Harper and Klein trash Canadian Values!

Harper and Klein trash Canadian Values!

cyberclark

#1Jan 17th, 2006

Look to Alberta for a mild taste of what your Mr. Harper has planned for you. This happened even with some restraint being shown from Ottawa. Mr. Harper endorses these programmes and others far more extreme.

The point: Alberta has settled a class action suit for 100 million dollars, funds they admittedly ripped off, unlawfully from any number of social programs. The targets were people in distress, most totally unable to defend themselves; defenceless. Easy targets for Klein’s and Harpers Conservatives.It has been reported to me that Mr. Harper plans on eliminating all the surplus that is in the Employment Services funds and plans on reducing benefits to people there by forcing them into a labour market to which they are unsuited or unable to compete in because of constraints of one kind or another.
This I am told is going to be explained away as reducing costs to industry.

Take a deep breath before you vote Conservative! Your world will change to a point you will loose all your references and your elders and children will be much the worse for your efforts.

Details can be found at --

FiveParadox

Liberal

Indication of Harper

Jan 17th, 2006

While I would agree that the Government of Alberta should not have made such "cuts," the link that you provided, with all due respect, cyberclark, does not seem to indicate, in any way whatsoever (nor does it mention even once) the Honourable Stephen Harper in this matter.

nanaimoman

Re: Harper and Klein trash Canadian Values!

Jan 17th, 2006

Quote: Originally Posted by cyberclark

Take a deep breath before you vote Conservative!

Ok, I've taken a deep breath now. And I've decided to vote Conservative. Wait I already did on the 13th at my local advanced polling station!!

missile

Conservative

Re: Harper and Klein trash Canadian Values!

Jan 17th, 2006

" THE SKY IS FALLING, THE SKY IS FALLING"

nomore

Re: Harper and Klein trash Canadian Values!

Jan 17th, 2006

mashal law is comming....soldiers with guns on our streets!

Jay

Re: Harper and Klein trash Canadian Values!

Jan 17th, 2006

People will be buying beer and popcorn!

nanaimoman

Re: Harper and Klein trash Canadian Values!

Jan 17th, 2006

Quote: Originally Posted by nomore

mashal law is comming....soldiers with guns on our streets!

Yup and if they do the streets will be a safer place for it's citizens.

Doryman

Re: Harper and Klein trash Canadian Values!

Jan 17th, 2006

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hahaha..

Seriously, we're not making this stuff up.

cyberclark

RE: Harper and Klein trash Canadian Values!

Jan 18th, 2006

I just bought a new .357 mag in case we have a Harper type government. If its the Libs again maby I get a deal on it from Paul.

Dunkin

#10

RE: Harper and Klein tras

Jan 19th, 2006

Man I'm so sick of this liberal fear mongering. Its desperate and pathetic.

Honestly if Canada follows Alberta then we can expect a time of prosparity.

cyberclark

#11

Re: Harper and Klein trash Canadian Values!

Jan 19th, 2006

Canada gets a fair percentage of taxes off Alberta's resource. They are not complacent they want to keep it comming!

If Alberta didn't have oil it wouldn't support a dozen families on the industry that has survived here.

And to do this they rip off the population in general with the lowest royalities in the world.

If Canada followed Alberta the whole country would be down the tubes! Thats' not liberal fear mongering. It is a conservative business person stating the fact!

nitzomoe

#12

Re: RE: Harper and Klein tras

Jan 19th, 2006

Quote: Originally Posted by Dunkin

Man I'm so sick of this liberal fear mongering. Its desperate and pathetic.

Honestly if Canada follows Alberta then we can expect a time of prosparity.

theres always prosperity for the few who are obscenely rich, for the rest of us, including all those professionals out there, following albeta's "strategy" would lead to economic collapse. Mind you this boom isnt expected to last at the same percentage growth, eventually it slacks off or leads to a recession. That being said I like whats happening in Calgray a I feel its more natural and sustainable. I do not attribute that to Klein though but to business men moving to the cheaper areas to start businesses.

Semperfi_dani

#13

RE: Harper and Klein tras

Jan 19th, 2006

Who defines what Canadian Values are? What are Canadian Values exactly? Is it ONLY the ones that the Liberal Party or the NDP party tell us?

And for the love of all things, enough with the Alberta bashing already. While you guys were enjoying completely free healthcare, low tuition, gov't subsidized this and that in the 90's...we had to go through tuition going up over 200%, increased health care preiums (yep..we pay for it), decreased coverage in what is covered by healthcare..and so on. It was not easy for Alberta to get where it is today, but without the cuts we all endured, our money from "oil" and "gas" would be going entirely to our debt and we would be in the same situation. But we chose to pay down our debt and be responsible for our provinces finances. Now we are debt free and all our money goes to us. But half of it goes to you free loading provinces who are too effin lazy to get serious about their economy. So enough already. We are not the effing anti-christ for crying out loud.

FiveParadox

Liberal

#14

RE: Harper and Klein trash Canadian Values!

Jan 19th, 2006

I would hardly say that the Province of British Columbia is "lazy."

Our economy has greatly improved over the past two Legislatures; although, granted, many cuts had to be endured, and services are only now being restored to their pre-economy-damage-control levels, but we're getting there.

And I apologize most sincerely, Semperfi_dani, if I may have ever said anything to insult or throw into question the integrity of the Province of Alberta or its citizens.

Semperfi_dani

#15

RE: Harper and Klein tras

Jan 19th, 2006

Five Paradox..look, i understand that all provinces have had their struggles..but people forget that Alberta did too.

Its not you or anyone specific that I am singleout out..but I swear to God, it gets tiring every day turning on the tv or the radio or going on the internet and people associating Alberta with all things going wrong in life.

Last time i checked, or anyone else here from Alberta, we have CANADIAN listed as our citizenship, on my passport, on my birth certificate. But just for living in a province that is doing well, we are being treated like second class citizens not worthy of the Canadian title.

It gets tiring. I'm sorry you or anyone elses provinical government sucks. I'm sorry if your dog is sick, if you fish have died, if the weather is cold and your car won't start...but damnit, its NOT ALBERTA'S FAULT FOR EVERY DAMN THING THAT GOES WRONG IN THE COUNTRY!!!

FiveParadox

Liberal

#16

RE: Harper and Klein trash Canadian Values!

Jan 19th, 2006

That isn't what people mean to imply, I'm sure. I don't think that anyone could possibly be that short-sighted and shallow (and if they are, Semperfi_dani, then shame on them!). Perhaps some Canadians see the Province of Alberta in a somewhat "unfamiliar" light due to the conservatism of its Provincial Government? I mean, Alberta, in terms of your guys' economic success, but uncommonly conservative Government, might seem a paradox to some, since a majority of the country is, I would assert, decidedly liberal (small "l").

Toro

#17

Re: Harper and Klein trash Canadian Values!

Jan 19th, 2006

Quote: Originally Posted by Jay

People will be buying beer and popcorn!

I'm in.

Or at least for the beer part.

But only good beer. None of this Molson or Labbatts cooking crap.

Semperfi_dani

#18

RE: Harper and Klein tras

Jan 19th, 2006

But thats the thing Five Paradox..... It's not like i or any other Albertan views their life as any different. I would say that of Alberta's total population, maybe 40% are " born in Alberta"...the other 60 are born in the east, Ontario, BC, around the world, and wherever else they have come from to get a job. So being that so many of our population is from "outside alberta", from Liberal areas, yet the Tories win so resoundly, indicates to me at least that perhaps the rest of Canada is not as liberal as it claims to be....

Semperfi_dani

#19

RE: Harper and Klein tras

Jan 19th, 2006

But seriously...i refer to my first post in which i ask......

What are Canadian Values? And who defines what they are?

FiveParadox

Liberal

#20

Re: RE: Harper and Klein tras

Jan 19th, 2006

Quote: Originally Posted by Semperfi_dani

But thats the thing Five Paradox..... It's not like i or any other Albertan views their life as any different. I would say that of Alberta's total population, maybe 40% are " born in Alberta"...the other 60 are born in the east, Ontario, BC, around the world, and wherever else they have come from to get a job. So being that so many of our population is from "outside alberta", from Liberal areas, yet the Tories win so resoundly, indicates to me at least that perhaps the rest of Canada is not as liberal as it claims to be....

I didn't claim that the misconception was correct, only that it was there.

And I believe it is; and yes, perhaps at times I have viewed Albertans as somewhat "different" — but seeing how much it can personally affect someone, I find myself having to rethink that. When one considers everything rationally, Alberta is really quite the same thing as any other Province.

Alberta has a Lieutenant Governor, a Premier, a Cabinet, a Legislature, just as any other; it just so happens that Albertans choose, in general, a more conservative governing party than in other Provinces. There's nothing wrong with that — if a majority of Albertans wish to be governed thusly, then more power to them.

Moreover, besides those facts, we should be grateful to Alberta for the invaluable contribution they make to the rest of the country — due to their strong economy, the people of Alberta contribute more than their "fair share" to the nation. I would assert that Albertans would have to be, generally speaking, extremely generous for such to be true.

So, as a Liberal Canadian ...

Thank you, Alberta!

We are all the stronger as a nation for having you with us.

Edit Amended the end of my post.

bluealberta

#21

Re: RE: Harper and Klein tras

Jan 19th, 2006

Quote: Originally Posted by Semperfi_dani

Five Paradox..look, i understand that all provinces have had their struggles..but people forget that Alberta did too.

Its not you or anyone specific that I am singleout out..but I swear to God, it gets tiring every day turning on the tv or the radio or going on the internet and people associating Alberta with all things going wrong in life.

Last time i checked, or anyone else here from Alberta, we have CANADIAN listed as our citizenship, on my passport, on my birth certificate. But just for living in a province that is doing well, we are being treated like second class citizens not worthy of the Canadian title.

It gets tiring. I'm sorry you or anyone elses provinical government sucks. I'm sorry if your dog is sick, if you fish have died, if the weather is cold and your car won't start...but damnit, its NOT ALBERTA'S FAULT FOR EVERY DAMN THING THAT GOES WRONG IN THE COUNTRY!!!

Here Here, semper fi. I too grow weary of the bitching, and I too remember the 90 cuts, and I too very well remember the 80's after the NEP was imposed to deliberately destroy the Alberta economy. The fact that Alberta recovered from that, and recovered from the necessary cuts in the 90's is due primarily to the spirit of the Alberta people.

For the rest of Canada to bitch about us all the time when we pay the most PER CAPITA into Canada is hypocritical. If you don't like us, then don't take our money. We have better uses for it than Adscam, a gun registry, and an unneeded day care policy, to name three things. Get over yourselves. Jealousy is so passe!

the caracal kid

#22

RE: Harper and Klein trash Canadian Values!

Jan 19th, 2006

"Jealousy is so passe! "

it is, isn't it! (as i remember all the envy alberta seems to have towards Ontario and BC)

Semperfi_dani

#23

RE: Harper and Klein tras

Jan 19th, 2006

What envy? We could give a **** about any other place to be honest... like i don't sit there and go *geez, i sure wish i was in Ontario now*.

Well ..hold that thought...maybe i do. Cuz than i can call the army to shovel my driveway.

cyberclark

#24

RE: Harper and Klein trash Canadian Values!

Jan 20th, 2006

I agree, not Alberta's fault but you have to admit that Ralph in his clown suit managed to shuffle his way to achieve the leader of the right! He's the guy who walked out of ministers meetings. His group played the seperate if we dont' get our way, time and again.

In my heart of hearts I think it is specifically the Klein Government jumping on board the WTA agenda with such vigor that started the whole ball rolling.

the caracal kid

#25

Re: RE: Harper and Klein tras

Jan 20th, 2006

Quote: Originally Posted by Semperfi_dani

What envy? We could give a **** about any other place to be honest... like i don't sit there and go *geez, i sure wish i was in Ontario now*.

Well ..hold that thought...maybe i do. Cuz than i can call the army to shovel my driveway.

The people I have known that live in Alberta remind me of the people I have known in Las Vegas. They talked about how much nicer it is in <other places>: the better climate, the nicer cities, the better government, the better environmental record, bashed on the media (as one fellow put it "the farmer times"), etc, etc. Now why is it Alberta plays itself off of the other places? Just like vegas, everybody is trying to rationalize why they live there, trying to excuse being there. You got me why it is like that. Maybe it is different in Edmonton as I have only spent time in the lower half of Alberta where they affectionatly refer to EDmonton as DEADmonton. As one fellow in Calgary put it to me: " people only live in alberta for the oil money. Once they have saved enough they get out." He also said this is why there is no culture in alberta as people are only there doing their time and getting out.

That is why i see Alberta ripe with envy.

cyberclark

#26

Re: Harper and Klein trash Canadian Values!

Jan 20th, 2006

Well put!
The Alberta I grew up in is changing so very rapidly. Much has to do with weather. It wasn't that we had so much rain it was that the rain came at the best time for growing things.

We were always about 1/2 inch of rainfall over being ranked as a desert. Now however with the climate change firmly in place we have no moisture/too much moisture strata across the province and none of it appears to be enough to grow anything.

Yet, the politicals keep chasing their tails about how they are going to save rural Alberta while the kids are leaving home in droves and for good reason.

These farm kids make the best machine operators of the works!

I fault this Government in not building on the tremendous oil reserves. They are pumping 75 percent of the revenue into the pockets of the multi national oil companies. The 25 percent that is left over covers all the jobs travel meals; everything!

This outfit got brave and made an excursion into the Plastic Industry which promply went down the tubes when the price of oil went up.

We have not had mangement in this province since Peter Laugheed and now, he is working for the other side of the board peddling ATCO interests.

Yes, if I were to start another business it would be else where unless it was something that could sell directly into the oil patch.

I love this province. That's why I fight so hard for it.

bluealberta

#27

Re: RE: Harper and Klein trash Canadian Values!

Jan 21st, 2006

Quote: Originally Posted by the caracal kid

"Jealousy is so passe! "

it is, isn't it! (as i remember all the envy alberta seems to have towards Ontario and BC)

No jealousy here. Been to Ontario, and as much as I like trees occasionally, I prefer to be able to see more than a few miles. But I gotta admit, if BC was a little more stable, that would be my second choice.

bluealberta

#28

Re: Harper and Klein trash Canadian Values!

Jan 21st, 2006

I think the name of this thread should be changed to Harper and Klein trash Liberal Values. Liberal values and Canadian values are not one and the same, despite the claims to the contrary of the soon to be ex prime minister. I don't understand why people have to condemn the Alberta system but still envy the results. Seems a lot hypocritical. Only in Alberta can you go from enjoying the mountains, to foothills to prairies within a few hours. Our ecosystem is unlike any others, our entreprenurial system is unlike any others, and the spirit of our people is unlike any others. We welcome anyone and everyone, we have jobs, we have low taxes, we have no sales tax, we have career and employment opportunities up the wazoo, and as long as the feds don't try to rape us again, we will continue to have these advantages. Yes, resources are here, but it still took people with the above values, yes, Alberta values, to develop them. I still ask the question as to why Sask is just now becoming a have province? Surely the resources did not just stop at the Alberta/Sask border, did they? Difference is, Alberta has had a free enterprise government, and Sask has had a socialist, government knows better style of government for the most part.

But to not think that Albertans are here to make money and leave. The number of people you hear every day who came from some other part of Canada and who would now never leave is testament to that, as is their understanding of why Alberta has some issues with the Canadian federal system. It is our sincere hope that Harper will change this for the benefit of the entire country, but if he doesn't, rest assured he will be treated with the same scorn we give, in general, to the Liberals.

nitzomoe

#29

Re: RE: Harper and Klein tras

Jan 21st, 2006

Quote: Originally Posted by Semperfi_dani

Five Paradox..look, i understand that all provinces have had their struggles..but people forget that Alberta did too.

Its not you or anyone specific that I am singleout out..but I swear to God, it gets tiring every day turning on the tv or the radio or going on the internet and people associating Alberta with all things going wrong in life.

Last time i checked, or anyone else here from Alberta, we have CANADIAN listed as our citizenship, on my passport, on my birth certificate. But just for living in a province that is doing well, we are being treated like second class citizens not worthy of the Canadian title.

It gets tiring. I'm sorry you or anyone elses provinical government sucks. I'm sorry if your dog is sick, if you fish have died, if the weather is cold and your car won't start...but damnit, its NOT ALBERTA'S FAULT FOR EVERY DAMN THING THAT GOES WRONG IN THE COUNTRY!!!

I wish albertans would check their passports then as they seem to be the most cockyest independant minded ppl in all of canada. Nobody is blaming alberta for the provinces troubles, the problem is that your current premier seems to think that every1 else is screwing with their "rightful" earnings, they seem to forget that during the immigration times it was ontario and quebec fuelling their economies, that they werent self-sufficient. Hate to be cliche but alberta is not a team player.

nitzomoe

#30

Re: Harper and Klein trash Canadian Values!

Jan 21st, 2006

Quote: Originally Posted by bluealberta

I think the name of this thread should be changed to Harper and Klein trash Liberal Values. Liberal values and Canadian values are not one and the same, despite the claims to the contrary of the soon to be ex prime minister. I don't understand why people have to condemn the Alberta system but still envy the results. Seems a lot hypocritical. Only in Alberta can you go from enjoying the mountains, to foothills to prairies within a few hours. Our ecosystem is unlike any others, our entreprenurial system is unlike any others, and the spirit of our people is unlike any others. We welcome anyone and everyone, we have jobs, we have low taxes, we have no sales tax, we have career and employment opportunities up the wazoo, and as long as the feds don't try to rape us again, we will continue to have these advantages. Yes, resources are here, but it still took people with the above values, yes, Alberta values, to develop them. I still ask the question as to why Sask is just now becoming a have province? Surely the resources did not just stop at the Alberta/Sask border, did they? Difference is, Alberta has had a free enterprise government, and Sask has had a socialist, government knows better style of government for the most part.
But to not think that Albertans are here to make money and leave. The number of people you hear every day who came from some other part of Canada and who would now never leave is testament to that, as is their understanding of why...
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until the oil dries up, all the things you stated is ebcause of the increase in proven adn future oil reserves. The "alberta succes" relies mostly on the oil and sunrise jobs derived from it.

Im all for free market enterprise I just doubt the Conservatives or Ralph klein could make it work effectively. they'd screw up royally.

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