It's time to bring the death penalty back!


Huckleberry
#91
In the past 5 years or so we have a half dozen cases where men were found to be wrongfully convicted of murder and serving time for crimes they did not commit. The state of Illinois has now put a moratorium on executions because the governor realized that the legal system is simply not reliable enough. Once you execute someone, you cannot take it back. We do not have an infallible legal system. If we did, I might agree with you. But we do not and since it is based on human judgment, the chances that we ever will are slim to none.
 
LittleRunningGag
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#92
Quote: Originally Posted by Jay

He should get the chair but instead he gets....

And if we had capital punishment how would this have been any different? He still would have received the plea deal, and he still would have been set free. What we need is a complete overhaul of the way our criminal justice system works. That doesn't mean adding a feature that doesn't do anything, and has quite a bit of moral baggage to go with it. It means fixing it.

As an aside, why is it that the most conservative (and religious) regions always seem to want to use the state to kill people, but don't want to have to use their money to pay for it? Curious...
 
LittleRunningGag
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Quote: Originally Posted by tamarin

Of course. I'm just setting the record straight. Like a fusspot would do. It is remarkable though what a single letter has done here. It changed a singularly innocuous post into something starkly sinister.

That made me .
 
Mowich
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Thought this would be an appropriate topic to revive in order to share this article from the Globe and Mail on Friday, January 22, 2010.

If one can believe polls, and I know many don’t, this one appears to show that a majority of Canadians now support the death penalty. I believe I would like to see several more polls, showing similar results, before I would say this is a new trend.

Canadians' views on crime are hardening, poll finds - The Globe and Mail

Canadians' views on crime are hardening, poll finds
Kirk Makin Justice Reporter
From Friday’s Globe and Mail
Published on Thursday, Jan. 21, 2010
Last updated on Friday, Jan. 22, 2010

Despite falling crime rates, majority of Canadians support mandatory minimum sentences – even the death penalty.

“This hardening attitude among Canadians is revealed in a new Angus Reid public opinion survey that found 62 per cent of respondents favour capital punishment for murderers, while 31 per cent believe that rapists should be put to death.

The figure is a significant boost from the last such survey, in 2004, when 48 per cent favoured capital punishment for murderers.”

Makes one wonder what has happened in the intervening six years to change the opinion of so many. If, indeed, crime is down in Canada, then whatever has driven 14% of respondents to change their minds?

“There is a strong sense that punishment is an appropriate response to criminal acts, and that we are kind of cynical about reform,” said Andrew Grenville, chief research officer at Angus Reid. “There is strong support for severely punishing people. This is not the way Canadians tend to describe themselves.”

Is it just me, but don’t these sentences contradict one another? If Canadians don’t describe themselves this way, then where is the ‘strong support’ coming from???


“The findings are in harmony with a mantra that has emerged from Parliament in the last couple of years. The federal government has introduced 17 bills in the justice field, most of which crack down on crime and toughen sentencing provisions.”

Mantra: A mystical formula of invocation or incantation. (Merriam-Webster) In other words, Canadians are all under some magical spell cast by the government. That’s pretty heavy magic, IMHO.


“Sanjeev Anand, a University of Alberta law professor, said that Canadians are ignoring warnings from law professors and criminologists that mandatory minimums do not deter crime. “I think they are buying Ottawa's message,” he said. “They are not thinking the way criminals think. Most criminal acts are impulsive; they are not well thought out.”

Some of us may be ‘ignoring warnings from law professors and criminologists’ because we read sentences like this and have to wonder whatever were they thinking, when they said it. If we were thinking like criminals, I am quite sure we would have an entirely different slant on the matter. Point is, most of us are fairly law abiding citizens (left some leeway there).

“Craig Jones, executive director of the John Howard Society of Canada, said the survey results “reveal quite a stark disconnect from reality. I certainly see where the government thinks it is gaining support for its crime agenda,” he said.”



I see, so not only are we under a spell by the government but we are also delusional – gotcha! At this rate, I expect we will all be a bunch of slobberin’ idgits by the end of the article.


“Add to that the kinds of news sources that people consume on a regular basis,” he said. “Our brains are primed to freak out faster than to deliberate.”


What did I say! Spell bound, delusionary, and freaking out of our minds - there is no hope for us at all.
I simply can’t read anymore.

Again, the entire article may be found at:

Canadians' views on crime are hardening, poll finds - The Globe and Mail
 
countryboy
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Quote: Originally Posted by MowichView Post

Thought this would be an appropriate topic to revive in order to share this article from the Globe and Mail on Friday, January 22, 2010.

If one can believe polls, and I know many don’t, this one appears to show that a majority of Canadians now support the death penalty. I believe I would like to see several more polls, showing similar results, before I would say this is a new trend.

Canadians' views on crime are hardening, poll finds - The Globe and Mail

Canadians' views on crime are hardening, poll finds
Kirk Makin Justice Reporter
From Friday’s Globe and Mail
Published on Thursday, Jan. 21, 2010
Last updated on Friday, Jan. 22, 2010

Despite falling crime rates, majority of Canadians support mandatory minimum sentences – even the death penalty.

“This hardening attitude among Canadians is revealed in a new Angus Reid public opinion survey that found 62 per cent of respondents favour capital punishment for murderers, while 31 per cent believe that rapists should be put to death.

The figure is a significant boost from the last such survey, in 2004, when 48 per cent favoured capital punishment for murderers.”

Makes one wonder what has happened in the intervening six years to change the opinion of so many. If, indeed, crime is down in Canada, then whatever has driven 14% of respondents to change their minds?

“There is a strong sense that punishment is an appropriate response to criminal acts, and that we are kind of cynical about reform,” said Andrew Grenville, chief research officer at Angus Reid. “There is strong support for severely punishing people. This is not the way Canadians tend to describe themselves.”

Is it just me, but don’t these sentences contradict one another? If Canadians don’t describe themselves this way, then where is the ‘strong support’ coming from???


“The findings are in harmony with a mantra that has emerged from Parliament in the last couple of years. The federal government has introduced 17 bills in the justice field, most of which crack down on crime and toughen sentencing provisions.”

Mantra: A mystical formula of invocation or incantation. (Merriam-Webster) In other words, Canadians are all under some magical spell cast by the government. That’s pretty heavy magic, IMHO.


“Sanjeev Anand, a University of Alberta law professor, said that Canadians are ignoring warnings from law professors and criminologists that mandatory minimums do not deter crime. “I think they are buying Ottawa's message,” he said. “They are not thinking the way criminals think. Most criminal acts are impulsive; they are not well thought out.”

Some of us may be ‘ignoring warnings from law professors and criminologists’ because we read sentences like this and have to wonder whatever were they thinking, when they said it. If we were thinking like criminals, I am quite sure we would have an entirely different slant on the matter. Point is, most of us are fairly law abiding citizens (left some leeway there).

“Craig Jones, executive director of the John Howard Society of Canada, said the survey results “reveal quite a stark disconnect from reality. I certainly see where the government thinks it is gaining support for its crime agenda,” he said.”



I see, so not only are we under a spell by the government but we are also delusional – gotcha! At this rate, I expect we will all be a bunch of slobberin’ idgits by the end of the article.

“Add to that the kinds of news sources that people consume on a regular basis,” he said. “Our brains are primed to freak out faster than to deliberate.”


What did I say! Spell bound, delusionary, and freaking out of our minds - there is no hope for us at all.
I simply can’t read anymore.

Again, the entire article may be found at:

Canadians' views on crime are hardening, poll finds - The Globe and Mail

Haven't yet read the article but I will...first initial reaction is "wow!" I will say that I take exception to the "experts" telling me how or what I should think about it all...will comment further after I peruse it all...thanks for posting it!
 
Mowich
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Quote: Originally Posted by countryboyView Post

Haven't yet read the article but I will...first initial reaction is "wow!" I will say that I take exception to the "experts" telling me how or what I should think about it all...will comment further after I peruse it all...thanks for posting it!

Will await your reply, CB. I posted this with a bit of tongue-in-cheek as I found some of the statements by 'experts' to be just a tad over the top.
 
countryboy
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Quote: Originally Posted by MowichView Post

Will await your reply, CB. I posted this with a bit of tongue-in-cheek as I found some of the statements by 'experts' to be just a tad over the top.

I find that to be true of many experts and specialists these days...By the very nature of the word(s), it must be hard for many of them to fashion an accurate and fair "big picture" in their minds as they can be so focused on one piece of the puzzle. I think the "generalists" (public) should have the last word on these things.
 
Mowich
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#98
Quote: Originally Posted by countryboyView Post

I find that to be true of many experts and specialists these days...By the very nature of the word(s), it must be hard for many of them to fashion an accurate and fair "big picture" in their minds as they can be so focused on one piece of the puzzle. I think the "generalists" (public) should have the last word on these things.

I shouldn't be, but I am a bit surprised that the G&M would publish such dithering. Really, if they want us to take the poll seriously couldn't they have found someone who either didn't either contradict themselves or make Canadians out to be complete fools???
 
Risus
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#99
Yep, its time for the death penalty. Just look at the background of a lot of the serious criminals today. Repeat offenders.
Blame the liberals for this problem.
 
Mowich
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Quote: Originally Posted by RisusView Post

Yep, its time for the death penalty. Just look at the background of a lot of the serious criminals today. Repeat offenders.
Blame the liberals for this problem.

I will let Angus Reid know this, Risus. They can up their percentage points of people supporting the measure.
 
Cliffy
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Quote: Originally Posted by RisusView Post

Yep, its time for the death penalty. Just look at the background of a lot of the serious criminals today. Repeat offenders.
Blame the liberals for this problem.

Yup! Blame everybody but me! If the conservatives are so great why haven't they brought the death penalty back? Politics isn't real! They are there simply as scape goats so we don't have to take responsibility for anything.
 
countryboy
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Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

Yup! Blame everybody but me! If the conservatives are so great why haven't they brought the death penalty back? Politics isn't real! They are there simply as scape goats so we don't have to take responsibility for anything.

Jeez Cliff, I'm beginning to think you should be writing your own book of original quotations and I sincerely mean that! "Politics isn't real" is likely the most succinct and truthful description of that field of endeavour that I've ever heard.

Good on ya', mate!
 
Colpy
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Quote: Originally Posted by RisusView Post

Yep, its time for the death penalty. Just look at the background of a lot of the serious criminals today. Repeat offenders.
Blame the liberals for this problem.

I don't think many murderers were guilty of murder before.........

Anyway, I part company with the Conservatives on justice policy. I strongly believe that mandatory sentences removes an important element of flexibility in the justice system. I also believe that death sentences arrived at the old way are simply not acceptable..........Marshall, Morin, Milgaard........what more do you need say??????

I think the demand to get "tough on crime" in a society that is amazingly peaceful and secure is ridiculous......simply a conservative slant on the new religion..."we all must be safe".

Bull****.

Life is not safe.
 
Risus
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Quote: Originally Posted by ColpyView Post

I don't think many murderers were guilty of murder before.........

Anyway, I part company with the Conservatives on justice policy. I strongly believe that mandatory sentences removes an important element of flexibility in the justice system. I also believe that death sentences arrived at the old way are simply not acceptable..........Marshall, Morin, Milgaard........what more do you need say??????

I think the demand to get "tough on crime" in a society that is amazingly peaceful and secure is ridiculous......simply a conservative slant on the new religion..."we all must be safe".

Bull****.

Life is not safe.

Your response is what I expect from a gun slinger.
 
Colpy
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#105
Quote: Originally Posted by RisusView Post

Your response is what I expect from a gun slinger.

Thank you.
 
TenPenny
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#106
Quote: Originally Posted by ColpyView Post

I don't think many murderers were guilty of murder before.........

Anyway, I part company with the Conservatives on justice policy. I strongly believe that mandatory sentences removes an important element of flexibility in the justice system. I also believe that death sentences arrived at the old way are simply not acceptable..........Marshall, Morin, Milgaard........what more do you need say??????

I think the demand to get "tough on crime" in a society that is amazingly peaceful and secure is ridiculous......simply a conservative slant on the new religion..."we all must be safe".

Bull****.

Life is not safe.

Yes, whenever a government wants a cheap, easy hot button topic, they roll out the 'get tough on crime' stuff...but in reality, Canada is not a crime-ridden society, and, as you said, not that many murderers are serial murderers anyway. On top of that, mandatory sentencing takes away any chance of thinking on the part of the judges. For example, a woman who murders, in cold blood, a guy who raped her 12 year old daughter might not need the death penalty or a life sentence. That's why we have judges who use their understanding to come up with sentences, taking the facts into account.
 
petros
#107
Quote: Originally Posted by RisusView Post

Yep, its time for the death penalty. Just look at the background of a lot of the serious criminals today. Repeat offenders.
Blame the liberals for this problem.

Who let you out?
 
Cliffy
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#108
WARNING LOCK YOUR DOORS!!

Be sure you lock your doors and windows at home! A New Jersey man was found
dead in his home over the weekend. Detectives at the scene found the man
face down in his bathtub. The tub had been filled with milk, sugar, and
cornflakes. A banana was sticking out of his ass.
Police suspect a cereal killer.


 
Risus
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#109
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Who let you out?

Unlike you, I was never in. Come back when you have something useful to say. Don't just be a jerk.
 
petros
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#110
Quote: Originally Posted by RisusView Post

Unlike you, I was never in. Come back when you have something useful to say. Don't just be a jerk.

Something useful like how I want to kill people? How about we kill the people who want to kill people and then we'd be just fine then wouldn't we?
Is that useful enough?
 
countryboy
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#111
Quote: Originally Posted by TenPennyView Post

Yes, whenever a government wants a cheap, easy hot button topic, they roll out the 'get tough on crime' stuff...but in reality, Canada is not a crime-ridden society, and, as you said, not that many murderers are serial murderers anyway. On top of that, mandatory sentencing takes away any chance of thinking on the part of the judges. For example, a woman who murders, in cold blood, a guy who raped her 12 year old daughter might not need the death penalty or a life sentence. That's why we have judges who use their understanding to come up with sentences, taking the facts into account.

Personally, I have a zero tolerance attitude toward murder...one is too many. I don't think we should ever let up on it, nor do I think we should sweep aside any idea that could possibly eliminate it completely.
 
petros
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#112
Crime stats are at an all time low. Crime fear generated by the Cons is merely a distraction while they push through a private for profit prison system where you'll pay out the ass to keep people in longer under new longer sentences.

Boy you people are easy to scam.
 
countryboy
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#113
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Crime stats are at an all time low. Crime fear generated by the Cons is merely a distraction while they push through a private for profit prison system where you'll pay out the ass to keep people in longer under new longer sentences.

Boy you people are easy to scam.

Yeah, but we're slowly gettin' smarter with all the sage advice and enlightment we find right here at CanadianContent.net!
 
petros
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#114
Quote: Originally Posted by countryboyView Post

Yeah, but we're slowly gettin' smarter with all the sage advice and enlightment we find right here at CanadianContent.net!

Some of us do come to possibly learn something. It beats being one of those people who yell at the TV.
 
Risus
#115
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Some of us do come to possibly learn something. It beats being one of those people who yell at the TV.

So when are you going to start learning?
 
petros
#116
Learn how to kill? Never.
 
petros
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#117
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Learn how to kill? Never.

I'll rob you blind right under your nose using legal means but I'll never physically harm or kill you.
 
countryboy
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#118
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

I'll rob you blind right under your nose using legal means but I'll never physically harm or kill you.

OK, now I want to know how one robs someone blind using legal means!
 
Mowich
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#119
Back on topic. I am sorry to but into the middle of your little fun fest boys, but I was wondering if anyone, either than myself, was somewhat startled by the poll numbers?
 
Mowich
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#120
Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

Yup! Blame everybody but me! If the conservatives are so great why haven't they brought the death penalty back? Politics isn't real! They are there simply as scape goats so we don't have to take responsibility for anything.

Of course, politics aren't real, Cliffy. We are all under the 'spell' cast by the government.
 

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