead of western European countries and embracing new economic directions while Ontario, which is right next door becomes ever more Americanized and suffers backwardness and dependency as a result. Or take Alberta, a province that practically prides itself on its Americanism, is almost wholly dependent on its oil production and is writing its own environmental death sentence in the process.
Hell, English-Canada would probably be much better off if it took its queues from the mother country instead of the U.S.
Wasn't it Jack Layton who said something along the lines of, "if you don't want Quebec to separate from English-Canada, make English-Canada more like Quebec"? Why? Because Quebec is following the lead of western European countries and embracing new economic directions while Ontario, which is right next door becomes ever more Americanized and suffers backwardness and dependency as a result. Or take Alberta, a province that practically prides itself on its Americanism, is almost wholly dependent on its oil production and is writing its own environmental death sentence in the process.
Hell, English-Canada would probably be much better off if it took its queues from the mother country instead of the U.S.
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Location: 1967 World's Fair
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August 17th, 2008, 08:09 PM
Quoting scratch
Progressive and highly educated ...? After last week-end's riot and attempted murder of a police officer, do you still think a civil war would be unlikey in the event of a win by the separatists in a referendum and the subsequent attempt to partition Montreal? Judging by the reaction of those thugs participating in the riot, you can't rule anything out, especially here in Montreal. God help us all!
In My Personal Humble Opinion / Without Prejudice / With All Due Respect
As a Montrealer you know very well that you are blowing things way out of proportion. I voted in every referendum. I was in the Paul Suave Arena when results were coming in for the first one.
Separation---NEVER. Civil war....what are you thinking about? Quebec is one the most progressive and highly educated provinces in the country.
So we will agree to disagree.
As a Montrealer you know very well that you are blowing things way out of proportion. I voted in every referendum. I was in the Paul Suave Arena when results were coming in for the first one.
Separation---NEVER. Civil war....what are you thinking about? Quebec is one the most progressive and highly educated provinces in the country.
So we will agree to disagree.
Grossly Underrated
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Location: In the bush somewhere near Sudbury
Location: In the bush somewhere near Sudbury
August 17th, 2008, 08:20 PM
I admire Quebec's distinct culture. I don't admire they who stir the pot and demand more more more. Perhaps we are influenced by the United States because to have our own identity is an offence punishable by Quebec....
Quoting barney
Hell, English-Canada would probably be much better off if it took its queues from the mother country instead of the U.S.
English Canada did conform more to Brit than Uncle Sam prior to Trudeau. Quebequois resented the British influence so English Canada had to tone it down. We've been appeasing ever since. Hell, English-Canada would probably be much better off if it took its queues from the mother country instead of the U.S.
I admire Quebec's distinct culture. I don't admire they who stir the pot and demand more more more. Perhaps we are influenced by the United States because to have our own identity is an offence punishable by Quebec....
Council Member
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Location: Montreal
August 17th, 2008, 08:59 PM
Are you saying Quebecers don't want to see Canadians have their own distinct identity?
Quoting lone wolf
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Perhaps we are influenced by the United States because to have our own identity is an offence punishable by Quebec....
Are you saying Quebecers don't want to see Canadians have their own distinct identity?
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Location: In the bush somewhere near Sudbury
August 17th, 2008, 09:10 PM
Quoting s_lone
No ... I'm saying there's been so much back-peddling to appease the "I-want-it-all-and-I-want-it-now" segement that we just got parked in a place we can fit. It's not politically correct to push back. To be perfectly honest ... I AM Canadian - not British; not CanAm; not French.
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Are you saying Quebecers don't want to see Canadians have their own distinct identity?
Are you saying Quebecers don't want to see Canadians have their own distinct identity?
Newbie
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Location: Montréal, Québec
Location: Montréal, Québec
August 18th, 2008, 05:39 AM
Yes they should, for many reason, the first one and the most important one is the fact that i am not canadian, i am Quebecer. Why? It all about feeling, i don't feel canadian at all, i don't hate canada its a good country, whit good culture, but when i weak up in the morning, i don't feel like a canadian. Much important then that, i feel like a immigrant in Canada. Its feeling man and you can't pass over that. In the other hand, some 'Quebecer' feel like to be French Canadian, what a really don't understand but whatever.
So many Canadian, in internet, in so many web site, piss on French and say something like : Frogs or i don't know. They seem really hate us, then why they still want us in Canada.
I think Québec will seperate one day, maybe in 15 years, maybe in 50, maybe i will be die before, but i don't care. Look the Jewish, they have fight 2000 years for have a country and now they have it.
And say that Quebecer is not a nation is to be ignorant of us. We don't share the same culture, the same language, the same idea, the same view of the world.
Other thing is the immigrant, the immigrant who came in Quebec and Canada are not same and allmost all the immigrant who came here are FOR the free Québec, its simply a fact. I have ALOT of immigrant friend, like Haitien and Algérie, they speak all french BEFORE they come.
And Internionally, i feel shame in Canada, when Canada do something, say something, we feel really shame because its REALLY not repressenting us.
Sorry for my english, i live in Montréal i don't need to speak english. Thanks for read that and encore, i love Canada, but my country and my heart is in Québec. I don't have Canadian friend.
Yes they should, for many reason, the first one and the most important one is the fact that i am not canadian, i am Quebecer. Why? It all about feeling, i don't feel canadian at all, i don't hate canada its a good country, whit good culture, but when i weak up in the morning, i don't feel like a canadian. Much important then that, i feel like a immigrant in Canada. Its feeling man and you can't pass over that. In the other hand, some 'Quebecer' feel like to be French Canadian, what a really don't understand but whatever.
So many Canadian, in internet, in so many web site, piss on French and say something like : Frogs or i don't know. They seem really hate us, then why they still want us in Canada.
I think Québec will seperate one day, maybe in 15 years, maybe in 50, maybe i will be die before, but i don't care. Look the Jewish, they have fight 2000 years for have a country and now they have it.
And say that Quebecer is not a nation is to be ignorant of us. We don't share the same culture, the same language, the same idea, the same view of the world.
Other thing is the immigrant, the immigrant who came in Quebec and Canada are not same and allmost all the immigrant who came here are FOR the free Québec, its simply a fact. I have ALOT of immigrant friend, like Haitien and Algérie, they speak all french BEFORE they come.
And Internionally, i feel shame in Canada, when Canada do something, say something, we feel really shame because its REALLY not repressenting us.
Sorry for my english, i live in Montréal i don't need to speak english. Thanks for read that and encore, i love Canada, but my country and my heart is in Québec. I don't have Canadian friend.
sick and twisted
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Location: Backwater, Ontario.
Location: Backwater, Ontario.
August 18th, 2008, 11:45 AM
Should Quebec separate from Canada?
DeFacto, they already have. Too bad (for the restuvus), they wield such enormous political power.
They can be compared to a married couple who hate each other, decide to get divorced, but remain in the same house. So the guy (eg.);
Gets to pay through the nose for support
Gets to pay the mortgage and all the bills.
Doesn't get any hugs, kisses, or sex.
as in: might get a royal screwing, but no kissin
Should Quebec separate from Canada?
DeFacto, they already have. Too bad (for the restuvus), they wield such enormous political power.
They can be compared to a married couple who hate each other, decide to get divorced, but remain in the same house. So the guy (eg.);
Gets to pay through the nose for support
Gets to pay the mortgage and all the bills.
Doesn't get any hugs, kisses, or sex.
as in: might get a royal screwing, but no kissin
Electoral Member
Posts: 111
Location: 1967 World's Fair
Location: 1967 World's Fair
August 18th, 2008, 03:30 PM
You also note above that you live in Montreal and don't need to speak English. You obviously don't work in the public service. My case is quite the opposite, I was born in Montreal and grew up here and my French isn't very good, so I use English in my day to day life. No problem as most French speaking Montrealers are bilingual.
Quoting Felquiste
You're not accurate in your post above. Most of the long established immigrants that came to Quebec around the turn of the century had no or very little knowledge of English before arriving and have successfully integrated as as part of the English speaking citizens living in Montreal. Look at the Jews, Italians, Greeks, Polish, Ukranian ...etc). Most of these immigrants who are now second, third, forth, even fifth generation immigrants have fully assimilated into the English speaking community.
Other thing is the immigrant, the immigrant who came in Quebec and Canada are not same and allmost all the immigrant who came here are FOR the free Québec, its simply a fact. I have ALOT of immigrant friend, like Haitien and Algérie, they speak all french BEFORE they come.
And Internionally, i feel shame in Canada, when Canada do something, say something, we feel really shame because its REALLY not repressenting us.
Sorry for my english, i live in Montréal i don't need to speak english. Thanks for read that and encore, i love Canada, but my country and my heart is in Québec. I don't have Canadian friend.
And Internionally, i feel shame in Canada, when Canada do something, say something, we feel really shame because its REALLY not repressenting us.
Sorry for my english, i live in Montréal i don't need to speak english. Thanks for read that and encore, i love Canada, but my country and my heart is in Québec. I don't have Canadian friend.
You also note above that you live in Montreal and don't need to speak English. You obviously don't work in the public service. My case is quite the opposite, I was born in Montreal and grew up here and my French isn't very good, so I use English in my day to day life. No problem as most French speaking Montrealers are bilingual.
Newbie
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Location: Montréal, Québec
Location: Montréal, Québec
August 19th, 2008, 09:26 AM
People need to learn respect, if you got to Spain, you try to talk and ask question in spanish. When you come in Quebec you do the same.
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=mOJsezQXo3s&
People need to learn respect, if you got to Spain, you try to talk and ask question in spanish. When you come in Quebec you do the same.
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=mOJsezQXo3s&
Electoral Member
Posts: 111
Location: 1967 World's Fair
Location: 1967 World's Fair
August 19th, 2008, 02:18 PM
Quoting Felquiste
Well, those of us who were born here and grew up here also demand respect. If a newcomer to Quebec tries to insist that I speak to him/her in French in my hometown (Montreal), I will kindly tell that person that I am not capable of doing so. If that person then attempts to insult me, I will tell him/her if they don't like it here, they are more than welcome to head back to wherever they come from.
People need to learn respect, if you got to Spain, you try to talk and ask question in spanish. When you come in Quebec you do the same.
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=mOJsezQXo3s&
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=mOJsezQXo3s&
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Location: 1967 World's Fair
Location: 1967 World's Fair
August 19th, 2008, 02:23 PM
Quoting Felquiste
I agree with the first part of your post above. If you live on the east side of Montreal, then French is almost a requirement (unless you live in some English speaking pockets on the north east side). However if you live on the west side of Montreal (West End or the West Island), then English is almost a requirement.
Well, In Montréal i french can live whitout speak english, like a english can live whitout learning french.
But i think its more complicated for the english, i think.
But i think its more complicated for the english, i think.
