#1Jan 13th, 2006
"I didn't know it was a private clinic". Right. At the time he got his operation, there was a lot of publicity about this private clinic.
Good try Jack. Now try to defend your stance on private health care.....
Layton's True Colours
"I didn't know it was a private clinic". Right. At the time he got his operation, there was a lot of publicity about this private clinic.
Good try Jack. Now try to defend your stance on private health care.....
Conservative
#2
Re: Layton's True Colours
Jan 13th, 2006
Was it one recommended to him by his pal,Paul Martin? That's where he gets all his work done.
#3
RE: Layton's True Colours
Jan 13th, 2006
Everyone in the Toronto area knows that Shouldice is a private clinic, he knew. In all fairness though, where else would he go for the same excellent care, most guys are referred there, it one of the best in the world.
#4
RE: Layton's True Colours
Jan 13th, 2006
"Layton pointed to family illnesses, such as his wife Olivia Chow's cancer treatment and his own attack of appendicitis, as instances where he has had to make the choice to support the public system. He didn't mention his hernia operation."
Sometimes it's best to be forthcoming with the whole story....
Sometimes it's best to be forthcoming with the whole story....
#5
Re: Layton's True Colours
Jan 13th, 2006
Oh for christ stakes man. The closer we get to the 23rd the more dirt everyone is trying to dig up on the past to Expose the Hypocracy. Dunn dunn duuuuuh....As far as I know, Layton went to a clinic in the mid 90's for surgery....Surgery in a clinic. What kind of surgery can you get in a clinic????? Having a wart removed??? That and it was well publicised to begin with. WTF, much of my ideas and beliefs have shifted since 1995. I look back and think that I couldn't believe that I supported this particular belief or that particular person. Now I know better.
And because of that I'm inclined to think that All of the party leaders have gone through similar experiences since they happen to share our humanisic traits.
The way people are looking for dirt now, why don't we just go back farther, since they expect the person to be the same they were 10 years ago , 20, 30. Because of that Stephen Harper is a sexual predator for looking up the girls skirt in the Gym bleachers in grade three. Jack Layton Kicked a puppy when he was 4, and our Grande Poobah, Paul Martin went out into the woods with his grandfather and shot at targets WITH A HANDGUN when he was 13.
#6
RE: Layton's True Colours
Jan 13th, 2006
Maybe your right, Jo....there is a good chance here Jack Layton will grow up and realize what he is doing is silly....
#7
RE: Layton's True Colours
Jan 13th, 2006
The point is, he has said, IN THIS ELECTION CAMPAIGN that he would never use, or send his family to, a private clinic.
So, he is flat out lying. But he's happy with that, and I guess a lot of others are, too. I expect Harper and Martin to play with the truth. I though Layton would be straightforward and/or honest about what has to be the NDP's major plank; however, he has shown that he's every bit the slimeball that the rest of them are.
So, he is flat out lying. But he's happy with that, and I guess a lot of others are, too. I expect Harper and Martin to play with the truth. I though Layton would be straightforward and/or honest about what has to be the NDP's major plank; however, he has shown that he's every bit the slimeball that the rest of them are.
Conservative
#8
Re: Layton's True Colours
Jan 13th, 2006
As they're all lying cheats,I say give the guy who hasn't been elected his turn at the public trough. How much does a person have to steal to satisfy their power lusts?
#9
RE: Layton's True Colours
Jan 13th, 2006
I haven't been elected, and I only require 5 million to be satisfied....(US dollars please)
#10
RE: Layton's True Colours
Jan 13th, 2006
Good for Jack for going to a private clinic. There should be more of them in Canada. It alleviates the stresses on the public system.
#11
Re: Layton's True Colours
Jan 13th, 2006Quote: Originally Posted by TenPenny
Layton is a liar. He was a city councillor and knew damn well it was a private clinic.I see that in the true spirit of the NDP, Layton shows us all that private medical clinics are okay for some, but not for others.
"I didn't know it was a private clinic". Right. At the time he got his operation, there was a lot of publicity about this private clinic.
Good try Jack. Now try to defend your stance on private health care.....
#12
Re: Layton's True Colours
Jan 13th, 2006
Just like Harper is a liar because a 40s year old man has changed his colours and is more progressive now than 18 months ago.
Give me a freaking break. They are all liars and cheats, but the one that is the far the least dirtest is Layton. Both Harper and Martin are sleezeballs.
Give me a freaking break. They are all liars and cheats, but the one that is the far the least dirtest is Layton. Both Harper and Martin are sleezeballs.
#13
Re: Layton's True Colours
Jan 13th, 2006Quote: Originally Posted by TenPenny
He paid for it with his health card. I see that in the true spirit of the NDP, Layton shows us all that private medical clinics are okay for some, but not for others.
"I didn't know it was a private clinic". Right. At the time he got his operation, there was a lot of publicity about this private clinic.
Good try Jack. Now try to defend your stance on private health care.....
I've gone to private clinics without knowing it *shrugs* they look just like normal clinics and you pay the same way you do with puplic. Anyhow this was a privately run clinic and one which was a not for profit our outside the system. If you want to spin this story around Jack Layton didn't look into the clinic! but how many of us do? We go and pay with our health card, we knw the doc one way or another will get a cut in tax payer dollars. If you ask me this is a none issue. Just like Paul Martins Doc. Paul Martins doc runs a private clinic but Paul Martin pays with his health card, not with money he and Jack layton get the same health care as the rest of us and we've all used "private" clinics in the past without knowing it.
#14
Re: Layton's True Colours
Jan 13th, 2006
I will tell you if Jack, Paul or Stephen ever had a health issue they aren't going to wait, they will go wherever they have to and they will be laughing all the way to the private clinic.
These people have money, you seriously believe they will wait to get medical care? I don't think so.
These people have money, you seriously believe they will wait to get medical care? I don't think so.
#15
Re: Layton's True Colours
Jan 13th, 2006
http://www.ctv.ca//servlet/ArticleNe...on2006&no_ads=
read for yourself from what I'd call the more blanced network.
He paid for it threw OHIP and the clinic has been apart of the health care system for years. Also if you listen to what Layton said in the past. He said Private clinics in the system were normal.
Anyhow this is pretty sad when you have to twist things like this around. This is the type of Spin you would have in an american election.
read for yourself from what I'd call the more blanced network.
He paid for it threw OHIP and the clinic has been apart of the health care system for years. Also if you listen to what Layton said in the past. He said Private clinics in the system were normal.
Anyhow this is pretty sad when you have to twist things like this around. This is the type of Spin you would have in an american election.
#16
RE: Layton's True Colours
Jan 13th, 2006
You guys should love Conservative Alberta where the politicals pop into heart surgery on arrival un anounced at hospitals (Lougheed) and Waiting rooms are cleared to sick people who have been waiting hours to let Mr. Klein take over the hospital as his own private clinic!
Hospital:Rockyview
Its a sad state when we are reduced to one liners to make our point.
Did you know Alberta's Capital Health Region is considered to be "private"? And, it is Alberta's largest single employeer?
Did you know (I'm speaking from my tenure as Hospital Board Member) the title for the hospital and the ownership of the hospital belongs to the Hospital Board?
And, watch the next step when New hospitals are built around Alberta to be sold to Ralph's buddies for pennies on the dollar by the Regional Health Authorities who need only cabinet approval to sell any property or chattel.
It is Mr. Dinning who owns the Calgary Hip Replacement Hospital! How much goes down the tubes before we start thinking of what we are loosing?
Hospital:Rockyview
Its a sad state when we are reduced to one liners to make our point.
Did you know Alberta's Capital Health Region is considered to be "private"? And, it is Alberta's largest single employeer?
Did you know (I'm speaking from my tenure as Hospital Board Member) the title for the hospital and the ownership of the hospital belongs to the Hospital Board?
And, watch the next step when New hospitals are built around Alberta to be sold to Ralph's buddies for pennies on the dollar by the Regional Health Authorities who need only cabinet approval to sell any property or chattel.
It is Mr. Dinning who owns the Calgary Hip Replacement Hospital! How much goes down the tubes before we start thinking of what we are loosing?
#17
RE: Layton's True Colours
Jan 13th, 2006
Your defense of Layton is ludiucrous. I don't care so much for Jack using a private facility but I do mind when he lies about not knowing it was private.
Layton's exuberant endorsement of the thief, Svend Robinson, was bad enough but Layton's lie exposes the NDP leader's lack of ethics. Maybe he can pull a Svend and claim some bi-polar disorder.
Layton's exuberant endorsement of the thief, Svend Robinson, was bad enough but Layton's lie exposes the NDP leader's lack of ethics. Maybe he can pull a Svend and claim some bi-polar disorder.
#19
Re: RE: Layton's True Colours
Jan 13th, 2006Quote: Originally Posted by Calberty
Exactly. He knew it was private; it was in all the goddam papers that it was private, and he was a goddam councillor. I knew it was a private clinic, and I live in NB!!! Either he's just stupid, or he's trying to forget and hope someone doesn't notice. Of course the other politicians lie; Layton has just proved he's no better or different than the others; therefore, he and the NDP are redundant and completely useless, and offer nothing that the two bigger parties don't.Your defense of Layton is ludiucrous. I don't care so much for Jack using a private facility but I do mind when he lies about not knowing it was private.
Layton's exuberant endorsement of the thief, Svend Robinson, was bad enough but Layton's lie exposes the NDP leader's lack of ethics. Maybe he can pull a Svend and claim some bi-polar disorder.
#20
Re: Layton's True Colours
Jan 13th, 2006
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read for yourself from what I'd call the more blanced network.
He paid for it threw OHIP and the clinic has been apart of the health care system for years. Also if you listen to what Layton said in the past. He said Private clinics in the system were normal.
Anyhow this is pretty sad when you have to twist things like this around. This is the type of Spin you would have in an american election.
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read for yourself from what I'd call the more blanced network.
He paid for it threw OHIP and the clinic has been apart of the health care system for years. Also if you listen to what Layton said in the past. He said Private clinics in the system were normal.
Anyhow this is pretty sad when you have to twist things like this around. This is the type of Spin you would have in an american election.
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Courtesy repost for Finder imbedding his url
#21
Re: Layton's True Colours
Jan 13th, 2006Quote:
Agreed both Liberal and conservative people try to spin things to their own concern for their own benefit.read for yourself from what I'd call the more blanced network.
He paid for it threw OHIP and the clinic has been apart of the health care system for years. Also if you listen to what Layton said in the past. He said Private clinics in the system were normal.
Anyhow this is pretty sad when you have to twist things like this around. This is the type of Spin you would have in an american election.
Luckily it hasn't hurt Layton in the poll now that his party is around 18% in all big polling firm polls.
#22
RE: Layton's True Colours
Jan 13th, 2006
funnily enough in this Spin is the facts that Martin uses private clinics and Harper said he would use private clinics.
I agree this won't hurt Layton, but he really is not much more than a lame-duck already so there was not that much to "hurt".
I agree this won't hurt Layton, but he really is not much more than a lame-duck already so there was not that much to "hurt".
#23
Re: Layton's True Colours
Jan 13th, 2006
How solid is that 18%? Does that include the ones that will be spooked into voting Liberal.
#24
RE: Layton's True Colours
Jan 13th, 2006
Does anyone remember what the NDP poll numbers were like last time around?
Liberal
#25
Damage to Layton
Jan 13th, 2006
I honestly doubt that the support for the New Democratic Party of Canada, nor the Hon. Jack Layton, is going to be seriously affected by this issue; in my opinion, this alleged "scandal" pales in comparison to those of both the Liberal Party of Canada and the Conservative Party of Canada.
#26
Re: Layton's True Colours
Jan 13th, 2006
I truly believe that most Canadians understand that voting for the liberals wouldn't keep the Conservatives out. And because the NDP is intune with their values they are voting for the NDP.
We will have to see on election day how strong the 18% is but I wouldn't be surprise if it actually rises as people move away from the Liberals.
We will have to see on election day how strong the 18% is but I wouldn't be surprise if it actually rises as people move away from the Liberals.
#27
Re: Layton's True Colours
Jan 13th, 2006
And that's what politics are nowadays, a game of numbers, the lesser of two evils.
#28
RE: Layton's True Colours
Jan 13th, 2006
unfortunately, as the old saying goes "choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil".
Too bad that so long as the plebs are held in line with the bare amount of supposed "reward", they won't dare do anything to overthrow the system.
Too bad that so long as the plebs are held in line with the bare amount of supposed "reward", they won't dare do anything to overthrow the system.
#29
Re: Layton's True Colours
Jan 14th, 2006
I penned an article above about how most of Alberta's Health care is now "privitized" abiet into corporation with boards still appointed by the Government but, private never the less.
Hospitals have been private for many years, owned by the hospital boards who are appointed or in the past, elected.
These same boards and now Authorities can buy and sell hospital chattel property buldings at will, only need apporoval of the cabinet. Fox and Henhouse here.
The point being; of the million plus hospital visits I would guess that not 1 person thought "is this private or not".
That speaks well to an intergrated system. What isn't so good is when this equity is signed off to an insider, Mr. Dinning for instance.
No, on this one Mr. Layton is in the clear.
Hospitals have been private for many years, owned by the hospital boards who are appointed or in the past, elected.
These same boards and now Authorities can buy and sell hospital chattel property buldings at will, only need apporoval of the cabinet. Fox and Henhouse here.
The point being; of the million plus hospital visits I would guess that not 1 person thought "is this private or not".
That speaks well to an intergrated system. What isn't so good is when this equity is signed off to an insider, Mr. Dinning for instance.
No, on this one Mr. Layton is in the clear.
Conservative
#30
Re: RE: Layton's True Colours
Jan 14th, 2006Quote: Originally Posted by the caracal kid
"When faced with the choice between two evils, I like to choose the one I haven't tried before." Mae Westunfortunately, as the old saying goes "choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil".
Too bad that so long as the plebs are held in line with the bare amount of supposed "reward", they won't dare do anything to overthrow the system.
Gotta love her.
Edited to say:
I doubt she was think of health care policy, though.
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