The Hunt is Coming

Said1
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#91
Amanda:

Are you a vegan?
 
Doryman
#92
[quote="Melanie"]I don' t know, why not ask the court why Greenland was found humane and you inhumane. (meaning those who do and agree with this) Also while your at it why not ask Greenland why they refuse seal from you? And America,

I think the term is Protectionism. IF Greenland and America ban our products, it leaves the market wide open for their own.


Quote: Originally Posted by Melanie

. And those seals you kill that you say is a necessity for the cod stocks, why are they babies with nice pelt? HMMM let me guess. Let me see if you can guess. Pelt +free money=dead seal.

Exactly. I have never argued that the seals are not killed for money. They are. The sealers kiled the seals to get paid, just like fishermen catch fish for money, chicken farmers slaughter chickens for money, etc...

Quote: Originally Posted by Melanie

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You People meaning everyone who allows this barbaric hunt and ignores the truth of it. You people meaning I use to take up for the fact you just didn't have the whole truth about the hunt, now that you do, I can see why, they call you barbaric and lazy and money hungry evil.

You used to pick up for Seal Hunt supporters? Naughty girl, if Greenpeace finds out about this your losing the Ecofriend of the week Starbucks certificate. Tsk Tsk..

Quote: Originally Posted by Melanie

Does it not bother you we yell at the world and then we view this ugly truth?

I don't know about the rest of you, but I don't yell at the world. I try not to go around blowing off at other people.
 
Melanie
#93
The trouble with your world is not that you know so little, it is that the little you do know is just plain wrong. Fact! for ever little right reason you come up with for culling seal in this manner, there are 100 wrong ones. When something is more wrong than right, I suppose in your eyes it is ok to continue. Driven by monetary gain you fail to step away from yourselves long enough to openly view both sides. (No one here can say I haven't) But I can tell you haven't. Natural disasters could strike and cull that many without your help, you just do not know and if it does we are looking at extinction do to severe dramatical changes in the marine eco system, when giving something besides money a reason for hunting or not here, or mass culling, if we are honest we will see it is just plain ignorant and is an exact repeat of the past destroying many species.
There are nmany documented cases of seals washing ashore after mass culls and deaths caused by natural disasters. Fact 325,000 is not the true number many drown after being shot or not completely killed, we see the footage, so this hunt and the number of seals killed are not correct. In fact video footage says one third went unreported or unrecovered. I am so emazed at people who honestly say this is ok and put seal in a catagory with fish all the time. Has it registered to anyone here that they are warm-blooded intelligent animals with mentality's of five year olds? Meaning they can learn things and do remember. So this is no different than china and their cats and dogs, they also have a mentality of a five year old. So please people don't even try it. They aren't lobsters, which by the way are worth nothing hardly coming from Canada now. They are not fish (I am not sure if you are aware of this)Fisherman say they don't even want to bother with them. Losing more in lobster sales for seal pelt is absurd, however you just want to continue on your way and will as long as the world lets you. Checking lately I believe you will just have to find something else to kill for your easy money. By the way there are help wanted signs all over Canada, I would suggest considering grabbing a job before you sealers are out of business, a real job, a humane one. On any note I am out of here, a lost cause is simply that, a lost cause. By the way culling means ridding of weaker species not babies....does that mean people should cull the Newfoundler's sealers because their actions are clearly from the stone ages and they are clearly a threat to our marine population? Hmmmmm...............I didn't think so
 
Jay
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Quote: Originally Posted by Melanie

Driven by monetary gain you fail to step away from yourselves long enough to openly view both sides. (No one here can say I haven't) But I can tell you haven't.

Translation into normal people talk...."if you don't agree with the activists you simply aren't seeing this from both sides".


I thought you said you had a job?
 
Said1
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Quote: Originally Posted by Melanie

The trouble with your world is not that you know so little, it is that the little you do know is just plain wrong. Fact! for ever little right reason you come up with for culling seal in this manner, there are 100 wrong ones. When something is more wrong than right, I suppose in your eyes it is ok to continue. Driven by monetary gain you fail to step away from yourselves long enough to openly view both sides. (No one here can say I haven't) But I can tell you haven't. Natural disasters could strike and cull that many without your help, you just do not know and if it does we are looking at extinction do to severe dramatical changes in the marine eco system, when giving something besides money a reason for hunting or not here, or mass culling, if we are honest we will see it is just plain ignorant and is an exact repeat of the past destroying many species.
There are nmany documented cases of seals washing ashore after mass culls and deaths caused by natural disasters. Fact 325,000 is not the true number many drown after being shot or not completely killed, we see the footage, so this hunt and the number of seals killed are not correct. In fact video footage says one third went unreported or unrecovered. I am so emazed at people who honestly say this is ok and put seal in a catagory with fish all the time. Has it registered to anyone here that they are warm-blooded intelligent animals with mentality's of five year olds? Meaning they can learn things and do remember. So...

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Are you a Vegan. And no, not eating seal doesn't count.

See, the way I see is that the slaughter, yes slaughter of any animal, for the purpose of profit is cruel, regulated or no. Period. You've heard of a kosher butcher, haven't you? I'm not much of a vegan though, I'll admit to eating chicken and fish - the hypocrite that I am. But chicken and fish and crustations (lobster) are stupid, so who cares right? Would you support a child buring ants with a magnifying glass too?


And try and asnwer me with three or four sentances, I have no desire to re-read your thoughts over and over and over. Mmmkay?
 
#juan
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Melanie

Have you noticed? There are absolutely dozens of other topics on these forums.

The seal hunt has been going on in some fashion for going on four hundred years. Long before Newfoundland joined confederation. Who are we to tell them to stop. If the hunt bruises your tender sensitivities, don't look at it. You can't get much more remote that an ice floe in Labrador. It costs Protesters a lot of money to just get there. Don't feel sorry for them though, the protesters are making tens of millions more than the sealers.
 
Said1
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Quote: Originally Posted by #juan

Melanie

Have you noticed? There are absolutely dozens of other topics on these forums.

The seal hunt has been going on in some fashion for going on four hundred years. Long before Newfoundland joined confederation. Who are we to tell them to stop. If the hunt bruises your tender sensitivities, don't look at it. You can't get much more remote that an ice floe in Labrador. It costs Protesters a lot of money to just get there. Don't feel sorry for them though, the protesters are making tens of millions more than the sealers.

I don't think the protesters, such as her noticed the help wanted signs all over Canada either.
 
Doryman
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Quote: Originally Posted by Melanie

In fact video footage says one third went unreported or unrecovered. I am so emazed at people who honestly say this is ok and put seal in a catagory with fish all the time. Has it registered to anyone here that they are warm-blooded intelligent animals with mentality's of five year olds?Meaning they can learn things and do remember. So this is no different than china and their cats and dogs, they also have a mentality of a five year old.

That's just a lie, Melanie. Even Chimpanzees only have the intelligence of a 3-4 yr old... Seals don't come close to that. They are about as intelligent as otters or beavers. Simply learning and remembering cannot equate to the mental capacities of a 5 year old human.


Quote: Originally Posted by Melanie

By the way culling means ridding of weaker species not babies....does that mean people should cull the Newfoundler's sealers because their actions are clearly from the stone ages and they are clearly a threat to our marine population? Hmmmmm...............I didn't think so

Cull us then. We'll meet you on the floes.
 
Said1
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#99
Plus, learning and remembering things that are largely instinctual are not meausres of subjective potential intelligence. I think seals can be trained to do a little more than beavers, mostly involving hitting a ball with their nose and stuff.
 
Melanie
#100
I am hypocritical if I eat meat and an extremist if I don't, fact Canada will continue to kill seal as long as the world lets them, the hunt has been going on since the 1700's which is longer than 400 years, the inuits longer and they do not kill 1 million seal in three years.

Fact the loss of lobster sales (even in statements made by fisherman) say lobster is virtually worth nothing and not worth fishing, makes since losing money in tourism and lobster sales for killing seal, unless you just like killing them.



"Mr. Speaker, I would like to see the 6 million seals, or whatever number is out there, killed and sold, or destroyed and burned. I do not care what happens to them... the more they kill the better I will love it."

John Efford, Canadian Minister of Natural Resources

Fact when man eliminates all prdators to obtain the prey for himself or for economic increase we rid our world of all natural predators leaving weak, sickly prey. Natures natural cull of the weaker species is destroyed. And this doesn't take lies it is common sense.

The 2010 Canadian Olympic symbol which was unveiled April 25th 2005 arrived interestingly on the same day that 1,700 infant Harp Seals washed up on the shores of Newfoundland (collateral damage) only days after the largest mass killing of marine mammals in the history of the world.

Did you count these in your cull last year, or the ones lost because they went into the water and drown? Even places that hunt condemns Canada, shame! Didn't think so.

Well if the activists make so much money which is a lie, Watson, whether you like him or not proved his point and proved where his money went, on the other hand what about the poloticians accusing him, that have since been fired for such things as misappropriating funds along with other charges? hmmm...

All I know if they make so much and you know you are losing money or will? Why not cut off their way of making the millions? Fact the last time the law was passed banning white coat there wasn't half the attention or protest. In the end you will lose even the right to hunt for personal consumption and then people who need it to survive will be the ones hurt. The ones who are in it for the pelt will just find something else to cull for profit in mass numbers. Sad. Honestly bye all. When you can't get anyone to even look at a hunt for personal consumption and the sale of pelt and oil inside of Canada alone, (eventually it will be banned all over anyway) And think it is a win win, you know it is for greed, and when money is involved the people will fight for their rights to kill for it, all the way to death. Greed= lost cause.
 
Sassylassie
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#101
Do any of you forum members have a pattern for a seal skin coat, I really want to make the dog a coat for spring. Oh, and I need a recipe for Seal Flipper Pie. Thanks in advance.
 
FiveParadox
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#102
I have a recipe that calls for twelve seals, Sassylassie!

And an additional twelve seals to make a pretty tablecloth to eat it over!
 
#juan
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I have no idea what this dish should look like.

I just googled this recipe.

Seal Flipper Pie Recipe

Written by Ryan Woodford (CyberSpike)

Ingredients:
# 4 seal flippers
# 1 L water
# 500 ml soda
# 125 ml fat pork, diced
# 1 cup milk
# 2 onoins, chopped
# 5 ml salt
# 60 ml flour
# 250 ml cold water
# 5 ml Worcestershire sauce

Directions:
Soak flippers in 1 L of water and soda. Trim off excess fat.

Dry flippers and dip in seasoned flour.

Brown in pork fat. Add onions and make a gravy of flour, water, and sauce. Pour over flippers.

Cover and bake at 350 degrees F for 2-3 hours.

Make a pastry and cover the flippers. Bake at 400 degrees F for 30 minutes
 
Jo Canadian
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#104
You know as far as hunts go, I'm more worried about the ones the Japanese have for the whales. There's fewer of them than seals, and there's also no end in sight for that hunt ending either.

I'm not doing this in defense of the seal hunt, I assumed it would be more commons sense to protest the hunt of endangered species first, rather than your common ones.
 
Said1
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Quote: Originally Posted by Melanie

I am hypocritical if I eat meat and an extremist if I don't, fact Canada will continue to kill seal as long as the world lets them, the hunt has been going on since the 1700's which is longer than 400 years, the inuits longer and they do not kill 1 million seal in three years.

No, you're hypocritical because you find nothing wrong with killing other animals in an inhumane manner. And your pathetic because you think their less worthy because of what they are capaable of being trained to do.

Quote:

"Mr. Speaker, I would like to see the 6 million seals, or whatever number is out there, killed and sold, or destroyed and burned. I do not care what happens to them... the more they kill the better I will love it."

John Efford, Canadian Minister of Natural Resources

Are you asserting Efford said that? Or is it below? I think a link is in order. Whay say you?

Quote:

Fact when man eliminates all prdators to obtain the prey for himself or for economic increase we rid our world of all natural predators leaving weak, sickly prey. Natures natural cull of the weaker species is destroyed. And this doesn't take lies it is common sense.

Fact is, there is an overabundance of seals, putting pressure on whatever they eat....other fish right? This is simple cause and effect.

Quote:

The 2010 Canadian Olympic symbol which was unveiled April 25th 2005 arrived interestingly on the same day that 1,700 infant Harp Seals washed up on the shores of Newfoundland (collateral damage) only days after the largest mass killing of marine mammals in the history of the world.

Link.



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Well if the activists make so much money which is a lie, Watson, whether you like him or not proved his point and proved where his money went, on the other hand what about the poloticians accusing him, that have since been fired for such things as misappropriating funds along with other charges? hmmm...

What did he say exactly, who was fired. Link.

All I know is that in the end, you will lose. Too emotional, people will only point and laugh.
 
Said1
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#106
I tried seal at work once. Blech.
 
Jay
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Quote: Originally Posted by FiveParadox

I have a recipe that calls for twelve seals, Sassylassie!

And an additional twelve seals to make a pretty tablecloth to eat it over!

Oh my!

This is just a side of Five I've never seen before....I like it!
 
Jo Canadian
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Quote:

1,700 infant Harp Seals washed up on the shores of Newfoundland (collateral damage) only days after the largest mass killing of marine mammals in the history of the world.

Actually I remember hearing about that too, but it was because of the ice melting before it should've. When seals are born they spend a certain amount of time on the ice to get fat before they're ready to go in the water because they'll freeze to death, they are born without the proper insulation. So that one you can chalk up to mother nature, or Global warming. Whatever seems easier to blame.

sorry no link. I remember it from TV.

Besides It's not the infant seals that are hunted. If you want to protest that, then somehow travel back to the 60's and 70's.
 
Said1
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Quote: Originally Posted by Jo Canadian

Quote:

1,700 infant Harp Seals washed up on the shores of Newfoundland (collateral damage) only days after the largest mass killing of marine mammals in the history of the world.

Actually I remember hearing about that too, but it was because of the ice melting before it should've. When seals are born they spend a certain amount of time on the ice to get fat before they're ready to go in the water because they'll freeze to death, they are born without the proper insulation. So that one you can chalk up to mother nature, or Global warming. Whatever seems easier to blame.

sorry no link. I remember it from TV.

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Thanks, just looking for more detail.
 
Said1
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#110
Good bye troll, good luck on your exams!
 
Jay
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#111
Is he suggesting that clubbing 90 thousand seals isn't a real job?

I'm from Ontario too BTW.
 
Said1
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#112
Newfs weren't the only ones taking advantage of the "pogey" system, back in the good old days.
 
Said1
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#113
I thought you were leaving,like before. Eeeawww. That's my donkey impression. Good, eh?
 

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