Knows No Bounds
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Location: California
August 23rd, 2006, 12:30 PM
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You realize people say the same things about gay men right? That their perversion makes them unsaveable and even unworthy of our efforts to help them. I don't expect us to save the world. I do expect us to do what we can where we can. We've been incredibly lucky to be born in Canada. But, that's all it was (luck).
From a more distant perspective, though, any civilization that does not progress will become obsolete. I didn't make the rules of natural selection, I don't even have to like them, but no matter how many flowers you put around it, bottom line is that they will either grow or die.
We can make efforts to help those societies become educated but we cannot force it upon them, no matter how abhorrent their practices are to us. And a society that routinely rapes babies isn't really one that is going to advance the human race as a whole.
It sounds cruel, but nature tends to be detached.
We can make efforts to help those societies become educated but we cannot force it upon them, no matter how abhorrent their practices are to us. And a society that routinely rapes babies isn't really one that is going to advance the human race as a whole.
It sounds cruel, but nature tends to be detached.
Bright Spark
Posts: 313
August 23rd, 2006, 12:45 PM
I'm not lucky to be born in Canada. My parents worked hard to make Canada the way it is and I've worked hard to provide for my family. It's not luck that we don't condone raping women. It's not luck that we have food on the table and schools and freedom. we've earned it.
Whacko lefties leave the idea of self-responsibility at the doorstep.
Here's a condom. Use it. It's their choice and not ours. Women in these countries have no power? Why? I thought all the lefties were eager for black rule in Zimbabwe, Mozambique, etc. It was to be enlightenment on Earth. Don't forget to boycott grapes from South Afria...it will help speed up social progress in that country.
The irony is that the same f0lks so eager for black rule are the same ones who excuse away behaviors as a product of cultural ignorance and want White Man's burden to come to the rescue.e
Hint. Black people in Africa are humans with brains and can think for themselves. They can take responsibility for themselves just as our grandparents and parents and we do.
I'm not lucky to be born in Canada. My parents worked hard to make Canada the way it is and I've worked hard to provide for my family. It's not luck that we don't condone raping women. It's not luck that we have food on the table and schools and freedom. we've earned it.
Whacko lefties leave the idea of self-responsibility at the doorstep.
Here's a condom. Use it. It's their choice and not ours. Women in these countries have no power? Why? I thought all the lefties were eager for black rule in Zimbabwe, Mozambique, etc. It was to be enlightenment on Earth. Don't forget to boycott grapes from South Afria...it will help speed up social progress in that country.
The irony is that the same f0lks so eager for black rule are the same ones who excuse away behaviors as a product of cultural ignorance and want White Man's burden to come to the rescue.e
Hint. Black people in Africa are humans with brains and can think for themselves. They can take responsibility for themselves just as our grandparents and parents and we do.
Knows No Bounds
Posts: 2,669
Location: California
Location: California
August 23rd, 2006, 01:27 PM
As for them using condoms... Right. They should just go to the nearest Shopper's or London Drugs and pick up a supply... Why didn't they think of that in the first place? Personal responsibility will be key in stopping HIV, just like it is in preventing and treating most diseases. People need the tools to do that though. I'm not averse to us helping them get those tools and I wouldn't call myself a crazy lefty (I wasn't even alive when most African colonies got their independence) and I don't think we're responsible for saving the world. I don't know how you see this as a left right kind of thing anyways, unless you consider Bush to be a lefty. I just think it's callous to ignore suffering when you can help alleviate it. I think that says a lot more about us than it does about them.
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You don't think we were lucky to be born in Canada? I get that you've worked hard, so have I, but do you think that same level of hard work would have gotten you much had you been born a girl in a poor Indian village? Or Sierra Leone?
I'm not lucky to be born in Canada. My parents worked hard to make Canada the way it is and I've worked hard to provide for my family. It's not luck that we don't condone raping women. It's not luck that we have food on the table and schools and freedom. we've earned it.
Whacko lefties leave the idea of self-responsibility at the doorstep.
Here's a condom. Use it. It's their choice and not ours. Women in these countries have no power? Why? I thought all the lefties were eager for black rule in Zimbabwe, Mozambique, etc. It was to be enlightenment on Earth. Don't forget to boycott grapes from South Afria...it will help speed up social progress in that country.
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Whacko lefties leave the idea of self-responsibility at the doorstep.
Here's a condom. Use it. It's their choice and not ours. Women in these countries have no power? Why? I thought all the lefties were eager for black rule in Zimbabwe, Mozambique, etc. It was to be enlightenment on Earth. Don't forget to boycott grapes from South Afria...it will help speed up social progress in that country.
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As for them using condoms... Right. They should just go to the nearest Shopper's or London Drugs and pick up a supply... Why didn't they think of that in the first place? Personal responsibility will be key in stopping HIV, just like it is in preventing and treating most diseases. People need the tools to do that though. I'm not averse to us helping them get those tools and I wouldn't call myself a crazy lefty (I wasn't even alive when most African colonies got their independence) and I don't think we're responsible for saving the world. I don't know how you see this as a left right kind of thing anyways, unless you consider Bush to be a lefty. I just think it's callous to ignore suffering when you can help alleviate it. I think that says a lot more about us than it does about them.
Bright Spark
Posts: 313
August 23rd, 2006, 01:50 PM
I've only been to one black African contry out of dozens but in Tanzania christianity as a belief system was minimal. The difference between Protestants and Catholics was just to do with who was running a school or church institutions. Only Muslims seemed to practice their religion but that's due to centuries of Arab rule and influence. The Christian institutions were the only semblance of efficiency at a bureaucratic level. There were East Indians who were the lifeblood to buy anything or get anything actually done like buying a ticket or getting a pair of shoes fixed and so on. When it came down to it, the Pope had no more influence than he does here where he's basically ignored.
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It's up to Africans to believe in Jesus, the Easter Bunny or Leprachauns....and to take responsibility for that belief.
true....but it would be against Catholicism....thats if you believe it...
I've only been to one black African contry out of dozens but in Tanzania christianity as a belief system was minimal. The difference between Protestants and Catholics was just to do with who was running a school or church institutions. Only Muslims seemed to practice their religion but that's due to centuries of Arab rule and influence. The Christian institutions were the only semblance of efficiency at a bureaucratic level. There were East Indians who were the lifeblood to buy anything or get anything actually done like buying a ticket or getting a pair of shoes fixed and so on. When it came down to it, the Pope had no more influence than he does here where he's basically ignored.
