Northern Ontario Secession Movement

Anything to break up and isolate the corruption problem in the GTA of Ontario is good for Canada as a whole.

With cancers the best thing you can do is cut off the limbs and save what can be saved. GTA Ontario should split off and become its own Country, that way it can be the south america of the North that it is rushing to become sooner and without taking the whole country down the tubes with it..

I agree with some who think that Ontario is too big geographically and population wise vis a vis the rest of Canada. Indeed I think a strong argument could be made that the Northern half of BC and Quebec could also be constituted as new provinces. it seems to me though that the problem in Ontario is more acute because the Northern realms have so little sway over policy in Toronto. With only 10 seats or so out of 108 in the Provincial Parliament it is easy to see how NOnt. issues could be easily disregarded or overlooked. Though, I am not in favouring of dismembering any province I think the question that needs to be asked is: Are large provinces unmanagable? or Do large provinces produce good governments for those who are not in the metropoles?

Canada's provinces are to large and unbalanced. The people are not well represented because of this. Canada was fine untill 30 years ago but now the densest parts are ruining the sparser parts.

Ontario could be broken up into five distinct States. Eastern, Northern, GTA, Central, Southern and each could have their distinct cultures remain intact. The other provinces could do similar as needed to add deversity and protect cultural differences.

We need to keep evolving and can't remaing as the Hudson Bay Company forever. People have to be governed by smaller more manegable size governments. Big Government is BAD GOVERNMENT. Democracy is lost to Beuracratism.

lotus, you answered your own question.

Large provinces have a great deal of difficulty representing every citizen equally due to density and issue variations.

However, the flipside is that large public projects would be harder to initiate with smaller provinces (smaller revenue streams) and the potential for more isolationist trends (area 1 thinks it should not put money into a project in another area even though it benefits area 1.) The way around this is to place more specific-to-inter-territory powers in Ottawa.

In Ontario, the richest Province in Canada we have Welfare States like the District of Muskoka who live off the handouts of the Province and Federal Government because they pilfer from the richer parts of the Province. If they where their own states they would have to work legitimately with they tax resources.

Because they grew acustomed to the handouts they do nothing but steal every penny they can.

It a shame for a region with some of the most expensive real estate in the provice to be run like a banana republic by public officials that enjoy screwing the public every way they can.

I am surprised that the provice does not send people in and take over their public administration. Their debts are so high they are borrowing money to pay interest on the money they have borowed which is why they can never get anything done with their own tax money.

If the Privince pays off their debts, they will steal it back in no time.

This is an old thread but just wanted to through in my two cents.

I use to be in favour fo keeping this country together but no more. I am from southern Ontario (an hour south of toronto) and would be more than happy to vote for seperation of ontario. No one part of Ontario is being served properly by either the provincial or federal government.

Two primary reasons .. although there are certainly more ...

1: Imigration: Canada needs imigration but everyone in the east is settling in southern ontario. Enough is enough. If Toronto wants to become bloated fine but down take the rest of southern ontario with you.

2: Taxation: The provincial gvt is maintaining institutions simply to keep their payrolls bloated. eg. PST: Why do we have a seperate retail tax division when an hst federal plan can do the same task at half the cost. We could drop 1 or 2 % off of PST just by getting rid of these redundant idiots in the ministry of finance. If Ontario breaks up maybe toronto can keep their stupid tax rules and let the rest of the new provinces or better yet ... countries create their own.

Someone needs to organize a referendum on a municipal level. Provincially it just wont work.. Each municipality needs to vote individually whether to suceed from Ontario and or Canada. Some will move some won't but at least the smart ones will. From then on it would be a matter of self determination. Some municipalities will join with otehr to form new provinces others will decide to become other countries.

Someone needs to set up a real site and start get this started.

Why fix what isn't broke?

Northern Ontario should seperate.

It has NOTHING in common with southern ontario that it does not have in common with every other province. It makes less sense for it to be part of Ontario than it does for each Marintime province to be seperate.

Sure it may be bad business sense with our current model, but we are in essence drowing out their political concerns.