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Location: Saint John, N.B.
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June 30th, 2006, 01:22 PM
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I resent that slur against rednecks, mainly because I ARE one!
Its not really a hot topic anymore. Some of the rednecks are trying to make it one again, but the general concencus is that it's a legitimate form of protest.
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Posts: 96
June 30th, 2006, 01:43 PM
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It's not burning a random flag. It's burning your own flag. It's symolism, it gets peoples attention. It's effective.
A legitimate form of protest??
We don't like what a particular country is doing so we burn that country's flag?? Sounds a bit childish to me, but go for it.
We don't like what a particular country is doing so we burn that country's flag?? Sounds a bit childish to me, but go for it.
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June 30th, 2006, 02:00 PM
I think, though I may be wrong, that it's illegal in the United States to show certain kinds of disrespect for the American flag, and possibly certain other national symbols, which would certainly include a public burning, but there are no similar rules in Canada about the Canadian flag. In either case, I'd agree it's a legitimate form of symbolic protest, though not something I'd ever engage in personally.
I think, though I may be wrong, that it's illegal in the United States to show certain kinds of disrespect for the American flag, and possibly certain other national symbols, which would certainly include a public burning, but there are no similar rules in Canada about the Canadian flag. In either case, I'd agree it's a legitimate form of symbolic protest, though not something I'd ever engage in personally.
Bright Spark
Posts: 443
Location: Sarnia
Location: Sarnia
June 30th, 2006, 02:01 PM
If terrorists resorted to flag burning as a form of protest, instead of all the other vicious crap, the world would be a lot better place.
You wanna burn my country's flag, I'll lend you my lighter... At least it won't be coming back with blood on it.
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Burning the nation's flag is better than burning the nation's citizens... Or, heaven forbid, lopping off their heads, blowing up their buildings, or hijacking their planes. A legitimate form of protest??
We don't like what a particular country is doing so we burn that country's flag?? Sounds a bit childish to me, but go for it.
We don't like what a particular country is doing so we burn that country's flag?? Sounds a bit childish to me, but go for it.
If terrorists resorted to flag burning as a form of protest, instead of all the other vicious crap, the world would be a lot better place.
You wanna burn my country's flag, I'll lend you my lighter... At least it won't be coming back with blood on it.
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Location: The Evil Empire
Location: The Evil Empire
June 30th, 2006, 02:03 PM
I have personally burnt the American flag several times in my youth, it's a great way to capture someones attention.
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It isn't illegal Dex, only certain things such as keeping the flag illuminated during the night as a matter of proper flag etiquette, certainly not illegal though.
I think, though I may be wrong, that it's illegal in the United States to show certain kinds of disrespect for the American flag, and possibly certain other national symbols, which would certainly include a public burning, but there are no similar rules in Canada about the Canadian flag. In either case, I'd agree it's a legitimate form of symbolic protest, though not something I'd ever engage in personally.
I have personally burnt the American flag several times in my youth, it's a great way to capture someones attention.
Bright Spark
Posts: 313
June 30th, 2006, 02:30 PM
Everyone can burn the flag. Doesn't bother me. I'm not a nationalist. I also, don't mind, however is some 85-year-old war vet takes out a baseball bat and bashes the flag burner's head in.
I wouldn't burn our flag ot of respect for those vets who might care about the issue....not out of respect for a symbol.
The 'maple leaf' is an ironic symbol. The maple tree doesn't even grow in 80% of Canada. No surprise it's native to southern Ontario/Quebec but not Alberta. I wonder if folks in Ontario would like a lodgepole pine on the flag instead of a maple? They'd think it ridiculous.
Everyone can burn the flag. Doesn't bother me. I'm not a nationalist. I also, don't mind, however is some 85-year-old war vet takes out a baseball bat and bashes the flag burner's head in.
I wouldn't burn our flag ot of respect for those vets who might care about the issue....not out of respect for a symbol.
The 'maple leaf' is an ironic symbol. The maple tree doesn't even grow in 80% of Canada. No surprise it's native to southern Ontario/Quebec but not Alberta. I wonder if folks in Ontario would like a lodgepole pine on the flag instead of a maple? They'd think it ridiculous.
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June 30th, 2006, 02:34 PM
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Well except that when a maple leaf was decided upon the word Alberta would've drawn blank stares and Ontario and Quebec was 80% of Canada.
The 'maple leaf' is an ironic symbol. The maple tree doesn't even grow in 80% of Canada. No surprise it's native to southern Ontario/Quebec but not Alberta. I wonder if folks in Ontario would like a lodgepole pine on the flag instead of a maple? They'd think it ridiculous.
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Bright Spark
Posts: 313
June 30th, 2006, 02:49 PM
The Pearson Pennant was by far the most popular design . We kids in school all drew which flag we liked and sent it to our MP in Ottawa. The Pearson Pennant was on a lot of car antennas, etc.
Canada, as usual, however, is a so-so top heavy democracy and the flag we have today was chosen by bigwigs and not the people. Most didn't like it that much at the time (as a design). It was supported more as 'not' the old Red Ensign.
See the Pearson Pennant:
http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/ca!.html#1962
The Pearson Pennant was by far the most popular design . We kids in school all drew which flag we liked and sent it to our MP in Ottawa. The Pearson Pennant was on a lot of car antennas, etc.
Canada, as usual, however, is a so-so top heavy democracy and the flag we have today was chosen by bigwigs and not the people. Most didn't like it that much at the time (as a design). It was supported more as 'not' the old Red Ensign.
See the Pearson Pennant:
http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/ca!.html#1962
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Location: Edmonton
Location: Edmonton
June 30th, 2006, 03:59 PM
I've grown up always being told to respect a Nations flag, as it is a symbol of everything that a Nation stands for. I myself, don't agree with burning of any flags, especially your own. Why would you burn your own National image? Are you that apathetic to having pride in your Nation? I sometimes feel I was born too late. I put a lot of stock in Nationalism and Patriotism, something that my generation seems completely devoid of. I joined the Army because I feel, in that organization, I can contribute to this Nation in a way few others can. I can stand up for what this Nation believes in, and ensure no harm comes to it, or what represents it, up to and including the Maple Leaf. I'm 23, still young by any stretch of the imagination, however I honestly think I sometimes put more faith in this Nation and our way of life than others twice my age. It honestly bothers me that somewhere over the last 50 years, our National identity has slowly began to decay. We once were a Nation of proud individuals, proud of our way of life, proud of what we stood for. These days people seem far too self-absorbed and utterly clueless as to what it means to be a Canadian. If you want to burn a flag, go ahead, but in doing so you dishonour that Nations heritage. If you burn your own flag, you dishonour not only your heritage, but everything your Nation stands for. If you think burning the Maple Leaf is acceptable, read the lyrics of The Maple Leaf Forever and then think about it again. My 19 cents on the issue.
I've grown up always being told to respect a Nations flag, as it is a symbol of everything that a Nation stands for. I myself, don't agree with burning of any flags, especially your own. Why would you burn your own National image? Are you that apathetic to having pride in your Nation? I sometimes feel I was born too late. I put a lot of stock in Nationalism and Patriotism, something that my generation seems completely devoid of. I joined the Army because I feel, in that organization, I can contribute to this Nation in a way few others can. I can stand up for what this Nation believes in, and ensure no harm comes to it, or what represents it, up to and including the Maple Leaf. I'm 23, still young by any stretch of the imagination, however I honestly think I sometimes put more faith in this Nation and our way of life than others twice my age. It honestly bothers me that somewhere over the last 50 years, our National identity has slowly began to decay. We once were a Nation of proud individuals, proud of our way of life, proud of what we stood for. These days people seem far too self-absorbed and utterly clueless as to what it means to be a Canadian. If you want to burn a flag, go ahead, but in doing so you dishonour that Nations heritage. If you burn your own flag, you dishonour not only your heritage, but everything your Nation stands for. If you think burning the Maple Leaf is acceptable, read the lyrics of The Maple Leaf Forever and then think about it again. My 19 cents on the issue.
Quote:
O, land of blue unending skies,
Mountains strong and sparkling snow,
A scent of freedom in the wind,
O'er the emerald fields below.
To thee we brought our hopes, our dreams,
For thee we stand together,
Our land of peace, where proudly flies,
The Maple Leaf forever.
Long may it wave, and grace our own,
Blue skies and stormy weather,
Within my heart, above my home,
The Maple Leaf forever!
oh maple leaf around the word
you speak as you rise high above
of courage peace and quiet strength
of the canada that I love
Remind us all our union bound,
By ties we cannot sever,
Bright flag revered on every ground,
The Maple Leaf forever!
Long may it wave, and grace our own,
Blue skies and stormy weather,
Within my heart, above my home,
The Maple Leaf forever!
Mountains strong and sparkling snow,
A scent of freedom in the wind,
O'er the emerald fields below.
To thee we brought our hopes, our dreams,
For thee we stand together,
Our land of peace, where proudly flies,
The Maple Leaf forever.
Long may it wave, and grace our own,
Blue skies and stormy weather,
Within my heart, above my home,
The Maple Leaf forever!
oh maple leaf around the word
you speak as you rise high above
of courage peace and quiet strength
of the canada that I love
Remind us all our union bound,
By ties we cannot sever,
Bright flag revered on every ground,
The Maple Leaf forever!
Long may it wave, and grace our own,
Blue skies and stormy weather,
Within my heart, above my home,
The Maple Leaf forever!
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Location: Independent Palestine
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June 30th, 2006, 04:04 PM
(Hopefully people will stop burning the U.N flag now.
)
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We'll I'm not a nationalist like Mogz, but a flag is what makes an imprint on your country. Like the Dragon on the Wales Flag, or the Maple Leaf on Canada's flag. So it is a symbolic protest but to destroy someone's flag the especially yuorown is destroying apart of yourself.
I've grown up always being told to respect a Nations flag, as it is a symbol of everything that Nation stands for. I myself, don't agree with burning of any flags, especially your own. Why would you burn your own National image? Are you that apathetic as to pride in your Nation? I sometimes feel I was born too late. I put a lot of stock in Nationalism and Patriotism, something that my generation seems completely devoid of. I joined the Army because I feel, in that organization, I can contribute to this Nation in a way few others can. I can stand up for what this Nation believes in, and ensure no harm comes to it, or what represents it, up to and including the Maple Leaf. I'm 23, still young by any stretch of the imagination, however I honestly think I sometimes put more faith in this Nation and our way of life than others twice my age. It honestly bothers me that somewhere over the last 50 years, our National identity has slowly began to decay. We once were a Nation of proud individuals, proud of our way of life, proud of what we stood for. These days people seem far too self-absorbed and utterly clueless as to what it means to be a Canadian. If you want to burn a flag, go ahead, but in doing so you dishonour that Nations heritage. If you burn your own flag, you dishonour not only your heritage, but everything your Nation stands for. My 19 cents on the issue.
(Hopefully people will stop burning the U.N flag now.
)
