Colin Powell Lied: 100 000 Died

FiveParadox

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I came across this article. It's ... "interesting." I don't quite buy into the premise.

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Anti Imperialist League[/i]]For Immediate Release: March 15, 2006

Toronto —­ Will Colin Powell be arrested? That is the question people across Canada are beginning to ask as word spreads of his visit to Toronto on March 15.

FiveParadox said:
I don't recall asking any such questions.
WHAT: “Die-In”, “Extraordinary Rendition-in”, and “Chalk and Awe”, to highlight Colin Powell's war crimes

FiveParadox said:
How creative.
WHEN: 5pm, Wednesday, March 15, 2006

WHERE: Roy Thomson Hall (King Street, just West of University Ave, Toronto)

WHO: Organized by ACT for the Earth

FiveParadox said:
Oh, God...
WHY: Colin Powell Lied: 100,000 Died

According to the principal of Universal Jurisdiction, some crimes are so egregious they can be tried in any court in the world. A case in point is the arrest of Augusto Pinochet in the UK. According to Wikipedia, “The British House of Lords ruled that Pinochet had no right to immunity from prosecution as a former head of state, and could be put on trial.” ACT for the Earth contends that the circumstances of Colin Powell's visit to Canada are similar enough to warrant his arrest. The British medical journal the Lancet has estimated that over 100,000 civilians have been killed by the US occupation of Iraq.

According to a 2004 report from the US House of Representatives' Committee on Government Reform, “Secretary Powell made 50 misleading statements about the threat posed by Iraq in 34 separate public statements or appearances.” The passage of the report pertaining to Colin Powell is included below. The full report which also documents misinformation from George Bush, Dick Cheney, Condoleezza Rice, and Donald Rumsfeld is available upon request.

FiveParadox said:
I dunno, they don't quite strike me as the "crimes against humanity" type.
Stupid, perhaps; but I think universal jurisdiction crimes are a bit out of their league.
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shortmanx5

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what is ridiculous is that anyone would even state that a high ranking american offical should be arrest because of the war. first off it would t happen, and if it did i sure wouldnt want to be the country that did it. i would imagine the bombs would start to fall soon on that country or i would hope they do
 

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RE: Colin Powell Lied: 10

Colin Powell is a war criminal, Donald Rumsfeld is a war criminal, Condy Rice is a war criminal,George Bush is a war criminal, Dick Cheney is a war criminal, Carl Rove is a war criminal and on and on and on they have all collectively been responsible for the death of thousands, when will justice be done. No Jimmoyer it's not rediculous read about the retreat of the Iraqi army from Kuwait and you will see what Powell did after hostilitys were declared over.It was mass murder.
 

shortmanx5

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the winners of wars dont get charged with war crimes or have you not looked back in history.
 

Dexter Sinister

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Well of course he lied. They all did: Bush, Powell, Cheney, Rice... And they continue to do so, but they're probably convinced they're not, pretending it's all about peace and democracy and freedom. It's not and never was. It's not about terrorism either, and it's only peripherally about oil. It's about who's running the planet, it's about a military-industrial establishment creating new enemies to justify its continued existence, and it's about preventing the appearance of a rival model to the American one of how to build a successful nation state. In other words, it's plain old 19th century imperialism--the British used to justify themselves in exactly the same terms when they were the global power--and it's laying the groundwork for a Third World War.

And anybody who thinks there's a finite non-zero probability that Powell will be arrested in Toronto is looney. No chance.
 

FiveParadox

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I would like to state first and foremost, that I do not perceive either the situation in Iraq, or the situation in Afghanistan, as having won anything quite yet; moreover, some of the events in the recent past have set precedents which would require us to consider things beyond only that of what history has taught us thus far.
 

FiveParadox

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If arrested in Toronto, then I would think that he would be tried in either the Supreme Court of Canada, or the Senate (since we adopted the laws of Great Britain, it would be reasonable to assume that exigent circumstances could be tried in the Senate, just as they can be tried in the House of Lords).

However, I doubt such a thing could ever happen.
 

Jersay

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what is ridiculous is that anyone would even state that a high ranking american offical should be arrest because of the war. first off it would t happen, and if it did i sure wouldnt want to be the country that did it. i would imagine the bombs would start to fall soon on that country or i would hope they do

SO when America loses in Iraq we can try them for war crimes.

And why can't other nations arrest U.S officials if they did in fact commit war crimes and America can do it to foreign political leaders. Doesn't work.
 

shortmanx5

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i remember i was reading a post from awhile ago is just as just more even. People actually thought that the pres could be arrested. the ss areound him would be enough to stop any such action if it did happeb
 

shortmanx5

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Because people always die in wars, that is not a crime. it a crime when they kill people on purpose . which we are not doing. the usa is not commiting genocide or anything like it. thats why no american offical would be arrested.
 

Jersay

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Maybe so. You are correct with that except for Fallujah where it is unknown how many civilians were killed intentionally and unintentionally by American soldiers and the use of a WMD.

Wouldn't that account as a crime?
 

shortmanx5

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Jersay said:
However, I doubt such a thing could ever happen.

He says he doubts, he didn't say it never could happen.

Nothing makes America and its officals any more special than anyone else.

in a perfect world that would be true, but we dont and no one would ever try to arrest one. the reason is because as bad as it may sound the usa doesnt follow alot of international laws, and without the usa a lot of international laws wouldnt matter, becuase we are the ones who inforce it.
 

FiveParadox

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I made no assertion that it could never happen.

As an example only, there is nothing that would stop the Seargent-at-Arms from arresting His Excellency the Honourable George Bush, the President of the United States during an address to the House; and nothing would stop the Senate of Canada from summoning him, by command of Her Excellency the Right Honourable Michaëlle Jean, C.C., C.M.M., C.O.M., C.D., the Governor General of Canada. There would be nothing to stop the Senate of Canada from convicting the President of war crimes, and sentencing him by resolutions of the Houses.

Obviously, such would probably be an act of war (from the perspective of the United States), but I am saying that it is not impossible, by virtue of the law. On another note, convictions by the Senate (as I would assume would be true from the House of Lords, as inherited in Canada) would not be subject to appeal.
 

shortmanx5

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thats the point iam tryin to make, it would be an act of war no one wants war with the usa, especacially over something so stupid like that.