Harper government weaker than Liberals


Jersay
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Harper's minority weaker than Liberals, Graham says after chat with new PM
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at 17:58 on March 21, 2006, EST.
By BRUCE CHEADLE

OTTAWA (CP) - It's up to New Democrats and the Bloc Quebecois - not Liberals - to see that the minority Conservative government survives its first throne speech, says Opposition leader Bill Graham.

With the House of Commons set to resume sitting in less than two weeks, Graham met with Prime Minister Stephen Harper for a half hour "courtesy call" Tuesday afternoon.

The interim Liberal leader emerged from Harper's office to say he reminded the new prime minister of his limited mandate from Canadian voters.

"He obviously made his points about where he intends to go with the speech from the throne," that will map out Tory ambitions on April 4.

Graham responded with counterpoints on maintaining the fledgling national child care program, on fully funding new aboriginal accords signed last November just before the election, and on a wider tax program than simply the proposed GST break.

"I did point out (that) his is a minority that is even less strong than ours and on many of these issues he knows that not only (does) he represent a minority of members of the House, but also in terms of the electorate," said Graham.

Harper's Tories captured 36 per cent of the popular vote and 123 seats on Jan. 23 - 10 fewer seats than the Liberal minority won in 2004.

Harper has since added another MP, former Liberal David Emerson.

The Liberals hold 102 seats, the Bloc 51, the NDP 29 and there is one Independent MP in the 308-seat Commons.

Graham said the Bloc and NDP helped topple the Liberals, causing an election that put Harper in power, "so let them vote for the government."

Debate over the throne speech will provide the first test of both Harper's resolve and of his political consistency.

In October 2004, the Conservatives and Bloc forced amendments to the throne speech of Paul Martin's new Liberal minority government, and Harper lauded the successful negotiations.

"I think what we've gotten over here is the idea that somebody's going to say, 'Here's my bill, or here's my throne speech or here's my government's agenda, and that's the way it's going to be - otherwise I call an election,' " Harper said at the time.

His rationale then was that a minority government doesn't have the legitimacy to set the whole agenda.

"The Liberal party can't expect to walk in and simply propose its own program that only one-third of Canadians supported and expect that everybody's going to vote for it."

Today, the Conservative government is adamant it will pursue only five specific governing priorities: a GST cut; a child care credit for parents; new accountability legislation for parliament; a patient wait times guarantee; and tough new criminal sanctions.

Harper met with Bloc Leader Gilles Duceppe after Graham, completing a first round of what his office is calling courtesy calls with the opposition. NDP Leader Jack Layton met Harper last week.

A Harper spokeswoman said Tuesday there is no set timetable for further meetings between the leaders concerning the throne speech before April 4, but did not rule them out.

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Hahahahahaha.
 
FiveParadox
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This is outrageous.

How can the Right Honourable Stephen Harper, P.C., M.P., the Member for Calgary Southwest and Prime Minister of Canada, be trusted, when he has shown this much hypocrisy in terms of his own words in the past!

If the Prime Minister refuses to negotiate on the throne speech, and attempts to set forth priorities that the opposition entirely opposes, then that is the fault of the Governmentnot Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition. That is the way the Westminster system works — if one does not have the support of the House of Commons, then one must be prepared to either resign, or recommend that the Parliament of Canada be dissolved.

If that's what it comes down to, and we have a choice between an agenda that a majority of us do not want, or running into another election — then for God's sake, bring them down. I have no problem going back to the voting booth.
 
Jersay
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If he doesn't negotiate and loses confidence in the throne speech does the GG have the authority to ask the next party to have confidence in the house?
 
FiveParadox
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If you are asking if she has the authority, then yes; the Governor General of Canada has the reserve power to refuse a request of dissolution from a Prime Minister, and appoint someone else with the best chance of governing. However, as to whether she would use this power, I don't know.

If the throne speech were defeated, so shortly after an election, there would be precedent to refuse a request and appoint the leader of the next-largest party (or whichever party leader would likely have the support of the House).
 
I think not
#5
Can one of you tell me what the throne speech is?
 
FiveParadox
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The Speech from the Throne is written by the Government of Canada, and read in the Senate chamber at the opening of a session of Parliament by the Governor General of Canada. Up to six days of debate take place in each House on the throne speech, and the House of Commons must express confidence in the throne speech in order for the Cabinet to continue. The throne speech sets forth the broad objectives and goals of the Government during its upcoming mandate.

If there is not confidence in the throne speech, then the Cabinet must either resign, or the Prime Minister must advise the Governor General to hold another election.
 
I think not
#7
Heh, in other words, Harper is f*cked?
 
Jersay
#8
Most likely screwed.
 
FiveParadox
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If he doesn't co-operate with the opposition, then it is quite possible.

Plus, the government of the day, generally speaking, has a better chance in the next election; so if the Governor General felt bound to appoint a new prime minister (seeing as how the House would have only sat for a matter of days), the Conservatives could find themselves again in opposition, and therefore at an inherent disadvantage in the election thereafter.
 
Jay
#10
They're bluffing.
 
Jersay
#11
Who?
 
FiveParadox
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I suppose we are going to see during the first or second week of April.
 
I think not
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#13
Well that is just crazy, he's been in office for 2 months, and he can get the boot?
 
Jersay
#14
Absolutely.

That is what makes it so perfect.
 
I think not
#15
Instability makes for perfection?
 
Jersay
#16
Instability?

Nah.

It is just results in another party having the chance to govern or at the most likely outcome another election at some point in time.

Instability nah.
 
Jay
#17
Well it isn't boring anyways...
 
Jersay
#18
I have to agree with Jay on this one, the House of Commons isn't too boring especially in this kind of situation.
 
I think not
#19
You'll join the Italians soon, them having 50 elections? since WWII?
 
Jersay
#20
If we keep having minority governments you never know. We have already had 3 PMs in 6 years.
 
#juan
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Just imagine, if Bush could be thrown out in two months. The world would rejoice.
 
Jay
#22
I know terrorists would be happy.
 
Jersay
#23
Yeah. It would be great.
 
I think not
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by #juan

Just imagine, if Bush could be thrown out in two months. The world would rejoice.

And of course we should always do what the world likes, yes?
 
FiveParadox
Liberal
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No, I think not; but wouldn't a lot of Americans be happy, lol?
 
I think not
#26
Quote: Originally Posted by FiveParadox

No, I think not; but wouldn't a lot of Americans be happy, lol?

Yes, and I would be one of them.
 
Jay
#27
You love him and you know it...
 
#juan
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Quote:

You'll join the Italians soon, them having 50 elections? since WWII?

Part of the problem is the number of political parties in Italy. Here is a list of most of them.

Major

The five political parties that have had more than 4% at the last 2001 elections

* Forza Italia 29,43%
* Democrats of the Left (Democratici di Sinistra) 16,57%
* Daisy-Democracy is Freedom (Margherita-Democrazia è libertà) 14,52%
* National Alliance (Alleanza Nazionale) 12,02%
* Communist Refoundation Party (Partito della Rifondazione Comunista) 5,03%

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Minor

Less than 4% at the 2001 elections:

* Northern League (Lega Nord)
* European Republican Movement (Movimento Repubblicani Europei)
* Federation of the Greens (Federazione dei Verdi)
* Federation of Italian Liberals (Federazione dei Liberali)
* Fiamma Tricolore
* Italian Democratic Socialists (Socialisti Democratici Italiani)
* Italian Democratic Socialist Party (Partito Socialista Democratico Italiano)
* Italian Liberal Party (Partito Liberale Italiano)
* Italian Radicals (Radicali Italiani)
* List Bonino (Lista Bonino)
* Italian Republican Party (Partito Repubblicano Italiano)
* Italy of Values-List Di Pietro (Italia dei Valori - Lista Di Pietro)
* New Force (Forza Nuova)
* National Social Front (Fronte Sociale Nazionale)
* Fascism and Freedom Movement (Movimento Fascismo e Libertà)
* Party of Italian Communists (Partito dei Comunisti Italiani)
* Pensioners' Party (Partito dei Pensionati)
* Popular Alliance-UDEUR (Alleanza Popolare-UDEUR)
* Sardian Action Party (Partito Sardo d'Azione)
* Sardinia Nation (Sardigna Natzione)
* Social Action (Azione Sociale)
* Socialist Party New PSI (Partito Socialista Nuovo PSI)
* South Tyrolese People's Party (Südtiroler Volkspartei)
* Union for South Tyrol (Union für Südtirol)
* Democrats Centre Union (Unione Democratici di Centro), 35 deputies at 2001 elections, also named Union of Christian and Centre Democrats (Unione dei Democratici Cristiani e Democratici di Centro)
* Valdotanian Union (Union Valdotaine)
* Christian Democracy for the Authonomies (Democrazia Cristiana per le Autonomie)
* Liberal Reformers (Riformatori Liberali)
* Movement for Autonomy (Movimento per l'Autonomia)
* The Socialists (I Socialisti)
* Alpine Star (Stella Alpina)
 
I think not
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by Jay

You love him and you know it...

 
Jersay
#30
Well there are 15 political parties in Canada.

A new system will allow other small parties to get into parliment.
 

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