Grits' Leadership Forum Format Announced


FiveParadox
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Today, the Liberal Party of Canada announced the format that is to be used for its leadership debates, the premier of which is to take place on Saturday (and can be viewed on CPAC). The Northern and Western Forum is scheduled to be hosted at the University of Manitoba, and eleven persons have been authorized to participate.
  • The Honourable Carolyn Bennet, P.C., M.P.;
  • The Honourable Maurizio Bevilacqua, P.C., M.P.;
  • The Honourable Scott Brison, P.C., M.P.;
  • The Honourable Stéphane Dion, P.C., M.P.;
  • The Honourable Ken Dryden, P.C., M.P.;
  • The Honourable Hedy Fry, P.C., M.P.;
  • Ms. Martha Findlay;
  • Michael Ignatieff, M.P.;
  • Mr. Gerard Kennedy;
  • The Honourable Bob Rae, P.C., O.C.;
  • The Honourable Joseph Volpe, P.C., M.P.
First Segment

Each member is going to have two minutes to make an opening statement; the order of persons making statements is to be determined beforehand by some sort of draw.

Second Segment

During the second segment, each member is going to be asked one question from an audience member, and one question from the moderator of the fora, Glenn O'Farrell, the President and Chief Executive Officer of the Canadian Association of Broadcasters. The participant is to have ninety seconds to address either, or both, of the questions. The themes on which the questions are going to be based are economic, international, regional and social policy issues.

Third Segment

Once the third segment begins, participants are going to be pitted against each other in four one-on-one debates, and one three-person debate; the one-on-one debates are to have durations of five minutes each, and the last three-person debate is to last for seven-and-a-half minutes. The composition of each group of participants is going to be determined by a random draw to occur as the segment proceeds.

This format is to be used for the Northern and Western Forum, and the next forum, at l'Université de Moncton; the format is to be reviewed and revised, if necessary, after these two fora have concluded, in ancticipation for the remaining three fora to take place in the days and weeks afterward.
 
Swifty
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OMG things are getting real bad when your best contender is BOB RAE.

I'll pick Bob as my horse to come in for the win.
 
FiveParadox
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I'm rooting for the Honourable Scott Brison, P.C., M.P., the Member for Kings—Hants. I tend to agree entirely with his positions on matters of social policy (insofar as I have seen since my interest in issues of governance has developed), and plus, I think that it would be neat to have a gay Prime Minister of Canada some day.
 
Vicious
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This is why I read these types of forums. I did not know that Scott Brison was gay. Not that there is anything wrong with that.
 
Finder
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When do they get tested on how well they can cover up bribe taking, or is it money laundering this year. Oh and I hear they have replaced there break time game which was Monoploy, to the brand new game called "Kleptocracy" The Liberal game of Canadian political dominance.
 
FiveParadox
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I don't know why I bother posting new threads.
 
gc
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Quote: Originally Posted by FiveParadox

I'm rooting for the Honourable Scott Brison, P.C., M.P., the Member for Kings—Hants. I tend to agree entirely with his positions on matters of social policy (insofar as I have seen since my interest in issues of governance has developed), and plus, I think that it would be neat to have a gay Prime Minister of Canada some day.

Even with that suspicious e-mail? Whether he is guilty or not, I think that will come back to haunt him and would hurt him in the election. The conservatives would just use it as more proof of "liberal corruption".
 
FiveParadox
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I no longer particularly care about their charges of "corruption" in the previous Government of Canada. They cried foul over everything that Government had done, in many cases without warranting such accusations — besides, there have been such issues in the current Government, too (first-ever report from the Auditor General of Canada leaked, for example).
 
Vicious
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The amount you care about corruption will increase as you start to pay more and more tax. It may be hard to care when the government steals or wastes other people's money but when they start coming to you to fund their corruption you may well change your tune.
 
Colpy
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The debate thing is going to be complicated, with 11 people in the field. Opening statements will take 30 minutes or more.....I doubt there will be many watching.

The Liberal Party badly needs to renew itself, and free itself from the fact of corruption. They will NOT do this by electing a leader from the old gov't.
 
FiveParadox
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I don't think the format is going to be that complex. The explanation above is rather simplistic; the entire forum should take no more than about two hours. I'm going to watch — I can give two hours of my time for something such as this. It is going to be interesting: It is going to be my first time watching a leadership debate for a party.
 
Jay
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Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy

The debate thing is going to be complicated, with 11 people in the field. Opening statements will take 30 minutes or more.....I doubt there will be many watching.

The Liberal Party badly needs to renew itself, and free itself from the fact of corruption. They will NOT do this by electing a leader from the old gov't.

They could cross the floor though, that would go along way to securing a new image.
 
Jay
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Quote: Originally Posted by FiveParadox

I no longer particularly care about their charges of "corruption" in the previous Government of Canada. They cried foul over everything that Government had done, in many cases without warranting such accusations — besides, there have been such issues in the current Government, too (first-ever report from the Auditor General of Canada leaked, for example).

Doesn't even come close to stealing millions of dollars to fund their own debt ridden party at the expence of Quebec and IMO Confederation.
 
FiveParadox
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I doubt that Mr. Brison, for one, would return to a party that doesn't think he should have the right to marry — that would be quite an odd thing to do, indeed. It was due to their regressive stance on social policy that Mr. Brison decided to leave that party in the first place; and the people approved.
 
FiveParadox
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I don't know about that, Jay.

The previous Government may indeed have misappropriated funds, even as some would contend, for purposes of the party rather than government — however, this present Government has shown that it has no respect whatsoever for any of the various Officers of the Parliament of Canada. I don't understand why citizens would approve of such a disrespectful Government.
 
#juan
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Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy

The debate thing is going to be complicated, with 11 people in the field. Opening statements will take 30 minutes or more.....I doubt there will be many watching.

The Liberal Party badly needs to renew itself, and free itself from the fact of corruption. They will NOT do this by electing a leader from the old gov't.

Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy

The debate thing is going to be complicated, with 11 people in the field. Opening statements will take 30 minutes or more.....I doubt there will be many watching.

The Liberal Party badly needs to renew itself, and free itself from the fact of corruption. They will NOT do this by electing a leader from the old gov't.

You talk like the liberals invented corruption. They didn't. This country is still limping from the effects of the last Conservative government. The Tories, under Mulroney, had a scandal every year he was in office, as well as the debt he built up. Please don't tell me again that Mulroney was not a Conservative. Seems to me the Bloc also happened on Mulroney's watch. Not much to be proud of there.
 
Jay
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Quote: Originally Posted by FiveParadox

I doubt that Mr. Brison, for one, would return to a party that doesn't think he should have the right to marry — that would be quite an odd thing to do, indeed. It was due to their regressive stance on social policy that Mr. Brison decided to leave that party in the first place; and the people approved.

We don't want him back anyways. He can stay.

And obviously the "supporters" of Brision need their heads checked because they haven't been listening to what conservatives have been saying about this so called issue. They just go on and on as if they have no ears and must think the UK is a regressive country along with many other countries out there.
 
FiveParadox
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I don't need my head checked.

I have listened to what conservatives are saying about this issue, and I think that they are incorrect. I do think that stripping citizens of a right, once granted, is quite regressive indeed. "We gave you equality, but now we've changed our minds. You're not good enough for that."
 
Jay
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Just because Liberals rammed something through....sure.


I take it you must think the Charter is regressive then and the relieving people of freedom of speech etc and the inability to buy your own healthcare insurance and not returning IE money to people and limiting Old Age Pensions etc.
 
FiveParadox
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I don't think that our Constitution Act, 1982 is "regressive" as you seem to suggest. We have discussed this topic at length, and it has been quite established that you condone the spewing of hatred at the expense of the greater good of the society of Canada. Our Statutes are enacted for the purpose of peace, order, and good government — and if that means that some persons who can't express themselves without advocating hatred for others feel left out¹, then that's too bad.

Revision : (1) Corrected a typing error.
 
Jay
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Quote:

33. (1) Parliament or the legislature of a province may expressly declare in an Act of Parliament or of the legislature, as the case may be, that the Act or a provision thereof shall operate notwithstanding a provision included in section 2 or sections 7 to 15 of this Charter.

 
FiveParadox
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Yes... that's the notwithstanding clause.

Care to mention why you've posted it?
 
Jay
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Quote: Originally Posted by Jay

I take it you must think the Charter is regressive then

Quote: Originally Posted by FiveParadox

I don't think that our Constitution Act, 1982 is "regressive" as you seem to suggest.

Quote: Originally Posted by Jay

Quote:

33. (1) Parliament or the legislature of a province may expressly declare in an Act of Parliament or of the legislature, as the case may be, that the Act or a provision thereof shall operate notwithstanding a provision included in section 2 or sections 7 to 15 of this Charter.

Quote: Originally Posted by FiveParadox

Yes... that's the notwithstanding clause.

Care to mention why you've posted it?

I think it is as plain as day why I posted that.
 
FiveParadox
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I'll think about it more once my head stops hurting.

In the meantime, a member need not be an ass to further their points.
 
gc
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Quote: Originally Posted by FiveParadox

I don't think the format is going to be that complex. The explanation above is rather simplistic; the entire forum should take no more than about two hours. I'm going to watch — I can give two hours of my time for something such as this. It is going to be interesting: It is going to be my first time watching a leadership debate for a party.

Is the debate going to be televised? I looked through my tv guide on that date and couldn't find anything. It would be interesting to watch.
 
FiveParadox
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Quote: Originally Posted by [i

gc[/i]]Is the debate going to be televised? I looked through my tv guide on that date and couldn't find anything. It would be interesting to watch.

It is indeed.

On Saturday, between 2 p.m. and 4 p.m. (CDT), on CPAC (and, on some cable news networks), the forum is to be broadcast live. I have noticed that CPAC has a tendency to submit outdated or incomplete program information to cable and satellite providers, so I would not be surprised if one cannot come across the correct time in their television guides or on-line guides.

Sources
1. Click -- for the Web site of the Liberal Party of Canada.
 
Swifty
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Quote: Originally Posted by FiveParadox

I doubt that Mr. Brison, for one, would return to a party that doesn't think he should have the right to marry — that would be quite an odd thing to do, indeed. It was due to their regressive stance on social policy that Mr. Brison decided to leave that party in the first place; and the people approved.


Gays already have the right to marry,the issue is about changing the definition(Wording).

You act as if all Conservative voters are all Hate mongers towards the Gay Community which is absolute nonsense.

The Honourable John Baird "President of the Treasury Board" is Gay,the party didn't seem to have a problem with electing him.

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What I get tired of is when some Gays always where there sexual orientation on there sleeve to suit some political agenda.
It's a sexual preference,who cares.
 
FiveParadox
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Swifty, I don't care to mention my own "orientation" particularly often. However, on this matter, I do think that it is quite appropriate, so that perhaps the membership can understand where I am coming from. I am not trying to use the fact that I am gay to coherse anyone into accepting my opinion, as you would seem to suggest.

And this is an important issue: If the motion put forth by the Government of Canada is indeed adopted, then the Civil Marriage Act may be overturned — and in the event of that happening, then gays and lesbians would again be deemed to be less-than our heterosexual friends, in terms of the recognition of relationships for lawful purposes.
 
Swifty
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Quote: Originally Posted by FiveParadox

Swifty, I don't care to mention my own "orientation" particularly often. However, on this matter, I do think that it is quite appropriate, so that perhaps the membership can understand where I am coming from. I am not trying to use the fact that I am gay to coherse anyone into accepting my opinion, as you would seem to suggest.

And this is an important issue: If the motion put forth by the Government of Canada is indeed adopted, then the Civil Marriage Act may be overturned — and in the event of that happening, then gays and lesbians would again be deemed to be less-than our heterosexual friends, in terms of the recognition of relationships for lawful purposes.

The Gay marriage is already recognized by law through the courts and the Government.
Should Gays be able to get married in a Christian or Jewish church if there denied it by the church or synagogue ?
What about a Gay couple getting married in a mosque (a place of worship for followers of the Islamic faith).

Does this change of the definition of marriage debate to appease a minority(3 %) in Canada, supercede all the rights of all these Religious institutions(Which make up millions of members) ?



Anyways were getting off topic.My problem with Scott Brison is he stood up day after day in the house and defended the sponsorship scandal for paul martin, and his libranos.And then to leak that info to bay street on Income Trusts, then deny it up until the end, paints a true picture of Scott Brison Imho.
And this has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that he is Gay.
BTW I helped campaign for John Baird last election.
 
Jersay
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I don't care and most people in Canada don't care for these Liberal contenders because there is no one good pick in any of them. They are transitional leaders, even though Harper is a moron, he would be able to go through all of them if his propoganda machine was well oiled.
 

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