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July 16th, 2006, 11:34 AM
Simpleton excellent comment. The truth is that some of these self serving people if they for one day got in the moccasins of the pure natives they would scream loud. But for them the Indian is not a human being, and that is what is sickening in this life, Imperialism is a disease that has done wrong too many innocent people around the planet. They are nothing but hypocrites. They will do to others what they do not done to them.
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I think the point that Socrates is trying to make, is that there needs to exist some accountability. If the provider of the funds is not holding the recipipient accountable, then the provider is guilty of malfeasance. Yes, the Federal government has an obligation to ensure that Federal funds are spent as they were intended. If the government has knowledge that the funds are not being spent appropriately, then the government must hold the abusers accountable. Or at the very least, cease making payments to the person misappropriating the funds.
So yes, it is the company's fault if they continue to allow the purchaser to misappropriate the funds. I mean, the criminal purchaser would only end up in jail if the company took responsibility for the misappropriated funds, and held the purchaser accountable. What Socrates is saying, is that the Federal government is not holding the crooked chiefs accountable.
NOTE: I am not implying that native chiefs are crooked. To the best of my knowledge, they are not crooked. I am simply pointing out the flaw in the logic here.
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Your logic is flawed, SaintLucifer. If you are a CEO that hands money over to a purchaser, and the purchaser continues to misappropriate the funds, and you're aware of the misappropriation, and you continue to provide funds to crooked purchaser, then, yes, the CEO is responsible.
Let me get this straight. The natives spend money they should not be spending nor do they have the right to be spending it yet you are blaming our federal government?
Say you are a purchaser for a huge billion-dollar company. The CEO asks you to purchase a million-dollar part for some company machinery you instead use the money to purchase for yourself a million-dollar home. This is the company's fault for entrusting you with the company funds to do your job? I just love your logic. It makes me laugh. You do realise you would end up in jail if you tried this yes?
Say you are a purchaser for a huge billion-dollar company. The CEO asks you to purchase a million-dollar part for some company machinery you instead use the money to purchase for yourself a million-dollar home. This is the company's fault for entrusting you with the company funds to do your job? I just love your logic. It makes me laugh. You do realise you would end up in jail if you tried this yes?
I think the point that Socrates is trying to make, is that there needs to exist some accountability. If the provider of the funds is not holding the recipipient accountable, then the provider is guilty of malfeasance. Yes, the Federal government has an obligation to ensure that Federal funds are spent as they were intended. If the government has knowledge that the funds are not being spent appropriately, then the government must hold the abusers accountable. Or at the very least, cease making payments to the person misappropriating the funds.
So yes, it is the company's fault if they continue to allow the purchaser to misappropriate the funds. I mean, the criminal purchaser would only end up in jail if the company took responsibility for the misappropriated funds, and held the purchaser accountable. What Socrates is saying, is that the Federal government is not holding the crooked chiefs accountable.
NOTE: I am not implying that native chiefs are crooked. To the best of my knowledge, they are not crooked. I am simply pointing out the flaw in the logic here.
Simpleton excellent comment. The truth is that some of these self serving people if they for one day got in the moccasins of the pure natives they would scream loud. But for them the Indian is not a human being, and that is what is sickening in this life, Imperialism is a disease that has done wrong too many innocent people around the planet. They are nothing but hypocrites. They will do to others what they do not done to them.
Knows Too Much
Posts: 2,004
Location: Proud to be in Alberta
Location: Proud to be in Alberta
July 16th, 2006, 06:30 PM
The point about accountability is something I have said for many years. However, every time someone tries, the old racist charge is thrown up, which discourages the accountability process, especially from a weak liberal government who makes appeasment an official policy. Perhaps a CPC government will not only demand accountability, but will enforce it as well.
Just as a note, a local reserve has now had two very respectable accounting firms quit as their managers in the last year. Why? Because there is internal bickering on the council, and because the accounting firms are not provided with the information the not only need, but ask for. Just one example, but it is very moot for this thread.
The point about accountability is something I have said for many years. However, every time someone tries, the old racist charge is thrown up, which discourages the accountability process, especially from a weak liberal government who makes appeasment an official policy. Perhaps a CPC government will not only demand accountability, but will enforce it as well.
Just as a note, a local reserve has now had two very respectable accounting firms quit as their managers in the last year. Why? Because there is internal bickering on the council, and because the accounting firms are not provided with the information the not only need, but ask for. Just one example, but it is very moot for this thread.
Bright Spark
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Location: Sarnia
Location: Sarnia
July 16th, 2006, 06:44 PM
Let's not be hypocrites! I've yet to ever have dealings with any government official that didn't give me the runaround. I'm having trouble even finding a business that won't give me the runaround. Why should we expect native band councils to be open and forthcoming, when everyone they deal with spews them bull**** ad nauseum?
Let's come back to Earth, okay. And I think I hear your mommy calling...
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Wow! You make native councils sound a lot like city councils, provincial governments, and even the federal government. Imagine that! A band council giving auditors the runaround! I'm shocked! I guess they learned the tactic from city, provincial, and federal officials!
The point about accountability is something I have said for many years. However, every time someone tries, the old racist charge is thrown up, which discourages the accountability process, especially from a weak liberal government who makes appeasment an official policy. Perhaps a CPC government will not only demand accountability, but will enforce it as well.
Just as a note, a local reserve has now had two very respectable accounting firms quit as their managers in the last year. Why? Because there is internal bickering on the council, and because the accounting firms are not provided with the information the not only need, but ask for. Just one example, but it is very moot for this thread.
Just as a note, a local reserve has now had two very respectable accounting firms quit as their managers in the last year. Why? Because there is internal bickering on the council, and because the accounting firms are not provided with the information the not only need, but ask for. Just one example, but it is very moot for this thread.
Let's not be hypocrites! I've yet to ever have dealings with any government official that didn't give me the runaround. I'm having trouble even finding a business that won't give me the runaround. Why should we expect native band councils to be open and forthcoming, when everyone they deal with spews them bull**** ad nauseum?
Let's come back to Earth, okay. And I think I hear your mommy calling...
