Liberal Leadership Race - Who do we favour?

Liberal Leadership Race - Who do we favour?

View Poll Results: Of the 11 candidates declared so far for the Liberal leadership, which do you prefer?
Carolyn Bennett	1	5.26%
Bob Rae	3	15.79%
Joe Volpe	0	0%
Michael Ignatieff	7	36.84%
Hedy Fry	3	15.79%
Stephane Dion	0	0%
Gerard Kennedy	2	10.53%
Martha Hall Findlay	0	0%
Maurizio Bevilacqua	0	0%
Scott Brison	3	15.79%
Ken Dryden	0	0%
Voters: 19. You may not vote on this poll

Naci_Sey

#1May 6th, 2006

On March 19th, the Liberal Party of Canada accounced that its next Leadership Convention would be held November 29 to December 3, 2006. So far, 11 candidates have come forward for the leadership post.

Regardless of whether we are members of, or favour another party, who leads the Liberal Party will ultimately make a difference to all Canadians, since that leader will one day be Prime Minister of Canada. This makes it important for voters to know who is running, what their positions are and which leader would be the best for Canada. There's not much info so far on the candidates, but if you google each name, you're likely to get their website.

I've added the poll for us to see who we like and who we don't. I hope to see this thread run for awhile and think that a later poll asking whether we have changed our original selection would be helpful.

NB: This is my first attempt to create a new topic and a new poll since joining this board. Hope I've done it right.

#juan

No Party Affiliation

Re: Liberal Leadership Race - Who do we favour?

May 6th, 2006

I have voted for Stephane Dion. I may change my mind but I don't think so. Some who have joined the race are a complete waste of space. Hedy Fry wouldn't get beyond the first ballot but we will see.

darkbeaver

Republican

RE: Liberal Leadership Ra

May 6th, 2006

I voted for Ken Dryden, I've heard a few of them speak, but Dryden sounds lke a very sincere person,most the others just sounded like skaters and shufflers with the usual coporate communications newspeak.

bluealberta

Re: Liberal Leadership Race - Who do we favour?

May 6th, 2006

What, "None of the Above" is not a choice?? :P

Actually, I could care less at this point.

Kreskin

RE: Liberal Leadership Race - Who do we favour?

May 6th, 2006

I voted for Hedi Fry because it might be the only vote she gets.

Colpy

Conservative

RE: Liberal Leadership Race - Who do we favour?

May 6th, 2006

I have voted for every political party that has held seats in the House over the last 30 years......except for the Bloc, for obvious reasons, and the Liberals.

So you might want to take my opinion with a grain of salt.

I put down Ignatieff, as I do think he has a vision of the nation as part of a strong, western, democratic military and economic alliance.

My second choice would be Bob Rae, for his vision of uniting the NDP and Liberals, and returning us to the days of two viable national parties that one could actually tell apart.

Edited to say.....I kinda like Stephane Dion as well............

Naci_Sey

RE: Liberal Leadership Ra

May 6th, 2006

I chose Carolyn Bennett. Like a couple of you, I also like Stephane Dion and agree with the comment about Ken Dryden's sincerity (which is one reason why I like Bennett).

Hedy Fry is too old (64, I think). Unless the Libs are thinking of who would make the best lame duck leader - as in the PC's Kim Campbell -, I'd say Hedy is out.

BTW, I wanted a poll that would allow us to select our three top choices. Might have made our answers that much more illuminating.

#juan

No Party Affiliation

Re: Liberal Leadership Race - Who do we favour?

May 6th, 2006

Ignatieff ? He's lived in the states for the last twenty years or so. How can he still be a Canadian? His kids must all be American. He can stay at Harvard.

Semperfi_dani

RE: Liberal Leadership Ra

May 7th, 2006

My first choice in Scot Brison. Second choice is Stephan Dion (really..either one would be fine). Third choice.... umm...not really sure. I guess Ignatieff, but i don't really know a lot about him. Dryden might be ok in the whole unification of Canada issue.

But i'll take Brison or Dion over all.

Finder

#10

Re: Liberal Leadership Race - Who do we favour?

May 7th, 2006

Last person I'd vote for would be Ken Dryden, he is my local MP and completely usless. If I had not voted NDP in my ridig I would have voted conservative because of him.

bluealberta

#11

Re: RE: Liberal Leadership Ra

May 7th, 2006

Quote: Originally Posted by Semperfi_dani

My first choice in Scot Brison. Second choice is Stephan Dion (really..either one would be fine). Third choice.... umm...not really sure. I guess Ignatieff, but i don't really know a lot about him. Dryden might be ok in the whole unification of Canada issue.

But i'll take Brison or Dion over all.

Even if you are a liberal, how on earth could you support Brison after how he described Albertans as a whole after the 2004 election? The man proved he is a bigot by his outrageous comments about Alberta specifically and the West generally.

Said1

Free Thinker

#12

Re: RE: Liberal Leadership Ra

May 7th, 2006

Quote: Originally Posted by bluealberta

Quote: Originally Posted by Semperfi_dani
My first choice in Scot Brison. Second choice is Stephan Dion (really..either one would be fine). Third choice.... umm...not really sure. I guess Ignatieff, but i don't really know a lot about him. Dryden might be ok in the whole unification of Canada issue.

But i'll take Brison or Dion over all.
Even if you are a liberal, how on earth could you support Brison after how he described Albertans as a whole after the 2004 election? The man proved he is a bigot by his outrageous comments about Alberta specifically and the West generally.

Remember how Klein described easterners?

bluealberta

#13

Re: RE: Liberal Leadership Ra

May 7th, 2006

Quote: Originally Posted by Said1

Quote: Originally Posted by bluealberta
Quote: Originally Posted by Semperfi_dani
My first choice in Scot Brison. Second choice is Stephan Dion (really..either one would be fine). Third choice.... umm...not really sure. I guess Ignatieff, but i don't really know a lot about him. Dryden might be ok in the whole unification of Canada issue.

But i'll take Brison or Dion over all.
Even if you are a liberal, how on earth could you support Brison after how he described Albertans as a whole after the 2004 election? The man proved he is a bigot by his outrageous comments about Alberta specifically and the West generally.
Remember how Klein described easterners?

25 years ago. Brison made his comments 2 years ago. Big difference. Klein was a mayor at the time, no thoughts of running for PM. Brison is a turncoat who will say and do anything for whichever party is willing to accept him. He is a bigot and made his feelings about Western Canada very clear in 2004. Yes, he will certainly unite the country with his sick attitudes.

Said1

Free Thinker

#14

Re: RE: Liberal Leadership Ra

May 7th, 2006

Quote: Originally Posted by bluealberta

Quote: Originally Posted by Said1Quote: Originally Posted by bluealbertaQuote: Originally Posted by Semperfi_daniMy first choice in Scot Brison. Second choice is Stephan Dion (really..either one would be fine). Third choice.... umm...not really sure. I guess Ignatieff, but i don't really know a lot about him. Dryden might be ok in the whole unification of Canada issue.
But i'll take Brison or Dion over all.Even if you are a liberal, how on earth could you support Brison after how he described Albertans as a whole after the 2004 election? The man proved he is a bigot by his outrageous comments about Alberta specifically and the West generally.Remember how Klein described easterners?25 years ago. Brison made his comments 2 years ago. Big difference. Klein was a mayor at the time, no thoughts of running for PM. Brison is a turncoat who will say and do anything for whichever party is willing to accept him. He is a bigot and made his feelings about Western Canada very clear in 2004. Yes, he will certainly unite the country with his sick attitudes.
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I'm not defending Brison. I ASKED a question. Big difference.

I thought you were a genious.

When is Klein stepping down?

Does he still yell a people in half way houses? Just curious. Really.

bluealberta

#15

Re: RE: Liberal Leadership Ra

May 7th, 2006

Quote: Originally Posted by Said1

Quote: Originally Posted by bluealbertaQuote: Originally Posted by Said1Quote: Originally Posted by bluealbertaQuote: Originally Posted by Semperfi_daniMy first choice in Scot Brison. Second choice is Stephan Dion (really..either one would be fine). Third choice.... umm...not really sure. I guess Ignatieff, but i don't really know a lot about him. Dryden might be ok in the whole unification of Canada issue.But i'll take Brison or Dion over all.Even if you are a liberal, how on earth could you support Brison after how he described Albertans as a whole after the 2004 election? The man proved he is a bigot by his outrageous comments about Alberta specifically and the West generally.Remember how Klein described easterners?25 years ago. Brison made his comments 2 years ago. Big difference. Klein was a mayor at the time, no thoughts of running for PM. Brison is a turncoat who will say and do anything for whichever party is willing to accept him. He is a bigot and made his feelings about Western Canada very clear in 2004. Yes, he will certainly unite the country with his sick attitudes. Quote has been trimmedI'm not defending Brison. I ASKED a question. Big difference.
I thought you were a genious.
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Semper Fi said:

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My first choice in Scot Brison.
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I answered your question. Klein will be gone by the end of the year. No he does not yell at people in half way houses.

Any more dumb questions?

Semperfi_dani

#16

RE: Liberal Leadership Ra

May 7th, 2006

Meh, who called who what makes no difference to me. Sticks and Stones in the political world as far as I am concerned. I still support Scot Brison because I like his ideas, his energy, his beliefs.

But i know he won't win...Dion is da man.

Said1

Free Thinker

#17

Re: RE: Liberal Leadership Ra

May 7th, 2006

Quote: Originally Posted by bluealberta

Quote: Originally Posted by Said1Quote: Originally Posted by bluealbertaQuote: Originally Posted by Said1Quote: Originally Posted by bluealbertaQuote: Originally Posted by Semperfi_daniMy first choice in Scot Brison. Second choice is Stephan Dion (really..either one would be fine). Third choice.... umm...not really sure. I guess Ignatieff, but i don't really know a lot about him. Dryden might be ok in the whole unification of Canada issue.But i'll take Brison or Dion over all.Even if you are a liberal, how on earth could you support Brison after how he described Albertans as a whole after the 2004 election? The man proved he is a bigot by his outrageous comments about Alberta specifically and the West generally.Remember how Klein described easterners?25 years ago. Brison made his comments 2 years ago. Big difference. Klein was a mayor at the time, no thoughts of running for PM. Brison is a turncoat who will say and do anything for whichever party is willing to accept him. He is a bigot and made his feelings about Western Canada very clear in 2004. Yes, he will certainly unite the country with his sick attitudes. Quote has been trimmedI'm not defending Brison. I ASKED a question. Big difference.I thought you were a genious.Quote has been trimmedSemper Fi said:
Quote has been trimmed

I'm not Semper fi, or is that a misquote?

And you mean Klein doens't yell a people in a drunken stupor anymore.

And yes, I do have another question. Why are you such a jerk?

bluealberta

#18

Re: Liberal Leadership Race - Who do we favour?

May 7th, 2006

Said1:

1. I was pointing out that Semper Fi supported Brison. I knew you did not.
2. No, Klein does not yell at people in a drunken stupor, and neither does Klein drink anymore. The people in the drunken stupor obviously do, though.
3. Me, a jerk? Hell, someone else just said I was a humanitarian. Sometimes you have to lower yourself to discuss things with people like you, so I guess if that makes me a jerk, then I am only getting down to your level. Sorry, I will try and keep the conversations up to my standard from now on, and leave you at the bottom of the ladder.

Happy yet??

FiveParadox

Liberal

#19

Re: Brison for Grit Leader

May 7th, 2006

I support the Honourable Scott Brison, P.C., M.P., the Member for Kings—Hants and the Environment Critic for Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition, in his bid for the leadership of the Liberal Party of Canada. To address the accusation of Mr. Brison being a "turncoat", I would remind the member that Mr. Brison left the Conservative Party of Canada after his Progressive Conservative Party of Canada had merged with the Canadian Alliance, with concerns that the more conservative views of the former Alliance members would dominate the party. Ultimately, he left over the party's position on same-sex marriage. He had a principled stance, left the party, and proceeded to be re-elected multiple times. He is not a turncoat.

Semperfi_dani

#20

RE: Liberal Leadership Ra

May 7th, 2006

Agreed 100% Five.

Jersay

#21

Re: Liberal Leadership Race - Who do we favour?

May 7th, 2006

You can keep all your Liberal candidates. And shove them in a locker or someplace that doesn't shine.

I will take Layton any day.

vishliberal

#22

Re: Liberal Leadership Race - Who do we favour?

May 8th, 2006

Quote: Originally Posted by #juan

Ignatieff ? He's lived in the states for the last twenty years or so. How can he still be a Canadian? His kids must all be American. He can stay at Harvard.

Ok, well lets see...he has lived in the States for the past twenty years is correct. However, as a Harvard professor, he still did lectures in Western Canada and many of his books were based on Canada. So HOW can he be a Canadian? 1. He is a citizen 2. He recieved a really good job at Harvard...that does not mean he doesnt like Canada, nor does it mean that he doesnt know anything about Canada because he grew up here. He also attended UfT. Just because he was working in the states doesnt make him any less Canadian, and he wrote frequently about Canada. Look at our present day PM, look at the relation he has with the USA. So presently it doesnt really matter. If someone decides to go and work in the United States, it doesnt make him/her any less Canadian and this applies to Ignatieff as it would apply to you or me.

As for his kids being American, Ive never heard of that.

He has the ability to lead the Liberal Party, and hes a fresh face, without any ties to Martin/Chretien. Something the party could use right now.

Grit86

#23

RE: Liberal Leadership Race - Who do we favour?

May 9th, 2006

I agree with vishliberal about the USA stuff. I also think it would be nice if we could all put the Chrétien/Martin era behind us and move on to something different.

Michael Ignatieff is an eloquent and intellectual leader who is, without a doubt, qualified for the position. I remember he said something in one of his speeches that went along the lines of: "What separates us from the Conservatives is our compassion and left-of-center initiatives. However, we also believe in remaining economically competitive and keeping taxes low -- that's what separates us from the NDP."

I just thought that was a very brief and clear way to put things into perspective for the voters. If Martin had shown even an ounce of that kind of focus during the campaign, maybe things would have turned out better.

#24

RE: Liberal Leadership Ra

May 9th, 2006

Kennedy is the man!

Jersay

#25

Re: Liberal Leadership Race - Who do we favour?

May 9th, 2006

Like I said before I will say again. You can keep all your little Liberal candidates because non of them are perfect. They have a facade about them just like Martin and Chretian and if you look at them are just as bad as Harper.

Look at Ignatieff since he seems to have th most support.

First he says he supports Iraq. Now he doesn't. He said something like at the time I supported it like everyone else. Wrong the NDP never supported it.

Second he said he supported torture, now he doesn't.

He is a flip-flopper just like Harper.

Even talking about these people makes me sick.

Colpy

Conservative

#26

Re: Brison for Grit Leader

May 9th, 2006

Quote: Originally Posted by FiveParadox

I support the Honourable Scott Brison, P.C., M.P., the Member for Kings—Hants and the Environment Critic for Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition, in his bid for the leadership of the Liberal Party of Canada. To address the accusation of Mr. Brison being a "turncoat", I would remind the member that Mr. Brison left the Conservative Party of Canada after his Progressive Conservative Party of Canada had merged with the Canadian Alliance, with concerns that the more conservative views of the former Alliance members would dominate the party. Ultimately, he left over the party's position on same-sex marriage. He had a principled stance, left the party, and proceeded to be re-elected multiple times. He is not a turncoat.

Mr. Brison most certainly IS a rat, but that's okay, he shares that distinction with a personal hero of mine, Churchill.

BUT......Mr. Brison crossed the floor to a cabinet post......I don't like that, but must draw attention to the outrage from Liberals when Mr. Emerson.........need I say More?

Now, to Mr. Brison's performance since he crossed.....he certainly is Liberal material, as I never once saw him actually answer a question through months of grilling during Question Period in the House, he lied, misdirected, he defended unfathonable corruption, positively squirmed with public adoration for his corrupt new master, and showed his arrogance carried over into his relationship with his constituents at home.

Principled?

I don't think Brison knows the meaning of the word.

An excellent Liberal, though.

Jay

#27

Re: Brison for Grit Leader

May 9th, 2006

Quote: Originally Posted by FiveParadox

I support the Honourable Scott Brison, P.C., M.P., the Member for Kings—Hants and the Environment Critic for Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition, in his bid for the leadership of the Liberal Party of Canada. To address the accusation of Mr. Brison being a "turncoat", I would remind the member that Mr. Brison left the Conservative Party of Canada after his Progressive Conservative Party of Canada had merged with the Canadian Alliance, with concerns that the more conservative views of the former Alliance members would dominate the party. Ultimately, he left over the party's position on same-sex marriage. He had a principled stance, left the party, and proceeded to be re-elected multiple times. He is not a turncoat.

Not much of a coat at all.

Colpy

Conservative

#28

RE: Liberal Leadership Race - Who do we favour?

May 9th, 2006

OOOOOOH< that is scary!

Where are the fashion police when you need them?

FiveParadox

Liberal

#29

RE: Liberal Leadership Race - Who do we favour?

May 9th, 2006

Mr. Brison didn't cross into a Cabinet post; he was a backbencher for quite some time before he was ever invited into the executive. Principled? He crossed in opposition to the principles of another party. That seems principled to me. As for Question Period, he may not have answered questions directly, but the Conservatives show contempt for the Parliament of Canada on various occasions — through responding to every question with "But the Liberals...", and on some occasions, calling all Ministers out of the Chamber to destroy Question Period entirely.

Jay

#30

Re: Liberal Leadership Race - Who do we favour?

May 9th, 2006

Is he married, because my wife wouldn't let me out of the house dressed like that....

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