Conservatives not interested with Aboriginal Rights

Jersay

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On top of deciding to back away from the 5.2 billion health care and housing agreement completed in Kelowna, it doesn't seem Harper or any of his Conservative cronies are interested in Native people or their rights. I can just see Ipperwash starting all over again, on the federal level, here's a link to another issue concerning Conservatives;

FREDERICTON (CP) - An aboriginal group in Atlantic Canada is disappointed that not one Conservative candidate in the region responded to its pre-election survey on First Nation issues.

John Paul, executive director of the Atlantic Policy Congress of First Nation Chiefs, said Tuesday a questionnaire was sent to all Liberal, Conservative and NDP candidates in the region just after Christmas in order to gather political information for Atlantic reserves.

Paul said the organization e-mailed and faxed its short, four-question survey to all 32 Atlantic ridings. It received 25 responses from NDP candidates, 20 from Liberals, and none from Conservatives.

The deadline for responses was Monday.

"I'm pretty disappointed about it," Paul said of the failure of Conservative candidates to respond.

"I have no explanation as to why they didn't get back to us. We did contact their headquarters in Ottawa and regionally. We were trying to get the surveys wrapped up early this week to have time to issue the results to all of our communities and friends."

Questions on the survey relate to existing commitments to improve housing, health care, education and economic opportunities on reserves, including the federal Liberal government's pledge of more than $5 billion over the next five years to improve living conditions for First Nations people.

The congress of chiefs wanted to know whether the Atlantic candidates support those federal commitments.

"One of the biggest things needed is to improve the level of understanding and communication between our communities and the MPs themselves so they clearly understand the issues from our perspective," Paul said.

Officials with Conservative campaigns in New Brunswick and Nova Scotia said they don't recall receiving the questionnaires.

"We've never received anything by fax or mail," said Fred Schriver, office manager for Conservative candidate Mike Allen in the New Brunswick riding of Tobique-Mactaquac.

"I'm absolutely positive."

Officials in Peter MacKay's riding of Central Nova said they, as well, don't recall the Atlantic Policy Congress questionnaire.

A Conservative official in Ottawa said the questionnaire may have fallen through the cracks due to hectic schedules in campaign offices.

Jonas Langille, the Conservative party's political operations office for the Atlantic region, said he didn't recall seeing the questionnaire, although he had been contacted by a congress representative about it.

"It must be time issue," Langille said. "Most of our candidates receive hundreds of questionnaires like this. Unfortunately, some fall through the cracks because of all the time constraints to research and answer them individually."

Some aboriginal groups are concerned about Conservative Leader Stephen Harper's refusal to endorse the Liberal government's commitment to invest $5 billion over five years in native housing and health care.

Harper has said he accepts the objectives of the deal, but said further negotiations will be needed to work out the details for allocating money.

Paul said the Atlantic Policy Congress is non-partisan and just wanted information to assist First Nations voters in making their decisions. Roughly 20,000 aboriginal people in Atlantic Canada are eligible to vote in Monday's election.

"The prime minister of Canada, whoever he will be, has a great responsibility to all citizens of Canada, including all aboriginal people," Paul said.

"He will have to pay attention to all the people of Canada."

http://start.shaw.ca/start/enCA/News/NationalNewsArticle.htm?src=n011747A.xml

I hope the Native people of Canada don't vote for the Cons.
 

KanBob

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Jersay said:
On top of deciding to back away from the 5.2 billion health care and housing agreement completed in Kelowna, it doesn't seem Harper or any of his Conservative cronies are interested in Native people or their rights. I can just see Ipperwash starting all over again, on the federal level, here's a link to another issue concerning Conservatives;

I guess you missed the endorsement from the Congress of Aboriginal People.

Congress National Chief Dwight Dorey and National Vice-Chief Patrick Brazeau today endorsed the party after meeting with Prentice to discuss the Conservative Party’s policies on Aboriginal affairs. The Congress represents Aboriginal peoples living in urban, rural, and remote areas throughout Canada.

“After 12 years, the lives of Aboriginal peoples have not improved,” Prentice said. “A Conservative government would do better, and we will work closely with groups such as the Congress of Aboriginal Peoples to achieve the goals outlined in the Kelowna agreement.”

The party’s election platform, Stand up for Canada, includes a plan which respects Aboriginal people and provides opportunities for them. A Conservative government will also work with groups to develop a northern vision to guide economic, social, and environmental progress in the region.

“The Conservative Party is the only party with a plan to help Aboriginal Canadians,” said Mr. Dorey. “Their plans provide real choice and provide real opportunities, and I am encouraged by their policies.”

“Stephen Harper has opened the door for the Congress and other groups to work together to improve the lives of Aboriginals,” Mr. Brazeau said.

Or maybe you just wanted to miss it.
 

Jersay

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They represent a small select group of Aboriginal people who have been forgotten by Liberals, NDP, other Aboriginal groups and conservatives. However, they are cozing up to the Cons becase they are the ones in power.

I think it is a mistake.
 

Freethinker

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RE: Conservatives not int

I don't think the Aboriginals should expect much from Harper. This is a bit of a long read but good for some insights. BTW Marci McDonald is no Liberal Crony, I believe she is the first one to tear one off Paul Martin over his Foreign Registered ships. This piece is about one of Stephen Harpers main strategists. Called the Man Behind Stephen Harper. He seems to really have it in for Aboriginals.

http://www.davidorchard.com/online/media-2004/flannagan-walrus-macdonald-200410xx.html
 

KanBob

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Jersay said:
They represent a small select group of Aboriginal people who have been forgotten by Liberals, NDP, other Aboriginal groups and conservatives. However, they are cozing up to the Cons becase they are the ones in power.

I think it is a mistake.

They represent then 60% of natives who do not live on reserves, but in cities and rural areas. That is not a small select group.
 

cyberclark

Electoral Member
I think you guys are right on target. Harper's conservativs are quick to tell everyone they are hard right wing but no one seems to be listening.

I'm pretty sure Harper and his crew will find a way to rip off any natural resource on native lands! To open the charter of rights and freedoms he needs to make a case on something such as "property rights" which is a no brainer when it comes right down to it. Once open however, he can change anything he wants to with no discussion from any one and that means, native rights of any kind!

Dig in folks!
 

MMMike

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Re: RE: Conservatives not int

Freethinker said:
I don't think the Aboriginals should expect much from Harper. This is a bit of a long read but good for some insights. BTW Marci McDonald is no Liberal Crony, I believe she is the first one to tear one off Paul Martin over his Foreign Registered ships. This piece is about one of Stephen Harpers main strategists. Called the Man Behind Stephen Harper. He seems to really have it in for Aboriginals.

http://www.davidorchard.com/online/media-2004/flannagan-walrus-macdonald-200410xx.html

Flanagan doesn't 'have it in for Aboriginals'. Like many others he is just tired of this endless money pit that does nothing to improve conditions for natives. He is just tired of the status quo. Right? Wrong? I'd still take his fresh thinking over the Liberals' unwillingness to make unpopular decisions.
 

Breakthrough2006

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Aboriginals in Canada are likely the only group in the entire country that is substantially worse off today than 12 years ago.

All under Martins watch.

Martin is not the saviour you make him out to be. Not even close.
 

Jersay

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The NDP and the Green have good policies. The Liberals and COnservatives are crap.

Now just think people, he wants property rights in the constitution right? Well, the land owned by the Natives, is not their's it is not their land it is crown land except for a few occassions, Nunavut, Nisga'a and others.

Would he be trying to get around reservations by forcing Native people to take up indivual homes likes other Canadians, when they are no better off so they are swallowed up.

Interesting.
 

Jersay

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They represent then 60% of natives who do not live on reserves, but in cities and rural areas. That is not a small select group.

Flanagan doesn't 'have it in for Aboriginals'. Like many others he is just tired of this endless money pit that does nothing to improve conditions for natives. He is just tired of the status quo. Right? Wrong? I'd still take his fresh thinking over the Liberals' unwillingness to make unpopular decisions.

Flanagan is an idiot on Aboriginal affairs. He wants them to fend for themselves, have self-government less then local governments. They could pass by-laws and that is basically it.

He doesn't even recognize the metis and Inuit, which seem to have been forgotten in this campaign. SO the Conservative people who are going to run Indian Affairs, and have him in the background will do zilch for Native people.

Shows you what kind of government Harper will try to run, we agree in principle to Health care and Housing but we don't like the figures. They would scrap it and have the native foot the bill.

Pathetic.[/quote]
 

Triple_R

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With all due respect, it's about time that the vast majority of aboriginal Canadians started fully integrating into the broader Canadian society, and stopped wanting the Canadian government to honour obsolete land agreements signed well over a hundred years ago. We need to move forward people. We have to stop catering to the mentality within some aboriginals to maintain a subculture that is largely cut off from the rest of Canada. We need to more strongly encourage integration, and fight povery/unemployment on a broad basis, and not on an ethnic/racial one.

The aboriginals in Canada are suffering due to lack of integration; due to a lack of willingness to become a integrated part of the broader Canadian society. In the U.S., the aboriginals have integrated into the broader American society, and have made much entreprenurial gains through their casinos, and free market enterprising. The aboriginals in America are fairly well off right now due to their willingness to integrate.

Nothing will hurt a minority group moreso than an unwillingness to integrate within the broader society - and by that, I simply mean adhereing to the social norms and values of the day, and seeking to work within the system as oppossed to against the system.
 

Jersay

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With all due respect, it's about time that the vast majority of aboriginal Canadians started fully integrating into the broader Canadian society, and stopped wanting the Canadian government to honour obsolete land agreements signed well over a hundred years ago. We need to move forward people. We have to stop catering to the mentality within some aboriginals to maintain a subculture that is largely cut off from the rest of Canada. We need to more strongly encourage integration, and fight povery/unemployment on a broad basis, and not on an ethnic/racial one.

The aboriginals in Canada are suffering due to lack of integration; due to a lack of willingness to become a integrated part of the broader Canadian society. In the U.S., the aboriginals have integrated into the broader American society, and have made much entreprenurial gains through their casinos, and free market enterprising. The aboriginals in America are fairly well off right now due to their willingness to integrate.

Nothing will hurt a minority group moreso than an unwillingness to integrate within the broader society - and by that, I simply mean adhereing to the social norms and values of the day, and seeking to work within the system as oppossed to against the system.

They are working in the system to get what is rightfully theres.

The Federal government, liberal and conservative have tried for Canada's history to integrate aboriginals into its society, through means that you could classify as simple assimilation to the attempt at cultural genocide and annihilation.

That didn't work, integrating into a mainstream culture that is different then your didn't work.

Now through court cases and other means they are trying to get at resources and land that was stolen from them by the Canadian government many years ago.

Once they are able to get at these resources then they will be fine, stop putting them down and placing restrictions.

Integration my ass.
 

cyberclark

Electoral Member
This is a tremendous opportunity for the native population if they can pull it togeather!

The aborigine population is the single largest race group in Canada!

If they could turn out the vote they could put into parliment any party of their choosing!

Of course, turning out the vote is the holy grail for every one!
 

Dunkin

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RE: Conservatives not int

I'm not interested in aboriginal rights. They are canadians and they have the same rights as the rest of us. I'm tired of my hard earned money being funnelled to them simply because they are native. Its time for them to stop living in the past. I think these handouts harm them more than help them.
 

the caracal kid

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stop living in the past?

so you mean they should just accept assimilation?
so they should just abandon their culture and heritage?

the issues aboriginals face is far greater than the "money". The issues come from the anglo thinking the natives were "less" and needed to be converted, but still be nothing.

Perhaps we should just give them back all the lands that were stolen from them?
 

Dunkin

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Re: RE: Conservatives not interested with Aboriginal Rights

the caracal kid said:
stop living in the past?
so you mean they should just accept assimilation?
so they should just abandon their culture and heritage?
Now you are putting words in my mouth. I'm not saying they need to be assimilated or they need to abondon their culture or heritage. People of other groups maintain those things and do not require special rights or additional money.


Perhaps we should just give them back all the lands that were stolen from them?

Or maybe we should just continue giving them billions of dollars making them depedant on us. If anything this money we give to them corrupts them. Like a spoiled college student that has his way already paved.
 

the caracal kid

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well, just give them their lands back and they won't be needing any money. Of course, for places like alberta, that means the oil monies will be theirs.
 

Triple_R

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The caracal kid - Give them their lands back? Do you want to chop up Canada into tiny little bits, and then say to the natives "These lands are your lands, and the Canadian government has no jurisdiction here"? Oh, that's good for national unity...

"Give them their lands back"... what a bizarre idea given the fact that natives are often the first to argue that no person can truly own land.

The last thing we should do is 'give them their lands back'... we should be strongly encouraging them to fully integrate into Canada, not to become even more seperate from the rest of Canadian society. The problem is that there's too many people catering to this mentality on the part of some natives to remain a subculture cut off from the rest of Canadian society. It's time for them to get in the game, and start to feel proud of Canada, and forget about ancient history, for crying out loud. A society can never move forward, and a people can never move forward, until the past is left in the past.

I have no interest in an endless reperations game, and honouring ancient land claims that present a logistical and cultural nightmare scenario.