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January 11th, 2006, 07:01 PM
A comment on Canadian politics, government and elections.. how I'm seeing it.. and feeling about it....
Good Honest Canadian Citizens, who voted religiously for 35-years, are now saying they are not going to vote this election...
The problem is that the Canadian government is composed mostly of big business men's kids, who only pad their retirements, and drive the nation's whole federal and provincial governments exclusively for theirs, and their daddy's private business concerns...
This is no longer a "democracy" in Canada. It be more like a "Money-ocracy", a "Monocracy".. a close semblance to a communism style dictatorship.. a keen combination of Democracy, Communism, and Slavery.. a "demonoctracy" in which the peasants are given a choice of which dictator they want to herd and stifle them for the next four-years... The ancient Romans would be envious and proud of our present slavery system evolutions, in which the mindless slaves don't even know they are slaves...
This election as in those since Diefenbaker's, we must decide which soft tyrant-dictator to vote for...
The Canadian voter remains undecided because there is no one with any ethics to vote for.. and hasn't been for many years...
Politicians of today are just money concerned. They don't care about our Lives... They only care when public outcry-noise is too great to ignore, then they toss the apes a Cookie.. rather, a banana... That shuts us up for a couple months...
Canadian politics seems to be 95% money focused, 5% life focused...
Now days politics is just a money handling industry...
Canadians have no-confidence in their government...
All components of the Canadian Government need to be properly trained in the Humanities, and in HONESTY, and must be instilled in them, a reasonable degree of realistic RESPECT for LIFE!....
Most people I talk to, say "I'm Not voting this year!.. I don't want any of them governing my life and country." They can't even govern their own lives honestly.. They can't even trust themselves...
They are killing Canada like they are a great evil Cancer... They run the nation as if from their rectums... They are selling Canada, in tiny bits, for Money.. to whom ever waves a dollar... just like how we feed the chimps at the zoo... Who's the monkeys..?
The federal government needs to be flip-flopped.. and the Chief of Human Resources be made prime-minister for a trial-run... Maybe then we'll have a government responsible to the people... Maybe the population should just vote for the littlest guy... Maybe then we will start to get a fare government, and not the usual fair government... We have the vote... We have the Power for a day...
In an oversight, seeing 50-years of this whole Canadian election mess thing grow into excrement.. I honestly conclude that the NDP or the Green Party is the least evil of the three major-options they give us to vote for.. At least the NDP squashes the evils the Liberals and Conservatives have done, and starts fresh halfway through their stint.. and when the NDP are in, the little people can again save a little money in their bank accounts.. to give to the conservatives, when they get in next.. to clean up the mess the NDP did to the nation in trying to emulate the conservatives...
Do yourself a big favor... Help Canada shake off the Liberal and Conservative PARASITES.. to give this sorry dying fading little nation a chance to get-up off its back, and onto its knees again, to become again an involved, loved entity by all nations in the world again.. as we remain, "Canada the Gentle People Nation".. while our great almighty powerful warring neighbor wages a mighty nuclear drug-war on the whole third-world, for their oil and land and blood...
Vote NDP or Green Party to get us out of this Huge goopy Mess...
Get off your couches for a couple minutes and do you nation and yourselves a great justice.. Get your butt up, and get yourself out, and vote for a free Canada... Every single honest vote counts to our freedom from the evil...
P.S.: Martin needs to confiscate our Millions of dollars in privately owned precious gun collections, BECAUSE HE CAN'T DO HIS JOB!...
Martin's anti-gun policy would rip ALL the valuable guns out of good honest Canadians display cabinets and safes.. essentially robbing our millions of dollars in prized possessions.. to be turned into melted scrap metal upon Martins whim and folly.. leaving in its wake a lot of really pissed Canadians...
With that kind of mindlessness.. what other nasties has Martin got in store (onshore) for us?..
In that same line of thinking, Martin might attempt to legislate to castrate all Canadian males to thus prevent rapes in Canada...
From all I've seen and heard.. I am forced to conclude that Martin is absolutely NO-GOOD for Canada... I foresee that he would seriously damage this nation irreparably... He's too strung-out on money to be aware of what it takes to be a Canadian-king for four-years...
A comment on Canadian politics, government and elections.. how I'm seeing it.. and feeling about it....
Good Honest Canadian Citizens, who voted religiously for 35-years, are now saying they are not going to vote this election...
The problem is that the Canadian government is composed mostly of big business men's kids, who only pad their retirements, and drive the nation's whole federal and provincial governments exclusively for theirs, and their daddy's private business concerns...
This is no longer a "democracy" in Canada. It be more like a "Money-ocracy", a "Monocracy".. a close semblance to a communism style dictatorship.. a keen combination of Democracy, Communism, and Slavery.. a "demonoctracy" in which the peasants are given a choice of which dictator they want to herd and stifle them for the next four-years... The ancient Romans would be envious and proud of our present slavery system evolutions, in which the mindless slaves don't even know they are slaves...
This election as in those since Diefenbaker's, we must decide which soft tyrant-dictator to vote for...
The Canadian voter remains undecided because there is no one with any ethics to vote for.. and hasn't been for many years...
Politicians of today are just money concerned. They don't care about our Lives... They only care when public outcry-noise is too great to ignore, then they toss the apes a Cookie.. rather, a banana... That shuts us up for a couple months...
Canadian politics seems to be 95% money focused, 5% life focused...
Now days politics is just a money handling industry...
Canadians have no-confidence in their government...
All components of the Canadian Government need to be properly trained in the Humanities, and in HONESTY, and must be instilled in them, a reasonable degree of realistic RESPECT for LIFE!....
Most people I talk to, say "I'm Not voting this year!.. I don't want any of them governing my life and country." They can't even govern their own lives honestly.. They can't even trust themselves...
They are killing Canada like they are a great evil Cancer... They run the nation as if from their rectums... They are selling Canada, in tiny bits, for Money.. to whom ever waves a dollar... just like how we feed the chimps at the zoo... Who's the monkeys..?
The federal government needs to be flip-flopped.. and the Chief of Human Resources be made prime-minister for a trial-run... Maybe then we'll have a government responsible to the people... Maybe the population should just vote for the littlest guy... Maybe then we will start to get a fare government, and not the usual fair government... We have the vote... We have the Power for a day...
In an oversight, seeing 50-years of this whole Canadian election mess thing grow into excrement.. I honestly conclude that the NDP or the Green Party is the least evil of the three major-options they give us to vote for.. At least the NDP squashes the evils the Liberals and Conservatives have done, and starts fresh halfway through their stint.. and when the NDP are in, the little people can again save a little money in their bank accounts.. to give to the conservatives, when they get in next.. to clean up the mess the NDP did to the nation in trying to emulate the conservatives...
Do yourself a big favor... Help Canada shake off the Liberal and Conservative PARASITES.. to give this sorry dying fading little nation a chance to get-up off its back, and onto its knees again, to become again an involved, loved entity by all nations in the world again.. as we remain, "Canada the Gentle People Nation".. while our great almighty powerful warring neighbor wages a mighty nuclear drug-war on the whole third-world, for their oil and land and blood...
Vote NDP or Green Party to get us out of this Huge goopy Mess...
Get off your couches for a couple minutes and do you nation and yourselves a great justice.. Get your butt up, and get yourself out, and vote for a free Canada... Every single honest vote counts to our freedom from the evil...
P.S.: Martin needs to confiscate our Millions of dollars in privately owned precious gun collections, BECAUSE HE CAN'T DO HIS JOB!...
Martin's anti-gun policy would rip ALL the valuable guns out of good honest Canadians display cabinets and safes.. essentially robbing our millions of dollars in prized possessions.. to be turned into melted scrap metal upon Martins whim and folly.. leaving in its wake a lot of really pissed Canadians...
With that kind of mindlessness.. what other nasties has Martin got in store (onshore) for us?..
In that same line of thinking, Martin might attempt to legislate to castrate all Canadian males to thus prevent rapes in Canada...
From all I've seen and heard.. I am forced to conclude that Martin is absolutely NO-GOOD for Canada... I foresee that he would seriously damage this nation irreparably... He's too strung-out on money to be aware of what it takes to be a Canadian-king for four-years...
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January 11th, 2006, 07:17 PM
Very close what I would second.... but dont put too much hope towards the NDP.....Bob Rae: clean, nice, politically correct; but how was the debt situation in Ontario when he left?
The Feds NDP any better ? Don't hold your breath.
But wait for the responses on your comment........ or may be not ; some of the worst forum members have been silenced for the moment.
Very close what I would second.... but dont put too much hope towards the NDP.....Bob Rae: clean, nice, politically correct; but how was the debt situation in Ontario when he left?
The Feds NDP any better ? Don't hold your breath.
But wait for the responses on your comment........ or may be not ; some of the worst forum members have been silenced for the moment.
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January 11th, 2006, 08:40 PM
instead of not voting...we should vote Green or anything but the 3 major national parties...that way the Green Party would receive $1.75 for each vote they accumulated. Hey a better idea why don't we nominate local candidate in our ridings outside of Quebec and have them become Bloc memebers and then vote to have Quebec separate? LOL
instead of not voting...we should vote Green or anything but the 3 major national parties...that way the Green Party would receive $1.75 for each vote they accumulated. Hey a better idea why don't we nominate local candidate in our ridings outside of Quebec and have them become Bloc memebers and then vote to have Quebec separate? LOL
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January 11th, 2006, 09:19 PM
But anyway, it's good that you express your opinions. I'm always amazed that there are people who think Paul Martin wants to confiscate their guns for some nefarious purpose; but then again, people believe Jesus Christ was real.
Enjoy whatever version of reality you are experiencing.
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From what I've seen and read of your views, as summarized above, I can only conclude that you haven't seen and heard very much, and that you don't know much about our federal politicians.
From all I've seen and heard.. I am forced to conclude that Martin is absolutely NO-GOOD for Canada... I foresee that he would seriously damage this nation irreparably... He's too strung-out on money to be aware of what it takes to be a Canadian-king for four-years...
But anyway, it's good that you express your opinions. I'm always amazed that there are people who think Paul Martin wants to confiscate their guns for some nefarious purpose; but then again, people believe Jesus Christ was real.
Enjoy whatever version of reality you are experiencing.
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January 11th, 2006, 10:45 PM
In Response to the Topic Post
The Legitimacy of our Government
I would assert that there are a good many honest and hard-working Members of Parliament and Senators; we must not imply that each and every person who enters into the arena of governance is inherently corrupt and reprehensible.
As for properly "training" the components of our Government, I must again disagree; we are responsible for those who sit in the House of Commons and, by proxy, the other branches of our legislative and executive gonvernance institutions. If we elect these people to the Commons, and we are disappointed, then we should be no more disappointed in them than we are ourselves. We are not blameless, whatever the conduct of the House may be.
My Vote in the Thirty-ninth Election
As I have stated in this Forum before, unless something dramatic happens before the day of the election, I am going to be voting for Sukh Dhaliwal, the candidate for the Liberal Party of Canada in the riding of Newton—North Delta.
I do not trust the Conservative Party of Canada to uphold the rights of Canadians, and I do not trust the New Democratic Party of Canada to approach Canadian governance with a balanced approach; under both of the parties I have just described, I would be concerned with our budgetary framework and that payments to the debt would be neglected.
I cannot in good conscience vote for the Green Party of Canada because, in my opinion as from what I have seen on CPAC and its feature series, Campaign Politics, members of the Green Party are, in general, more right-wing than I would prefer to support in the House of Commons.
My conclusion: I should vote for the Grits.
In Response to the Topic Post Quoting
That is not true. To be perfectly clear, the proposed ban extends to handguns only. Hunting rifles, and most collectors' types of weapons would not be affected by the legislative measures to enact the ban. It would be appreciated if you could read into the facts before posting, so as to avoid propagating incorrect information.
Martin's anti-gun policy would rip ALL the valuable guns out of good honest Canadians display cabinets and safes.. essentially robbing our millions of dollars in prized possessions.. to be turned into melted scrap metal upon Martins whim and folly.. leaving in its wake a lot of really pissed Canadians...
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And Stephen Harper might attempt to legislate to deport every visible minority from Canada, and Jack Layton may propose to replace the Senate with a salad bar, and Gilles Duceppe may propose that a McDonald's Express be adjoined to the House of Commons chamber. But none of them are ever going to happen.
In that same line of thinking, Martin might attempt to legislate to castrate all Canadian males to thus prevent rapes in Canada...
The Legitimacy of our GovernmentI would assert that there are a good many honest and hard-working Members of Parliament and Senators; we must not imply that each and every person who enters into the arena of governance is inherently corrupt and reprehensible.
As for properly "training" the components of our Government, I must again disagree; we are responsible for those who sit in the House of Commons and, by proxy, the other branches of our legislative and executive gonvernance institutions. If we elect these people to the Commons, and we are disappointed, then we should be no more disappointed in them than we are ourselves. We are not blameless, whatever the conduct of the House may be.
My Vote in the Thirty-ninth ElectionAs I have stated in this Forum before, unless something dramatic happens before the day of the election, I am going to be voting for Sukh Dhaliwal, the candidate for the Liberal Party of Canada in the riding of Newton—North Delta.
I do not trust the Conservative Party of Canada to uphold the rights of Canadians, and I do not trust the New Democratic Party of Canada to approach Canadian governance with a balanced approach; under both of the parties I have just described, I would be concerned with our budgetary framework and that payments to the debt would be neglected.
I cannot in good conscience vote for the Green Party of Canada because, in my opinion as from what I have seen on CPAC and its feature series, Campaign Politics, members of the Green Party are, in general, more right-wing than I would prefer to support in the House of Commons.
My conclusion: I should vote for the Grits.
Ponderous Intellect
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January 11th, 2006, 11:45 PM
Paradox, I respect your opinion, but I think upholding a horribly corrupted government and saying the other parties who have not governed during this time are either not balanced or you don't trust. Hell both the NDP and Conservatives havn't had corruption scandels or racist comments, well at least the NDP on the racist comments part, but how can you say the Liberals are the lesser evil here? They are the worst choice in this election. They have proven themselves to be corrupted and just because the NDP wants to go more left and the CPC wishes to go more right you vote for the party which has proven itself corrupted?
Now I respect your choice in supporting the beliefs of the Liberal party, and the liberal party does represent a large minority of Canadians in beliefs, but in governance they are the worst party and they have actually proved it to us in the last 13 years. From day one they lied, they cheated and they stole from our pockets... Not stealing in how the conservatives would say taxing is stealing but actually stealing money from the tax payers as in enriching themselves in scandels. Not only this there racist comments lately hasn't helped much.
I think the two parties which have moral right here are the NDP and the CPC and the only thing keeping the Liberals alive is not love for the liberals but fear of the CPC
Paradox, I respect your opinion, but I think upholding a horribly corrupted government and saying the other parties who have not governed during this time are either not balanced or you don't trust. Hell both the NDP and Conservatives havn't had corruption scandels or racist comments, well at least the NDP on the racist comments part, but how can you say the Liberals are the lesser evil here? They are the worst choice in this election. They have proven themselves to be corrupted and just because the NDP wants to go more left and the CPC wishes to go more right you vote for the party which has proven itself corrupted?
Now I respect your choice in supporting the beliefs of the Liberal party, and the liberal party does represent a large minority of Canadians in beliefs, but in governance they are the worst party and they have actually proved it to us in the last 13 years. From day one they lied, they cheated and they stole from our pockets... Not stealing in how the conservatives would say taxing is stealing but actually stealing money from the tax payers as in enriching themselves in scandels. Not only this there racist comments lately hasn't helped much.
I think the two parties which have moral right here are the NDP and the CPC and the only thing keeping the Liberals alive is not love for the liberals but fear of the CPC
Ponderous Intellect
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January 12th, 2006, 12:37 AM
Paul Martin being the worst.
Minster of Finance during the scandel. He was encharge of the governments purse during the whole thing and he won't take responcibility for this. Plus Martin upholding Goodale in this latest scandel.
Damn.... it's out there for you to read to. It's like over an inch thick. Called the Gomery report.
I like Liberal policy just as much as any Canadian, but this government does not have the right to govern after all of this it's still arrogant and hasn't learned a single lession.
http://www.gomery.ca/en/index.asp
Paul Martin being the worst.
Minster of Finance during the scandel. He was encharge of the governments purse during the whole thing and he won't take responcibility for this. Plus Martin upholding Goodale in this latest scandel.
Damn.... it's out there for you to read to. It's like over an inch thick. Called the Gomery report.
I like Liberal policy just as much as any Canadian, but this government does not have the right to govern after all of this it's still arrogant and hasn't learned a single lession.
http://www.gomery.ca/en/index.asp
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January 12th, 2006, 12:41 AM
Yet the Tories are supporting a candidate who could go to jail after his next-month trial for charges of smuggling?
To be clear, please read the Gomery Report; it explicitly exonerates the Rt. Hon. Paul Martin. Mr. Gomery had the facts, and he interpreted them to the best of his ability — his Fact Finding Report is extremely extensive.
The Sponsorship program, at the request of the former Prime Minister, was ordered to be directed through the Prime Minister's Office, bypassing the Ministry of Finance and sneaking behind several Treasury Board failsafes. There was nothing that Mr. Martin could have done.
Yet the Tories are supporting a candidate who could go to jail after his next-month trial for charges of smuggling?
To be clear, please read the Gomery Report; it explicitly exonerates the Rt. Hon. Paul Martin. Mr. Gomery had the facts, and he interpreted them to the best of his ability — his Fact Finding Report is extremely extensive.
The Sponsorship program, at the request of the former Prime Minister, was ordered to be directed through the Prime Minister's Office, bypassing the Ministry of Finance and sneaking behind several Treasury Board failsafes. There was nothing that Mr. Martin could have done.
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January 12th, 2006, 01:31 AM
I think I will just give up now on this as I can see many people like to turn a blind eye to everything the liberal party has done.
Edit:
I wish this election would just end. It's depressing seeing the CPC or the Liberals win. I can't see Canada turn into the USA with the CPC victory and I can't take another 4 years of Liberal arrogance, scar tactics and il governance. I wish people would just give another party a chance to govern. Canada's history only two parties have ever gonverned! As a nation we have a short memory
I think I will just give up now on this as I can see many people like to turn a blind eye to everything the liberal party has done.
Edit:
I wish this election would just end. It's depressing seeing the CPC or the Liberals win. I can't see Canada turn into the USA with the CPC victory and I can't take another 4 years of Liberal arrogance, scar tactics and il governance. I wish people would just give another party a chance to govern. Canada's history only two parties have ever gonverned! As a nation we have a short memory
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January 12th, 2006, 01:34 AM
To be clear, I am not turning a blind eye. I will be quick to condemn the Liberal Party when they screw up. But simply because they screw up, does not mean that I'm going to withdraw my support.
You probably know that I'm a reasonable guy (most of the time), and that I'm (usually) pretty logical about things. You know what? If I weren't gay, my mind might have changed on this issue; it might just be because they're the only party in the House that I can really see protecting the same-sex marriage legislation. The NDP wouldn't have the influence, and the Tories would repeal the Act if they get the chance.
Hey...
I think this is one of those "agree to disagree" things, eh?
To be clear, I am not turning a blind eye. I will be quick to condemn the Liberal Party when they screw up. But simply because they screw up, does not mean that I'm going to withdraw my support.
You probably know that I'm a reasonable guy (most of the time), and that I'm (usually) pretty logical about things. You know what? If I weren't gay, my mind might have changed on this issue; it might just be because they're the only party in the House that I can really see protecting the same-sex marriage legislation. The NDP wouldn't have the influence, and the Tories would repeal the Act if they get the chance.
Hey...I think this is one of those "agree to disagree" things, eh?
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January 12th, 2006, 01:43 AM
Paradox I can't say you are wrong to support Liberal idea's, as do I, but the party is just too far gone for me. If they get in again it would only in bolden them to lie more, to cheat more and to become even more arrogant I mean come on! The racist attacks Liberals have used against Mr Layton and his wife are not of a liberal nature and these attacks come from inside the party leadership This isn't the party of Trudeau.
Truly I think the best government for Canada wouldn't be a Liberal minority with the NDP with the balance, but a NDP minority with the Liberals in the balance of power. you may laugh at that but I think that would be a good government. Progressive, yet with the liberals in the balance, moderate.
Paradox I can't say you are wrong to support Liberal idea's, as do I, but the party is just too far gone for me. If they get in again it would only in bolden them to lie more, to cheat more and to become even more arrogant I mean come on! The racist attacks Liberals have used against Mr Layton and his wife are not of a liberal nature and these attacks come from inside the party leadership This isn't the party of Trudeau.
Truly I think the best government for Canada wouldn't be a Liberal minority with the NDP with the balance, but a NDP minority with the Liberals in the balance of power. you may laugh at that but I think that would be a good government. Progressive, yet with the liberals in the balance, moderate.
