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August 4th, 2006, 12:36 PM
Onex Corp's CEO Gerry Schwartz has shown his support for PM Harper's stand on Israeli-Lebanese conflict. Schwartz WAS a big supporter of the Liberal Party, but has made the switch due to Harper's pro-Israeli statements recently. This will be on the news soon, or maybe not!!!
It must help Harper choose Gerry to listen to when Onex is involved in the mass media monopoly that Canada has allowed to take over from formerly balanced media ownership.
The weathy and the powerfull joining hands to crush the Arabs - so what if one is Jewish and the other is merely the Prime Minister representing all Canadians... or not.
Not representing the majority would be my observation. Only 32% of Canadians support PM Harper's stance on the Israeli-Lebanese [Hezbolla] conflict. But the corporate Elite get the PM's ear, again. Its not good.
"Only 32% back PM on Mideast" -
http://tinyurl.com/f9ck5
It fits right with PM Harper being a parrot, a minion, a suckhole-brownnoser if you will, to Mr WorldWarmonger Bush. Most Canadians appear to agree.
We are not a warring nation, despite the fact that PM Harper and his supporters would believe we should be. Canada, in it's majority, does not condone the philosophy that when someone attacks us we have to hit back harder than we were hit as a deterrant. We can clearly see that this does not work.
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Also, when a peace treaty is called for, we would not get in the way of it by demanding that this peace "MUST BE A LASTING ONE". Thats what Condoleeza Rice says, thats what PM Harper also says too, surprise!!
How futile is it to even imagine that a lasting peace can be brought at this time to these two sides, the Israelis and the Muslim Arabs of the mid-east region. Not a chance, especially after BOTH sides have committed such horrors on the other side, to innocents for which there will be revenge killings, as there allways has between these two peoples. They are so similiar in this way.....
Therefore, for Rice and Harper to DEMAND that "lasting peace" must be a part of the ceasefire treaty is obviously designed to make that treaty fail, so that the war can continue, so that Israel has the chance to destroy much of Beiruit. This is just another of the calculating tactics of the RightWing Warmonger Elites.
Canadians are not being well represented by PM Harper. Gerry Schwartz is tho, because he has money, because he is Jewish, neither of which fits with our ideals of democracy... is our PM an Undemocratic Warmongering Elitist Pig? Sounds about right...by definition anyhow.
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And just one more item - that shows why Canada must be carefull taking sides in the mid-east conflict:
"Human Rights Watch Accuses Israel of War Crimes"
Thu, 03 Aug 2006
[/url]http://tinyurl.com/fpvsq
Onex Corp's CEO Gerry Schwartz has shown his support for PM Harper's stand on Israeli-Lebanese conflict. Schwartz WAS a big supporter of the Liberal Party, but has made the switch due to Harper's pro-Israeli statements recently. This will be on the news soon, or maybe not!!!
It must help Harper choose Gerry to listen to when Onex is involved in the mass media monopoly that Canada has allowed to take over from formerly balanced media ownership.
The weathy and the powerfull joining hands to crush the Arabs - so what if one is Jewish and the other is merely the Prime Minister representing all Canadians... or not.
Not representing the majority would be my observation. Only 32% of Canadians support PM Harper's stance on the Israeli-Lebanese [Hezbolla] conflict. But the corporate Elite get the PM's ear, again. Its not good.
"Only 32% back PM on Mideast" -
http://tinyurl.com/f9ck5
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K - So there you have it - most people see it like I do, that PM Harper has sided with some powerbase that is not clearly identified, but that we know are the weathy Jewish people of Canada. Onex Corp. chief executive officer Gerry Schwartz has
The survey finds that a majority of Canadians want their government to be neutral on the conflict and that Mr. Harper has tilted away from the traditional Canadian position. Moreover, they believe that the Conservative government is taking its cues from U.S. President George W. Bush.
It fits right with PM Harper being a parrot, a minion, a suckhole-brownnoser if you will, to Mr WorldWarmonger Bush. Most Canadians appear to agree.
We are not a warring nation, despite the fact that PM Harper and his supporters would believe we should be. Canada, in it's majority, does not condone the philosophy that when someone attacks us we have to hit back harder than we were hit as a deterrant. We can clearly see that this does not work.
--------------COnditions Called For -TACTIC!!! -
Also, when a peace treaty is called for, we would not get in the way of it by demanding that this peace "MUST BE A LASTING ONE". Thats what Condoleeza Rice says, thats what PM Harper also says too, surprise!!
How futile is it to even imagine that a lasting peace can be brought at this time to these two sides, the Israelis and the Muslim Arabs of the mid-east region. Not a chance, especially after BOTH sides have committed such horrors on the other side, to innocents for which there will be revenge killings, as there allways has between these two peoples. They are so similiar in this way.....
Therefore, for Rice and Harper to DEMAND that "lasting peace" must be a part of the ceasefire treaty is obviously designed to make that treaty fail, so that the war can continue, so that Israel has the chance to destroy much of Beiruit. This is just another of the calculating tactics of the RightWing Warmonger Elites.
Canadians are not being well represented by PM Harper. Gerry Schwartz is tho, because he has money, because he is Jewish, neither of which fits with our ideals of democracy... is our PM an Undemocratic Warmongering Elitist Pig? Sounds about right...by definition anyhow.
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And just one more item - that shows why Canada must be carefull taking sides in the mid-east conflict:
"Human Rights Watch Accuses Israel of War Crimes"
Thu, 03 Aug 2006
[/url]http://tinyurl.com/fpvsq
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August 4th, 2006, 05:26 PM
So then, who are we - The EXTREMELY INEXPERIENCED in matters of war - to tell Israel what it should and shouldn't do to defend itself?
- No one.
Are we being bombed, do we have suicide bombers on a regular basis attack our civilians?
-Nope!
Have we grown up with generations of terrorized people?
-Let's see Canadian history... NOPE!
Have we made an attempt at trying to stop the terrorist attacks?
- Well since world war 2 we pretty much always come in after a war is over in any fight. As for terroists, with the exception of the most recent example of fighting the Taliban, we really don't help prtect against any terrorists, never mind the ones attacking Israel.
Who are we to judge, the ones that sit on our hands and do nothing but cry "please be nice".
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so tell me, do we have troops in the Israel, Gaza, or Lebanon helping protect Israel? Are we Israels mommy? Quite frankly Israel could kick our ass in a war.
We are not a warring nation, despite the fact that PM Harper and his supporters would believe we should be. Canada, in it's majority, does not condone the philosophy that when someone attacks us we have to hit back harder than we were hit as a deterrant. We can clearly see that this does not work.
So then, who are we - The EXTREMELY INEXPERIENCED in matters of war - to tell Israel what it should and shouldn't do to defend itself?
- No one.
Are we being bombed, do we have suicide bombers on a regular basis attack our civilians?
-Nope!
Have we grown up with generations of terrorized people?
-Let's see Canadian history... NOPE!
Have we made an attempt at trying to stop the terrorist attacks?
- Well since world war 2 we pretty much always come in after a war is over in any fight. As for terroists, with the exception of the most recent example of fighting the Taliban, we really don't help prtect against any terrorists, never mind the ones attacking Israel.
Who are we to judge, the ones that sit on our hands and do nothing but cry "please be nice".
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August 4th, 2006, 05:33 PM
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So then, who are we - The EXTREMELY INEXPERIENCED in matters of war - to tell Israel what it should and shouldn't do to defend itself?
Duh, cuz Israel has already killed Canadians. Their Canadian killers.
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We are not a warring nation, despite the fact that PM Harper and his supporters would believe we should be. Canada, in it's majority, does not condone the philosophy that when someone attacks us we have to hit back harder than we were hit as a deterrant. We can clearly see that this does not work.
So then, who are we - The EXTREMELY INEXPERIENCED in matters of war - to tell Israel what it should and shouldn't do to defend itself?
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August 4th, 2006, 05:39 PM
Our closest allies in the world are the U.S.A. and Britain. I am damn proud to say so. I would not want to trade these two great nations for any others. Israel is also our ally in the middle-east, by far our closest relation in the middle east and one of the top on the whole continent.
They are the only nation in the area to have a truly free society like that of our own.
Even if we had no strong relations with them, because they are strong allies of our two greatest allies, we should support them.
We should support who there people choose to govern them. We should support that governments decisions.
MUCH like all of you would argue that Canada should choose what is right for Canada.
Israel is the only one who can decide what is best for Israel.
It is our duty as their ally and as allies to their allies to support them and their right to govern themselves.
Our closest allies in the world are the U.S.A. and Britain. I am damn proud to say so. I would not want to trade these two great nations for any others. Israel is also our ally in the middle-east, by far our closest relation in the middle east and one of the top on the whole continent.
They are the only nation in the area to have a truly free society like that of our own.
Even if we had no strong relations with them, because they are strong allies of our two greatest allies, we should support them.
We should support who there people choose to govern them. We should support that governments decisions.
MUCH like all of you would argue that Canada should choose what is right for Canada.
Israel is the only one who can decide what is best for Israel.
It is our duty as their ally and as allies to their allies to support them and their right to govern themselves.
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August 4th, 2006, 05:46 PM
Do you really think that they did that wanting to kill a Canadian, or for that matter do you think the purpose was to kill someone from Austria, Finland, or even China? It was not an act of war against any of the 4 countries and not one of the four countries took it as such. So please just get off your high horse.
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Lets say hypothetically that it was COMPLETELY deliberate of the IDF to attack the UN outpost for the purpose of killing the UN observers. Quoting
So then, who are we - The EXTREMELY INEXPERIENCED in matters of war - to tell Israel what it should and shouldn't do to defend itself?
Duh, cuz Israel has already killed Canadians. Their Canadian killers.
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We are not a warring nation, despite the fact that PM Harper and his supporters would believe we should be. Canada, in it's majority, does not condone the philosophy that when someone attacks us we have to hit back harder than we were hit as a deterrant. We can clearly see that this does not work.
So then, who are we - The EXTREMELY INEXPERIENCED in matters of war - to tell Israel what it should and shouldn't do to defend itself?
Do you really think that they did that wanting to kill a Canadian, or for that matter do you think the purpose was to kill someone from Austria, Finland, or even China? It was not an act of war against any of the 4 countries and not one of the four countries took it as such. So please just get off your high horse.
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August 4th, 2006, 05:49 PM
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Do you really think that they did that wanting to kill a Canadian, or for that matter do you think the purpose was to kill someone from Austria, Finland, or even China? It was not an act of war against any of the 4 countries and not one of the four countries took it as such. So please just get off your high horse.
Should we bomb Israel, the killers of Canadians!
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Lets say hypothetically that it was COMPLETELY deliberate of the IDF to attack the UN outpost for the purpose of killing the UN observers. Quoting
So then, who are we - The EXTREMELY INEXPERIENCED in matters of war - to tell Israel what it should and shouldn't do to defend itself?
Duh, cuz Israel has already killed Canadians. Their Canadian killers.
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We are not a warring nation, despite the fact that PM Harper and his supporters would believe we should be. Canada, in it's majority, does not condone the philosophy that when someone attacks us we have to hit back harder than we were hit as a deterrant. We can clearly see that this does not work.
So then, who are we - The EXTREMELY INEXPERIENCED in matters of war - to tell Israel what it should and shouldn't do to defend itself?
Do you really think that they did that wanting to kill a Canadian, or for that matter do you think the purpose was to kill someone from Austria, Finland, or even China? It was not an act of war against any of the 4 countries and not one of the four countries took it as such. So please just get off your high horse.
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August 5th, 2006, 01:16 PM
Nathan is using historical matters to decide what Canada's stance should be, but hypocritically. On the one hand, we are not very military so we should not even comment, and on the other hand we helped Britian in WW2 so we should continue to help them, whatever they decide.
Thanks for the voices of reason for pointing out that Canada DOES have good reasons to be in the debate - we have been killed by one side, the side our PM has been supporting - but now is backing away from giving that support {PM Harper: "Israel has the right to defend itself", and "it was a measured response"]
Condo Rice and Harper are saying there is not going to be any cease fire until a lasting peace can be found - in other words they want the Israeli aggression to continue - a lasting peace has not existed in that area for over 60 years and they expect it can be found now, after some of the worst hostility in years has taken place? Sillyness...obviously a ploy to keep the Israeli military actions going.
Harper has played his hand, and he might want to hide it again but it is allready out there. {Another thread tells of how he is retracting some of it]
Its a small group that supports Israeli military aggression, just the Bush Cabal,and friends like Harper, plus the Saudis I imagine. Nice group of friends Mr. Prime minister!! . Not even Blair is on this team anymore, judging by the statements he has made lately.
Nathan is using historical matters to decide what Canada's stance should be, but hypocritically. On the one hand, we are not very military so we should not even comment, and on the other hand we helped Britian in WW2 so we should continue to help them, whatever they decide.
Thanks for the voices of reason for pointing out that Canada DOES have good reasons to be in the debate - we have been killed by one side, the side our PM has been supporting - but now is backing away from giving that support {PM Harper: "Israel has the right to defend itself", and "it was a measured response"]
Condo Rice and Harper are saying there is not going to be any cease fire until a lasting peace can be found - in other words they want the Israeli aggression to continue - a lasting peace has not existed in that area for over 60 years and they expect it can be found now, after some of the worst hostility in years has taken place? Sillyness...obviously a ploy to keep the Israeli military actions going.
Harper has played his hand, and he might want to hide it again but it is allready out there. {Another thread tells of how he is retracting some of it]
Its a small group that supports Israeli military aggression, just the Bush Cabal,and friends like Harper, plus the Saudis I imagine. Nice group of friends Mr. Prime minister!! . Not even Blair is on this team anymore, judging by the statements he has made lately.
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Location: Petawawa Ontario
Location: Petawawa Ontario
August 6th, 2006, 12:12 PM
To crush the Arabs? give me a break.
We want to get rid of all things terrorist, if the Magority of the Terrorist we are fighting are Arab so be it. we will fight them, but we are in no way singleing out a people and trying to kill them off. If so we would of killed all the french in the october crisis. Its not our fault the Arabs see terrorism as a practical way of getting what they want.
Why should we let them get away with cowardly acts of suicide bombings and beheading innocent people, and creating opressive situations for their people.
Get your head out your ass Karlin, the world isnt all black and white, and it defintatly isnt all flowers and ladybugs, when **** goes to ****, we have a pile of ****, stop trying to make it what it isnt, to suit your liberal need to defy anything slightly conservitive, even when the best part is the Liberals are the ones who let things get this way, then the conservitives always have to clean it up.
To crush the Arabs? give me a break.
We want to get rid of all things terrorist, if the Magority of the Terrorist we are fighting are Arab so be it. we will fight them, but we are in no way singleing out a people and trying to kill them off. If so we would of killed all the french in the october crisis. Its not our fault the Arabs see terrorism as a practical way of getting what they want.
Why should we let them get away with cowardly acts of suicide bombings and beheading innocent people, and creating opressive situations for their people.
Get your head out your ass Karlin, the world isnt all black and white, and it defintatly isnt all flowers and ladybugs, when **** goes to ****, we have a pile of ****, stop trying to make it what it isnt, to suit your liberal need to defy anything slightly conservitive, even when the best part is the Liberals are the ones who let things get this way, then the conservitives always have to clean it up.
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August 6th, 2006, 03:07 PM
www.jewsagainstzionism.com - check out the nazi link o_0
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I am not. I reject most of what the US has become - the world's #1 exporter of terrorism. Heck the US doesn't even treat its 'friends' fairly: read Softwood lumber agreement. And remebmer how their media reported that 4 of the 911 hijackers were "from Canada"? That was a vicious smear as those 4 entered the US on Visa's then simply crossed the border into Canada - something our gov't has complained about for years. And now, Americans think that we harbour terrorists! Naa, America can go fuk itself with a barge poll.
Our closest allies in the world are the U.S.A. and Britain. I am damn proud to say so. I would not want to trade these two great nations for any others. Israel is also our ally in the middle-east, by far our closest relation in the middle east and one of the top on the whole continent.
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Only if you are Jewish. While a Canadian can move and live in Lebanon and own land there, only Jews are entitled to do so. No, Lebanon is the democracy that is more closely Canadian - we (rightly) abhor the racist doctrine of Zionism.
They are the only nation in the area to have a truly free society like that of our own.
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But just as long as their Israeli friendly right? How do you feel about Hamas? o_O
We should support who there people choose to govern them. We should support that governments decisions.
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Not as long as the US sends Billions there. If they want to be independant, than cut the cash umbilical cord. I don't like Israel's "fifth column" here in teh West covering up the aparthied values of an increasingly racist State. Zionism is causeing anti-Semitism around the world!
Israel is the only one who can decide what is best for Israel.
www.jewsagainstzionism.com - check out the nazi link o_0
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Location: BC
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August 6th, 2006, 03:10 PM
OH and EastSideScotian, the Arabs aren't any different than us. They've been ****ed over by colonialism for a long time, so now they are hitting back. Bleh.
Go hate the people that set up dictatorships in the M-E. Go hate the people that are stealing Arab lands in the name of Yarweh. Go hate the peope that cause injustices. But hating people for resisting being ****ed over? Give me a break.
It's our policies that support white surpremacy in the M-E that leads Arabs to take more militant stands, often with the same religious extremism - that our leaders ascribe to!
OH and EastSideScotian, the Arabs aren't any different than us. They've been ****ed over by colonialism for a long time, so now they are hitting back. Bleh.
Go hate the people that set up dictatorships in the M-E. Go hate the people that are stealing Arab lands in the name of Yarweh. Go hate the peope that cause injustices. But hating people for resisting being ****ed over? Give me a break.
It's our policies that support white surpremacy in the M-E that leads Arabs to take more militant stands, often with the same religious extremism - that our leaders ascribe to!
