Ponderous Intellect
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Location: Surrey, British Columbia
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Location: Surrey, British Columbia
January 12th, 2006, 12:56 AM
This is an excerpt from the Blog at the Liberal Party Web site.
This is an excerpt from the Blog at the Liberal Party Web site.
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It makes a good point, in my opinion.
Just had a chance to check in with the Conservative Spin-O-Matic 3000 Blogging Supercomputer and Water-Pik. Despite stark differences related to party affiliation, ideological viewpoint and favourite ice cream, I can't help but feel that in a different world, in a different time, we could be friends. Or, failing that, that it could be my toaster oven.
Anyway, Bloggie - I call it Bloggie - has been going on about the nationwide good-time penny-saving jamboree that would be kicked off by Stephen Harper's plan to reduce the GST. God, he's adorable! (Bloggie, I mean, not Stephen Harper. All things considered, Mr. Harper qualifies more as "rugged," like Clint Eastwood or most forms of linoleum.)
Allow me to quote directly from Bloggie: "Stephen visited an auto dealership in the riding of Kitchener-Conestoga to talk about the savings that families – especially those who don’t earn enough to pay income tax – would see when the GST is lowered to 5% over the course of his first mandate. With the GST cut your family would save on the purchase of a minivan..."
At which point Bloggie displayed a very nice photograph of Stephen Harper standing alongside a $24,000 minivan.
Since I know Bloggie is capable of processing 4.17 trillion calculations per second, I won't hesitate to ask it this one simple question: How many families that don't earn enough to pay income tax and have resisted pursuing a hobby in the alluring field of armed robbery can afford to buy a $24,000 minivan?
Anyway, Bloggie - I call it Bloggie - has been going on about the nationwide good-time penny-saving jamboree that would be kicked off by Stephen Harper's plan to reduce the GST. God, he's adorable! (Bloggie, I mean, not Stephen Harper. All things considered, Mr. Harper qualifies more as "rugged," like Clint Eastwood or most forms of linoleum.)
Allow me to quote directly from Bloggie: "Stephen visited an auto dealership in the riding of Kitchener-Conestoga to talk about the savings that families – especially those who don’t earn enough to pay income tax – would see when the GST is lowered to 5% over the course of his first mandate. With the GST cut your family would save on the purchase of a minivan..."
At which point Bloggie displayed a very nice photograph of Stephen Harper standing alongside a $24,000 minivan.
Since I know Bloggie is capable of processing 4.17 trillion calculations per second, I won't hesitate to ask it this one simple question: How many families that don't earn enough to pay income tax and have resisted pursuing a hobby in the alluring field of armed robbery can afford to buy a $24,000 minivan?
Member
Posts: 109
January 12th, 2006, 01:13 AM
Poor people have familes too, and they need to get around just like the rest of us. They might not be able to afford a brand new minivan, but they might still need to get a used minivan, or a used car, which are both also taxable by the GST. Not to mention all the other essential services that are taxable by the GST.
Please explain to me how the liberals income tax cut helps people who don't pay any.
You can try and bash the conservative tax plan all you want, but so far it is the only one out of the liberals and conservatives that actually addresses the lowest income earners.
so tell me again which one is for the rich.
Poor people have familes too, and they need to get around just like the rest of us. They might not be able to afford a brand new minivan, but they might still need to get a used minivan, or a used car, which are both also taxable by the GST. Not to mention all the other essential services that are taxable by the GST.
Please explain to me how the liberals income tax cut helps people who don't pay any.
You can try and bash the conservative tax plan all you want, but so far it is the only one out of the liberals and conservatives that actually addresses the lowest income earners.
so tell me again which one is for the rich.
Ponderous Intellect
Posts: 3,786
Location: Toronto
Location: Toronto
January 12th, 2006, 01:18 AM
I think GST should be removed from many commonly bought items. groceries is one thing it should be removed from completely. OK things like candy bars, coke and other items which are bad for your health, not so much. But items like mac and cheese, bottled water, oj, even froozen pizza shouldn't have GST on it. Putting GST on groceries is an attack on the poor and the middle class and threw out the years the gst has been put on more and more groceries.
besides that gst isn't too bad.
thats my two cents
I think GST should be removed from many commonly bought items. groceries is one thing it should be removed from completely. OK things like candy bars, coke and other items which are bad for your health, not so much. But items like mac and cheese, bottled water, oj, even froozen pizza shouldn't have GST on it. Putting GST on groceries is an attack on the poor and the middle class and threw out the years the gst has been put on more and more groceries.
besides that gst isn't too bad.
thats my two cents
Genius
Posts: 953
Location: Calgary, AB
Location: Calgary, AB
January 12th, 2006, 02:02 AM
The people who support the Liberal income tax cut plan on the basis that it is better for the poorer people are misled. The Liberal plan which only affects the lowest income earners, does nothing to help the people who are not earning. The Tory plan will be a cut for everyone, and their plan to help families, and other tax incentives have been found marginally better for the poor population, while also benefitting middle income and upper income people as well. Actually on the "liberal biased" CBC they did one of them reality checks on the two plans and found the Conservative plan better for the lower income people.
The people who support the Liberal income tax cut plan on the basis that it is better for the poorer people are misled. The Liberal plan which only affects the lowest income earners, does nothing to help the people who are not earning. The Tory plan will be a cut for everyone, and their plan to help families, and other tax incentives have been found marginally better for the poor population, while also benefitting middle income and upper income people as well. Actually on the "liberal biased" CBC they did one of them reality checks on the two plans and found the Conservative plan better for the lower income people.
Council Member
Posts: 2,255 
January 12th, 2006, 07:22 AM
GST is not applied to groceries.
GST is the best form of a consumption tax that there is. If Harper wanted to make a point, he'd mention that there's GST on gasoline as well, and instead of mentioning a $24,000 minivan, he'd talk about the fact that you'd see a cent off the price of gasoline...
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GST is applied to prepared foods, candy, etc, but food that you cook yourself is not taxed. That's why a lot of pizza places sell pizzas that are all assembled but not cooked - they don't have GST applied to them. Are you saying that mac and cheese, and frozen pizza have GST applied? Are you sure?
I think GST should be removed from many commonly bought items. groceries is one thing it should be removed from completely. OK things like candy bars, coke and other items which are bad for your health, not so much. But items like mac and cheese, bottled water, oj, even froozen pizza shouldn't have GST on it. Putting GST on groceries is an attack on the poor and the middle class and threw out the years the gst has been put on more and more groceries.
besides that gst isn't too bad.
thats my two cents
besides that gst isn't too bad.
thats my two cents
GST is not applied to groceries.
GST is the best form of a consumption tax that there is. If Harper wanted to make a point, he'd mention that there's GST on gasoline as well, and instead of mentioning a $24,000 minivan, he'd talk about the fact that you'd see a cent off the price of gasoline...
Member
Posts: 172
January 12th, 2006, 07:43 AM
32% of Canadians do not pay any income tax. This represents the poorest of the poor.
Benefit from Fiberals income tax cut: ZERO
These same poor people pay the GST on anything they buy except groceries.
Why are we having this discussion again?
To answer the question from the autobot Fiberal about the minivan. Simple. They borrow money from the bank or lease the vehicle. They will still be on the hook for the extra $500 if the GST is not reduced.
The Fiberal that made that comment has pockets full of money after stealing our tax dollars. He has lost touch with reality to the point where he forgot that most Canadians borrow for major purchases.
32% of Canadians do not pay any income tax. This represents the poorest of the poor.
Benefit from Fiberals income tax cut: ZERO
These same poor people pay the GST on anything they buy except groceries.
Why are we having this discussion again?
To answer the question from the autobot Fiberal about the minivan. Simple. They borrow money from the bank or lease the vehicle. They will still be on the hook for the extra $500 if the GST is not reduced.
The Fiberal that made that comment has pockets full of money after stealing our tax dollars. He has lost touch with reality to the point where he forgot that most Canadians borrow for major purchases.
Running out of ranks
Posts: 8,366
January 12th, 2006, 08:12 AM
"G.S.T. Cut Ineffective"
If the GST cut is ineffective then why did the liberals under Chrétien run a campaign with a promise to get rid of it?
For Liberals the promise was very effective....the reality is the cuts weren’t effective, because they lied through their teeth again and didn't do a bloody thing about it.
"G.S.T. Cut Ineffective"
If the GST cut is ineffective then why did the liberals under Chrétien run a campaign with a promise to get rid of it?
For Liberals the promise was very effective....the reality is the cuts weren’t effective, because they lied through their teeth again and didn't do a bloody thing about it.
