Mackenzie valley pipeline - some detailed considerations.

cyberclark

Electoral Member
The CBC news last night had a gentleman on telling us about the plans for the Mackenzie Valley pipelines. I don’t know if it was for entertainment purpose or just off the wall discussion. Certainly it wasn’t journalism!

Let’s keep sight of the prize! The ethane for plastic manufacture is much sought after and is arguably the most valuable component of natural gas, more so than the hydrogen heating components. At no point do I see plans for a northern gas processing plant!

On the item discussed of “the pipeline will be buried”. This opens a book of conversation and reading. The permafrost in the NWT has been deteriorating at a rapid pace over these past several years. After ’63 as was this person’s reference point for arctic ice comparison. R. Angus built a modern shop in Inuvik, NWT. (Now owned by Finning Tractor)

The shop is a masterpiece of northern construction. Culverts were dug into the ground with ends open to allow cold air to get down low under the building during the extended cold months. Then gravel was layered followed by Styrofoam a foot thick. On top of this the concrete pad was poured and the building built.

After all these 20 years there is only a little bit of shifting and settling of the building, a few inches here and there.

By contrast, new buildings are being abandoned because they did not have the preparation and the buildings sank into the muskeg. Still others were abandoned during construction as they sunk faster than they could build them. (Today is -40 degrees in Inuvik)

This is in the upper latitudes of the pipeline.

The lower latitude that of Hay River, NWT has its own story where houses built in another age are sinking into the muskeg when tree cover was removed. Also at Hay River a “syncrolift” was built. A large hole was excavated from the shore line into the bank of the lake. This tore up the permafrost.

The insulated concrete box was built into this excavation and it was re filled.

The idea of a “syncrolift” is to float boats into this lock (box) settling it on movable beds. Then, a cable system lifts the boat up on this internal platform where work can be done on the hull. Cabling from the top sides pulled the sides in; extensive anchors didn’t help!

You have seen other versions in ships where the work ship sinks into the ocean and the water is pumped out to provide the dry dock.

Within two years the permafrost not only had not recovered it had further deteriorated. Liquid nitrogen was pumped down into and around the lift to freeze the ground. This was met with limited success and the lift use was discontinued.

In Tuktoyaktuk, Canmar had a drilling plantform set up and it had to be constructed on an insulated base which again did not remain stable over the long term. They found static electricity to be of a great concern because of very large “ice lens” under ground at various levels. These ice lens (multi) acted like electrical insulators promoting the storage of static electricity. To digress; the core samples brought up had “brand new” wood from logs measuring 30” in diameter from another age, far below the surface.

When the ground was thawed it had the consistency of “dirty water”

The fellow on CBC saying the pipe lines would be buried under ground is just nonsense unless they are elastic or have 120% expansion joints in the lines. Concrete anchors just are not going to work, nor is any amount of insulation at the lower latitudes!

Once that permafrost is opened, it will deteriorate at a very fast rate and is virtually uncontrollable. I have a picture of many kilometers of pipe pulling out of the bank, concrete anchors and all and ending up in the Mackenzie along with a large part of the terrain, making the river un-navigable.

This Gentleman (I assume tongue in cheek) said if the pipeline fails he would look to pressurized natural gas tankers in the Mackenzie delta serving the world. This is just plain nuts, some one speculating on things they know nothing about. The Mackenzie delta is a river delta that is navigated by river channels as is any river in the word! It would be impossible to get such a ship into the Delta let alone take it out with a load!

I’m looking for a job helping the Mackenzie valley pipeline and may be contacted at:
John Clark
cyberclark@shaw.ca
 

Karlin

Council Member
Jun 27, 2004
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Re: Mackenzie valley pipeline - some detailed considerations

Thanks for that insight CyberC

So you want a job there? Maybe my brother can help, he is going be the one to build the MacV pipeline, as he is CEO of Trans Canada Pipelines.

but I can't help, sorry. I am against this pipeline being built. AS your post shows, there are some construction challenges. It will certainly be above ground for about half it's length no matter that they say...

There are aboriginal issues, and it is splitting their community allready [divide and conquer] because, of course a very few of them will get a large piece of the pie - a few signatures for the aborignial cooperation is all they need - and the rest will see a few new buildings [hosptical schools etc] that won't be staffed or operational after two of three years...

There are the Porcupine Caribou, a great inernational treasure. They migrate through the area the pipeline will run, and calve in where the well will be drilled. Their's is a delicate balance of life in that rugged terrain.

The permafrost is an irony. If it stayed frozen solid, as it has been for 20,000 years, the pipeline would be a snap to build. However, with global warming, the ancient permafrost is melting, the area will turn into a big mushy marshy lake as it starts to change over. It wil shift the pipe around as it heaves and sloughs. Its like the oil industry has done it to themselves, ironic eh?

But a few temporary jobs, my brothers life long dream of building this pipeline, and an aboriginal or two gets their 15 minutes in the spotlights - those are not enough to make up for what we are spoiling up there.

Ya, it looks big, but its all connected and it will be harmed by this pipeline. We [humans] have proven our potential for being able to damage large tracts of land.

And of course, as a hardliner against global warming, I believe we should just leave that 'remote' fossil fuel in the ground for the future when it will be more valuable, where it cannot add to our biggest problem. Really, why would we want that?

Karlin
 

cyberclark

Electoral Member
Re: Mackenzie valley pipeline - some detailed considerations

More good old fashioned research has tossed up good information for a change.

The plan they have is to put huge metal screws down through several layers of permafrost and frozen sediment. The pipe will be dug in between these vertial anchors.

After the pipe is layed the plan is to bury it with gravel (getting gravel is going to be fun!), anchor the pipe to the vertical screws to keep it stable. That is it won't pop out of the ground or sink. One is as bad as the other.

Some temperate control on the lines are possible through the evaporation and condensation of the gas. (Like a refrigertor)

Apparely the vertial stansions have been tested and work.

Considering the onslought of global warming and the knowledge that permafrost does not tolerate meddling I have to wonder how long these steel scews are and, how long they will be in solid material.

Some other things have come to light.
If any of you are good at twisting numbers you could help?

In the news and posted to date.
There is 7 trillion cubic feet of gas in the delta.
The pipe line is going to cost 7 billion dollars.
Arctic gas has by my good estimate 30% more BTUs in it than does the souther gas. It is in terms, "dry" gas.

Our heating bill is charged by the Gigajoule (gj) we burn

The gas is traded in cubic meters.

I'm going to try to get some benchmark figures on how many BTU in our current gas per M cube. From that should be able to extrapolate how much this new gas is going to cost before profit which Klein and boys use 11% as being a working standard.

I think the MacKenzie Valley Pipline will be ground breaking to say the least and yes, I would love to be a part of it! What a hoot!