Are Canadians aware of their neighbour's other neighbour?

Someone

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I really want to know. Honestly, I don't blame Canada for being mad at the US's ignorance of them, and the world in general for that matter. I complain about that, and I'm from California.

But I realize another thing: the US is Canada's only major neighbour, and from all the Canadian media articles and reports I've come across, it seems that Canada gets pretty caught up in its seemingly one-sided relationship with the United States.

I wonder how many Canadians realize that the US has another neighbour to its south - and a MUCH LOUDER neighbour at that!!!! I liken it this way:
if the US is Canada's big brother that scarcely pays attention to it, Mexico is the other little brother that constantly shouts at the US for even more attention - enough to drown out Canada.

There's been estimated to be less than 1,000 law enforcement officials (BOTH CANADIAN AND US) at the Canada/USA border along almost 9000 km of it. On the other hand, there are over 7,000 border security personnel along the 3,200 km border with Mexico (7,000 US AGENTS).

Let me further compare the two borders:

CANADA:

- if I'm not mistaken, the current population is about 33 million

- estimates that I've read say that there are only about 200,000 illegal aliens in Canada

- I understand that many drugs have entered the US from Canada and many illegal firearms have entered Canada from the US; also a lot of human trafficking


when I read all that, it seems like nothing to me! why?

MEXICO:

- there are over 45 MILLION Hispanics in the United States (more than the 33 million Canadians/immigrants or even the 37 MILLION BLACK AMERICANS) - and about 2/3 of these are Mexican

- in addition, there are an estimated 12 million illegal aliens in the United States - again, of which 2/3 are Mexican

* that would mean about 37 to 39 million Mexican in the US, right? more than the number of Canadians

- CRAZY HUMAN TRAFFICKING, Mexicans have been known to pay thousands of dollars to be smuggled in

- for every person that gets apprehended for illegally jumping the border, hundreds more make it across

- AND LET'S NOT GET STARTED ON HOW MUCH DRUGS COMES IN..... many underground drug tunnels have been discovered at border points....


Furthermore, whether they enter legally or illegally, Mexicans in the United States have a much higher birthrate than white or black Americans. This obviously affects the demographics.

Hence, I deal with Mexicans FAR MORE THAN I DEAL WITH CANADIANS. Working in the public school system, I would deal with entire classrooms where everyone is Mexican. On the other hand, I have met a few Canadians here and there, but THEY DO NOT STICK OUT! They are just as culturally diverse as anyone else in the US. They represent different regions of Canada and different ethnicities - I have no way of telling them apart until they tell me that they're from Canada. In fact, I can tell someone from Texas FAR MORE EASILY than I can someone from Canada.

Sure, I pay attention to Canada from time to time. I have relatives there. But I find that Mexico is FAR more relevant to my everyday life than Canada is. I recognize that Canada is the US's largest trading partner, but all the other things that go on at the Mexican border are still louder.

And then there's Cuba, which pours out hundreds of refugees each day on Florida's shores. There's another country that has a louder voice to the US than does Canada.

Canadians who speak just as many languages and practice as many religions as their American neighbours number less than 1 million in the US. Meanwhile, Cubans number 1.5 million and Mexicans, well, let's not go there.

Basically, for the US to pay more attention to Canada, Canada would have to be as loud as the US's other neighbours, as well as compared to other military/economic/political powers in Europe and Asia.

I hope this gave some people to think about. Because I notice that in Canada, the US is always in the news but Mexico rarely is. In the US, Canada is rarely in the news, but Mexico appears more frequently.
 

Someone

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Re: Are Canadians aware of their neighbour's other neighbour

By the way, I got much of this info from the wikipedia on the Canada-US border. But if you ever got to know about 1 May in the US, you will understand how true this is (the march in which people, mostly Hispanic, protested the bill to ban illegal immigrants).
 

Said1

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Well, whaddaya know. I had no idea Mexico was below the USA. Neato.

What was your question again?
 

Gonzo

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Canadians shouldn't care what Americans think or know about us. Who cares? The Canadian economy is better then Americas. Our country has a better system of government and every Canadian has a health plan. Half of Americans dont have a health care plan. Yes, the US is the richest country in the world, but thats doesn't mean it's citizens are better for it. All that money goes into the war machine.
And yes we're aware of Mexico. Where do you think Canadians go for the winter?
 

Gonzo

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No, everything in my post is true. Amercans dont have a good health care plan, and your almost a trillion dollars in debt for the pointless war in Iraq.
 

I think not

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Re: Are Canadians aware of their neighbour's other neighbour

No it is not. Americans have access to the best health care in the world, not being insured and not being cared for are two different issues.

And our debt is 8 trillion, not one trillion. And our economy is just fine.
 

wallyj

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RE: Are Canadians aware of their neighbour's other neighbour

Don't waste your breath on gonzo,he is another liberal wrapped in the flag who thinks it is cool to hate america.
 

Gonzo

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Yes, but half of the population cant afford it.
Look, America is a great country. I love visiting it. Americans are cool people. But if you cant look at the things that need to be fixed then your citizens will suffer for it. Americans are comming to Canada to get perscription drugs because they cant afford it at home. You dont think thats a problem? Your drug companies want to gouge American citizens who neep these drugs to live. Something has to change.
Canada has to improve on it's health care plan too. We have long waiting lists. We also have to improve our military and homeless problem. At least we address the issues.
p.s. I dont hate americans or america. Where have i ever said that?
Plus theres nothing wrong with being a liberal. It's not a bad word.
 

I think not

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Over 80% of the population is insured one way or another. And yes it is tragic not all are insured. And yes we have problems, what's your point?
 

Lotuslander

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Re: Are Canadians aware of their neighbour's other neighbour

I really want to know. Honestly, I don't blame Canada for being mad at the US's ignorance of them, and the world in general for that matter. I complain about that, and I'm from California.

I wonder how many Canadians realize that the US has another neighbour to its south - and a MUCH LOUDER neighbour at that!!!! I liken it this way:
if the US is Canada's big brother that scarcely pays attention to it, Mexico is the other little brother that constantly shouts at the US for even more attention - enough to drown out Canada.


I wonder how many Canadians realize that the US has another neighbour to its south - and a MUCH LOUDER neighbour at that!!!! I

Most Canadians realise this fact as we are able to take geography classes which are more than just naming the 50 states. Some of these classes even include European(Europe's on the other side of the Atlantic)African, South American, Asian and Australian lessons as well. Just by posing the question in such a derogatory way makes me wonder what exactly you think of us.

if the US is Canada's big brother that scarcely pays attention to it, Mexico is the other little brother that constantly shouts at the US for even more attention - enough to drown out Canada.
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Actually it is the other way around. Canada is the USA's older brother!!!!!! Unfortunately the American education system is so Americo-centric they forget to mention, or purposefully exclude, the reality that there were actually 15 not 13 Colonies, Quebec and Nova Scotia remaining loyal against the treacherous and disloyal Americans.

As for the Mexicans yelling louder than us canucks, well, you got me there. Us Canadians are not known for our outlandish attitudes.


Hence, I deal with Mexicans FAR MORE THAN I DEAL WITH CANADIANS. Working in the public school system, I would deal with entire classrooms where everyone is Mexican. On the other hand, I have met a few Canadians here and there, but THEY DO NOT STICK OUT! They are just as culturally diverse as anyone else in the US. They represent different regions of Canada and different ethnicities - I have no way of telling them apart until they tell me that they're from Canada. In fact, I can tell someone from Texas FAR MORE EASILY than I can someone from Canada.

Sure, I pay attention to Canada from time to time. I have relatives there. But I find that Mexico is FAR more relevant to my everyday life than Canada is. I recognize that Canada is the US's largest trading partner, but all the other things that go on at the Mexican border are still louder.


As for dealing with more Mexicans than Canadians: I have no doubt that you do and sicne as you stated they speak a different language they obviously stick out more etc.... However, I bet you deal with Canadians more often than you think. Currently there are over 1,000,000 Canadians in Southern California alone. Everyday about the same number can be found on Florida's beaches, so we're around you just have to find us!

But I find that Mexico is FAR more relevant to my everyday life than Canada is. I recognize that Canada is the US's largest trading partner, but all the other things that go on at the Mexican border are still louder.

ASs for Mexico being far more relevant: It is a matter of opinion of couse. What is relevant or for that matter irrelevant? However, I would point out that California gets a large segment of its power from British Columbia and currently the US imports more oil from Canada than it does from Saudi Arabia (I believe Canada supplies about 15% of total US oil, import and domestic). In addition over a billion dollars worth of ttrade are conducted bvetween our two countries daily along witht interaction of culture, such as Celine Dion (lucky you). Or baseball coming up North (lucky us).

Should global warming continue along with the economic growth of China and India I think you may firnd that Canada's great natural resources, especially water of which Canada holds a large share of the global reserve, merit greater thought and recognition in the future.[/quote]
 

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Re: Are Canadians aware of their neighbour's other neighbour

LotusLander

Other than invoking popular myths that make you feel "better" than your southern neighbor, can you please backup your claims the American education system focuses on the US?

I would really like to know where your information comes from.
 

BitWhys

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Gonzo said:
Canadians shouldn't care what Americans think or know about us. Who cares? The Canadian economy is better then Americas. Our country has a better system of government and every Canadian has a health plan. Half of Americans dont have a health care plan. Yes, the US is the richest country in the world, but thats doesn't mean it's citizens are better for it. All that money goes into the war machine.
And yes we're aware of Mexico. Where do you think Canadians go for the winter?

I don't think most of us DO care what the US and the American public thinks of us. Personally, I pay them a lot of attention just to get a handle on what's coming down the pike.
 

DurkaDurka

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Re: Are Canadians aware of their neighbour's other neighbour

Someone said:
Basically, for the US to pay more attention to Canada, Canada would have to be as loud as the US's other neighbours, as well as compared to other military/economic/political powers in Europe and Asia.

Why would Canada need to have the US pay more attention to us? We have a solid relationship as is. Canada does not need to be reassured weekly on Fox News that we still exist on the eyes of US.

I regards to Mexico... they have no bearing on our day to day life, therefore we seldomely herer about them. I imagine the reason you hear about Mexico everyday has something to do with illegal immigration?
 

Said1

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DurkaDurka said:
[ I imagine the reason you hear about Mexico everyday has something to do with illegal immigration?

Mr. Bush talks about them a lot too.
 

Nuggler

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Actually, I'm quite happy to be ignored by the US. Hope they keep it up.

If they would obey the trade laws they endeavour to foist on others, we probably would all be happy to be ignored.

Just keep buying our shit and selling us yours, and we'll get along just fine.

Come on up and fish and hunt, spend even a little money.....Then....go home.

Ignore us, please.\

Don't worry folks, the people who "matter" know we're here. They know we have oil and gas and clean water and wood and lots of room, relatively cheap housing, good health care, bla bla bla. The only time that that's going to matter is when they decide they want it. All. Immediately. At that point in time me can, as a nation, kiss our collective asses goodbye.

Be happy to be ignored.

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Just the Facts

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Re: Are Canadians aware of their neighbour's other neighbour

Gonzo said:
Americans are comming to Canada to get perscription drugs because they cant afford it at home. You dont think thats a problem?

By the same token, OHIP sends droves of people to the U.S. for tests and treatments we don't have available in Ontario. I think that's a problem.

Also, if you ever break an arm, I hope for your sake you don't do it on a Friday night. May as well drive to buffalo and pay a doctor to set it here, and have it done right, rather than wait for an available specialist to have to re-break it and set it for free here.

Yeah, our health care is free, it's a great concept. Needs a lot of work in it's delivery, though.
 

Hotshot

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Gonzo said:
Americans are cool people.

Well maybe the ones living in Alaska.

Most yankees are hypocritical, egotistical snobs. Not deserving an ounce of respect.
 

Gonzo

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Well, I'd disagree with that. Maybe the American government dont deverve our respect, but that doesn't apply to it's citizens. Remember, Bush lost the popular vote in the first election and barely got in this time. 50% of Americans dont like him! You cant judge an entire country because of a few bad apples. I wouldn't want people to judge me based on Steven Harper!! Or Celien Dion!!
Americans are people just like everyone else. No better, no worse. I feel sorry for them. The government they have now, there respect in the world. It's not easy for your average American. The ones I've met are cool.
 

Nuggler

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Hotshot said:
Gonzo said:
Americans are cool people.

Well maybe the ones living in Alaska.

Most yankees are hypocritical, egotistical snobs. Not deserving an ounce of respect.

Sounds like your'e doing a bit of trolling there Hotshot. You know a generalization like that is inflammatory and can't be supported with facts.

We have our share of hypocritical, egotistical snobs as well: some would say, more than our share, but I doubt that Canada is known for them.

Ah well, it's your opinion, glad Idon't share it.

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