Canada's Conservatives, Liberals Tied in Latest Poll


Nascar_James
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Latest Poll ...

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Canada's Conservatives, Liberals Tied in Latest Poll, SES Says

Dec. 30 (Bloomberg) -- Canada's governing Liberal Party is statistically tied with the Conservative Party in polls for the first time since the election campaign began Nov. 29 after a police probe of a possible tax policy leak was made public.

The Liberals have the support of 35 percent of decided voters and the Conservatives have 34 percent, today's CPAC-SES Nightly Tracking poll found. The poll of 1,200 people has a margin of error of 2.9 percentage points. The vote is Jan. 23.

The poll is the first taken since Canada's Royal Canadian Mounted Police said Dec. 28 that they're investigating a possible leak of Finance Minister Ralph Goodale's Nov. 23 plan not to change income trusts' tax-exempt status. Trusts such as Yellow Pages Income Fund surged in trading before the announcement.

``Yesterday, when Canadians were watching the news, that's all they saw was that the RCMP was starting a criminal investigation,'' SES Research President Nikita Nanos said in a telephone interview from Ottawa. ``It's a new twist to people's view of the Liberal Party.''

There is no evidence of wrongdoing or illegal activity by Goodale or anyone else at this time, the RCMP has said. Liberal Prime Minister Paul Martin has rejected requests from opposition politicians who want Goodale to step down during the probe. That decision may have hurt Martin, Nanos said.

``When we look at measures such as trust and vision for Canada, Paul Martin actually took a hit yesterday,'' he said. ``He was down 10 percentage points on both of those measures.''

A spokeswoman for the Liberal Party wasn't immediately available to comment.

Today's poll is based on interviews conducted Dec. 23, 28 and 29. No polling was done over the Christmas holidays.

Martin was ousted by lawmakers, led by opposition Conservative Leader Stephen Harper, on Nov. 28 over allegations Liberal Party officials received kickbacks in exchange for advertising contracts in Quebec.

 
Jersay
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As long as the NDP are doing okay, I am not really concerned of the two main parties. Neither of them will have a majority and we will be voting either this year or next. And the fortunes of the NDP will rise. Hopefully at least.
 
the caracal kid
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the problem for the NDP is their fortunes never rise very far. The NDP needs to expand its base.

I, unlike you, do see the Ontario fascist transplanted to Alberta as far worse than the Bahama boat boy.
 
Jersay
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Lenin - look alike,

Boat Boy

or Fascist Ontarian now in Alberta,

I will still vote for the NDP. I do agree that they will have to open up their base to middle-class people, but I don't know about opening it up to the rich, it might be influenced like the Conservatives and especially the Liberals are.
 
Dexter Sinister
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Quote: Originally Posted by the caracal kid

I, unlike you, do see the Ontario fascist transplanted to Alberta as far worse than the Bahama boat boy.

Nice characterization there kid. I like your style.
 
Colpy
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Quote: Originally Posted by the caracal kid

the problem for the NDP is their fortunes never rise very far. The NDP needs to expand its base.

I, unlike you, do see the Ontario fascist transplanted to Alberta as far worse than the Bahama boat boy.

Let's see.

You have a party with mob connections that has stolen tens of millions of your dollars, truncated your civil rights and ignored the will of Parliament as expressed in a vote, thus rendering Canada a dictatorship, and you have the cojones to call HARPER a fascist?

I suggest you look up fascist in the dictionary.

I don't think it means what you think it means.
 
the caracal kid
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fascist

adj : relating to or characteristic of fascism; "fascist propaganda" [syn: fascistic] n : an adherent of fascism or other right-wing authoritarian views

as they say: if the title fits!

amazing how martin can be all the things you said he is and harper is still worse for canada.

enjoy this link! and laugh for once!
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Colpy
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Quote: Originally Posted by the caracal kid

fascist

adj : relating to or characteristic of fascism; "fascist propaganda" [syn: fascistic] n : an adherent of fascism or other right-wing authoritarian views

as they say: if the title fits!

amazing how martin can be all the things you said he is and harper is still worse for canada.

enjoy this link! and laugh for once!
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Hey! I try to maintain my sense of humour.

Will look at the link when I have time. I find it hard to believe anyone reasonable (which you seem to be) thinks Harper would be worse for Canada than the Liberals.
 
Ten Packs
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I was wondering today:
If the NDP steadily rise in the polls for the next three weeks, but fall flat the night the actual votes are tallied,

- Would that be a case of premature Jack G. Layton???









I slay me! I REALLY, REALLY DO!!!
 
Roy
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i dident know his middle name was G

whats the G stand for..


woulda been better if his middle name was U
 
Said1
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Quote: Originally Posted by Ten Packs

I was wondering today:
If the NDP steadily rise in the polls for the next three weeks, but fall flat the night the actual votes are tallied,

- Would that be a case of premature Jack G. Layton???









I slay me! I REALLY, REALLY DO!!!

I don't get it?
 
Breakthrough2006
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Latest Poll ...

Breaking News: Conservatives/Liberals Tied in Latest Poll

Better yet, seat projections show the Conservatives winning a minority government.
 
bluealberta
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Quote: Originally Posted by the caracal kid

the problem for the NDP is their fortunes never rise very far. The NDP needs to expand its base.

I, unlike you, do see the Ontario fascist transplanted to Alberta as far worse than the Bahama boat boy.

The fact you call Harper a fascist indicates you really have no idea about facscist or Harper. Good God, what does it take for you to not support the Liberals? Millions stolen, Billions wasted, and now more millions made by way of deviousness. Don't you ever get tired of having your money wasted? I value my tax dollars more than you do, and would like to see them spent responsibly, instead of wasted,

Fascist indeed. What a joke.
 
Colpy
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Quote: Originally Posted by Said1

Quote: Originally Posted by Ten Packs

I was wondering today:
If the NDP steadily rise in the polls for the next three weeks, but fall flat the night the actual votes are tallied,

- Would that be a case of premature Jack G. Layton???









I slay me! I REALLY, REALLY DO!!!

I don't get it?


It would be better if his name was Jack U Layton, but it is pretty funny anyway.

PrematureJack U Layton
 
the caracal kid
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Quote: Originally Posted by bluealberta

Quote: Originally Posted by the caracal kid

the problem for the NDP is their fortunes never rise very far. The NDP needs to expand its base.

I, unlike you, do see the Ontario fascist transplanted to Alberta as far worse than the Bahama boat boy.

The fact you call Harper a fascist indicates you really have no idea about facscist or Harper. Good God, what does it take for you to not support the Liberals? Millions stolen, Billions wasted, and now more millions made by way of deviousness. Don't you ever get tired of having your money wasted? I value my tax dollars more than you do, and would like to see them spent responsibly, instead of wasted,

Fascist indeed. What a joke.

firstly, i understand the true harper very well, and the con party. i also understand fascism very well, thank you.

secondly, i do not endorse the liberals, nor have i ever said i do. In fact i have never supported the liberals federally in any way, shape or form.

Why is this some overly simplistic binary thought process with so many? "gee, if you are against the cons you must be liberal", sort of like that line "you are with us or against us".

The SAD reality is that it is better to have money wasted by the liberals than to have the country wasted by the cons. So your out some tax dollars. Are you enjoying a good economy? do you enjoy canada's position in the world?

Now i know you are going to come back yet again and say that means i support the liberals. Well, i will say it again, I DO NOT! I will be open enough to admit when overall they have done a positive job with the country, which is more important than whining about corruption that is present in every party to ever get enough power to divert some funds their own way. This is far better than the wrecks we have seen under cons in the past, which are still not as bad as the wreck a neocon like harper would cause.

So i ask you do you even like canada? if you do why would you want a man who would americanize canada as much as he could get away with, who does not believe all people are created equal and should be treated equal?

Now that i have cleared that up i will say once again for all you binary types that i am most in line politically with the bloc and the NDP (in that order). Now if that is not enough to make your heads spin off, how about the fact that on policy alone i agree slightly more with the harperites than the libs? it just is that the parts of the harperites i disagree with are so digusting and vile i can not see anybody with a conscience supporting those .....

thank you!
 
bluealberta
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Why is this some overly simplistic binary thought process with so many? "gee, if you are against the cons you must be liberal", sort of like that line "you are with us or against us".

Well, this one is simple. The conservatives (not the cons, that will soon be the liberals), are the only right of centre party, so if you are against the Conservatives you must be against them.

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The SAD reality is that it is better to have money wasted by the liberals than to have the country wasted by the cons. So your out some tax dollars. Are you enjoying a good economy? do you enjoy canada's position in the world?

First, I reject your position that the conservatives will waste the country. Please point out one policy that they have that would do this. Secondly, I live in Alberta, so of course I am enjoying a good economy in spite of the wasteful Liberals.

Thirdly, what is Canadas position in the world? I suggest to you that we had a better position in the world under Mulroney than we do now. We have to rent other countries planes to get our so-called quick-response team anywhere in the world, we send our peacekeeping forces to the desert in jungle fatigues, our helicopters crash, our subs don't submerge, and now we find out that the government did not even know about other countries subs in our waters. Where exactly DOES that put us on the world stage, other than to be a joke on Leno or Letterman!

And lastly, I work way too damn hard for you to dismiss the stealing of money to be defined as "You may be out some tax dollars". You have GOT to be kidding, right? Or do you follow the Chretien policy of "Well, it is true dat a few million may have been stolen"? And this is the kind of country you can be proud of? Gimme a break.
 
the caracal kid
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ok: harper is the ultimate tool to drive quebec out of canada (and that is not the only thing harpie would drive out). lets just run up a huge deficit on election promises, or perhaps he won't and has been "misleading" all you conns down the primrose path. Go look at the history of harper's positions on everything all the way back to his entry into politics.

secondly, canada's position in the world. we have a strong economy and a strong dollar. that is a big change from the days of the dollar being called the canadian peso. It is all a matter of perspective though. If one likes keeping their business subsidized by a weak dollar then a strong dollar is 'bad'. Just like good economics is bad.

lastly, i am playing the "lessor of two evils" game with you. yes, even the lessor of two evils is evil, and that is why i don't choose either one of them! But being a realist, i would rather loose some money from my wallet than take it up the backside. Admit it, when it comes to the libs and cons it is a case of which way you prefer to take it. I am not proud of the political system at all. I want severe reform, the type of reform so radical in some politicians eyes they won't even talk to me openly about it. Playing the party game of reactionary voting just to get one out so another gets in is just plain stupid. And that is my OPINION of anybody that plays blindly to the current system as if it actually works.

If you want a break, you won't get a decent one from the harper boys, unless you are looking for a break-up of canada. (and on that point a breakup might be a good thing because true change sometimes takes a real kick in the nuts to get going) I for one though am not desperate enough to give harper a chance to work his magic on everything else just to see the long term effects that would come long after he is gone for good.

So you go ahead and vote for a man who has not a single progressive thought in his head, a man that thinks, well, like a <i won't say it> in failing to even view all citizens as equal because his book of myths tells him so.
 
bluealberta
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Quote: Originally Posted by the caracal kid

ok: harper is the ultimate tool to drive quebec out of canada (and that is not the only thing harpie would drive out). lets just run up a huge deficit on election promises, or perhaps he won't and has been "misleading" all you conns down the primrose path. Go look at the history of harper's positions on everything all the way back to his entry into politics.

First, how is he going to drive Quebec out of Canada? By treating Quebec as an equal province, no better and no worse? Gee, what a concept, equality between the regions. Second, if you think Harper is going to run up defecits, you are totally wrong. Thirdly, looking back at every party's position in the past will be the same. The Libs were going to Iraq, they supported missile defence, Martin and the Liberal party supported the traditional definition of marriage, etc. etc. etc.

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secondly, canada's position in the world. we have a strong economy and a strong dollar. that is a big change from the days of the dollar being called the canadian peso. It is all a matter of perspective though. If one likes keeping their business subsidized by a weak dollar then a strong dollar is 'bad'. Just like good economics is bad.

The days of the Canadian Peso were during the Chretien years when Martin was the finance minister. Nuf said.

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lastly, i am playing the "lessor of two evils" game with you. yes, even the lessor of two evils is evil, and that is why i don't choose either one of them! But being a realist, i would rather loose some money from my wallet than take it up the backside. Admit it, when it comes to the libs and cons it is a case of which way you prefer to take it. I am not proud of the political system at all. I want severe reform, the type of reform so radical in some politicians eyes they won't even talk to me openly about it. Playing the party game of reactionary voting just to get one out so another gets in is just plain stupid. And that is my OPINION of anybody that plays blindly to the current system as if it actually works.

I prefer the conservative method whereby I have the choice in how to spend my money, not leave it up to the "I know it all State" philosophy" of the Liberals AND THE NDP. Individuals should have the right to spend their money as they see fit, instead of sending massive amounts of tax money to the federal government to spend as THEY see fit. If you honestly think the federal Liberals know better how to spend YOUR money, go ahead and vote for them, because it takes any responsibility out of your hands. Personally, I prefer the conservative method, whereby money stays in my hands go spend as I see fit/

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If you want a break, you won't get a decent one from the harper boys, unless you are looking for a break-up of canada. (and on that point a breakup might be a good thing because true change sometimes takes a real kick in the nuts to get going) I for one though am not desperate enough to give harper a chance to work his magic on everything else just to see the long term effects that would come long after he is gone for good.

You are right, true changes need a swift kick (read: Boston Tea Party). But the first thing that has to happen in this country, and something that is espoused by the conservatives, is for the federal government to get out of provincial jurisdictions. The feds, under a liberal government, have intruded much too far in areas that are supposed to be provincial jurisdictions, and it is way past time that his type of governance be reversed. This is one of the fundamental differnces between the Libs and the Conservatives, and I support the Conservative positon in this area whole heartedly. If you support the idea that a central government should control all areas of your life, vote liberal or NDP. Otherwise, you have to vote for the right in this area.

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So you go ahead and vote for a man who has not a single progressive thought in his head, a man that thinks, well, like a <i won't say it> in failing to even view all citizens as equal because his book of myths tells him so.

I disagree totally with you. Harper has many progressive thoughts, including parental choice in daycare as opposed to state controlled and state influenced daycare, tax cuts for all, and free votes in Parliament (yes, I know what you were not willing to say). Why are you afraid of free democratic votes reflecting the wishes of the public? I am prepared to live with the results, are you? Or do you actually fear the results of a free democratic vote in a supposed democracy?????
 
the caracal kid
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considering FPTP does not produce democratic representation AND people usually vote on platform rather than local candidates, a free vote fails to be a democratic vote! For it to be a democratic vote, the constiuents would have to vote in a plebicite to tell their rep how to vote! Without government reform, there is no democratic free vote. That is just another "smoke and mirrors" game the cons want to pawn off on the public.

I am sure you are ready to live with the results of a majority of cons voting freely on issues the cons pretty much agree on given you like the con platform. Thats is a great illusion of democracy, and Harpie knows it.
 
Roy
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I prefer the conservative method whereby I have the choice in how to spend my money, not leave it up to the "I know it all State" philosophy" of the Liberals AND THE NDP. Individuals should have the right to spend their money as they see fit, instead of sending massive amounts of tax money to the federal government to spend as THEY see fit. If you honestly think the federal Liberals know better how to spend YOUR money, go ahead and vote for them, because it takes any responsibility out of your hands. Personally, I prefer the conservative method, whereby money stays in my hands go spend as I see fit/

This is probably the single largest reason I will be voting CPC. I find the taxation issue nothing but smoke from the Liberals. If we have the best economy in the G8 then why the hell are we paying income tax through the ass. People who own small business all want and need tax cuts, something the NDP has failed to recognize in their platform. We need to raise productivity in Canada to help us compete or else our quality or life will suffer. We are lagging behind the US and many countries, and this is absolutely unreasonable given our position and our strengths. The thing iyea the economy is doing all right, but it can be better.

Caracal kid you keep blasting us with you Harper the neocon, bush jr, scary, economy destroying crap......but why. Because of a government in power close to a decade and a half ago..... there is a reason that Canada does not elect NDP governments....there is also a reason why Canadians are reluctant to give the CPC a try however I think things are changing and your fear tactics are not working anymore.
 
Breakthrough2006
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I would also like to add that a Liberal victory in this upcoming election would be a dream come true for seperatists in both Alberta and Quebec.

If you're worried about the break up of Canada, then you should be voting Conservative because a vote for the Liberals "is" a vote for seperation. Three ways.
 
I think not
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12 years for ANY government is way too long in power, thank god we have term limits in the US, I can't even imagine another 4 years with Bush
 
Nascar_James
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Quote: Originally Posted by the caracal kid

fascist

adj : relating to or characteristic of fascism; "fascist propaganda" [syn: fascistic] n : an adherent of fascism or other right-wing authoritarian views

as they say: if the title fits!

amazing how martin can be all the things you said he is and harper is still worse for canada.

enjoy this link! and laugh for once!
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Yep, the title fits alright ... it fits the Liberal Party!

Fascism definition from the American Heritage Dictionary:

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A philosophy or system of government that is marked by stringent social and economic control, a strong, centralized government usually headed by a dictator, and often a policy of belligerent nationalism.

Given the high taxes to pay for high levels of welfare and/or taxing the hard working folks to pay for inefficient healthcare and useless government social programs, gun registry ...etc). As we can see, the definition clearly fits the Liberal Party.
 
Jersay
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To Nascar James, I wouldn't trust any US definition of anything.

Fascism, doesn't go on welfare, they are not concerned about most welfare institutes. They are not concerned about labour, and fascism tries to say that they will lower taxes for the hard-working people. I think you are thinking about socialism there buddy not fascism. Fascism fits Conservatives all the way.

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Given the high taxes to pay for high levels of welfare and/or taxing the hard working folks to pay for inefficient healthcare and useless government social programs, gun registry ...etc). As we can see, the definition clearly fits the Liberal Party.

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I would also like to add that a Liberal victory in this upcoming election would be a dream come true for seperatists in both Alberta and Quebec.

If you're worried about the break up of Canada, then you should be voting Conservative because a vote for the Liberals "is" a vote for seperation. Three ways.

Now I think both the Liberals and Conservatives are leading up to the seperation of some part of the country. With Harper, good old harper, he will give a seat on cultural institutions to Quebec. And if we go on what IAMCanadian said that we are all different, I am sure the Albertans and the Maritimers, and the Ontarians, and Newfoundlanders among others will complain about they want a seat too. If you claim that Harper is treating all provinces equally he isn't.

And if the Liberals get in Albertans will say, oh well, they didn't vote my way so I am going to seperate. Now that is fascism. You don't vote the way I am going to vote, so I will throw a fit and then seperate from you you eastern (censored).

Harper doesn't know anything about seperation in Quebec. Martin isn't concerned with seperation in Alberta, and only Layton is trying to keep everyone together, if you don't believe look at the English debate. Therefore, Harper and Martin will lead to seperitism.

Just to note, why would Conservatives not be corrupt bags of crap, just look at the first four letters in their Party name, CONS therefore conservatives want to elect Cons to office.
 
Breakthrough2006
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To Nascar James, I wouldn't trust any US definition of anything

So now your hate for anything American transcends into lexicons and dictionaries.

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And if the Liberals get in Albertans will say, oh well, they didn't vote my way so I am going to seperate. Now that is fascism. You don't vote the way I am going to vote, so I will throw a fit and then seperate from you you eastern (censored).

If it were only that simple. There's been an undeniable long line of western alienation. To pass this off as simply a hissy fit because Canada didn't vote the way Alberta did is dishonest.


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Harper doesn't know anything about seperation in Quebec. Martin isn't concerned with seperation in Alberta,

How do you figure Harper desn't know anything about seperation in Quebec? Because he didn't grow up there? We've had a major portion of out latest PMers come out of Quebec to no avail. Quebecers are pissed off at the Liberals, and the Liberals only.

Now Martin doesn't know anything about Western seperation would be a more accurate observation.
 
Jersay
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Now I don't hate everything American. I just hate everything that has to do with a conservative-republican perspective in American politics, especially the warcriminal Bush.

No, the first seperatism of the West started with the Metis who thought that their rights were not being recognized, which they haven't. Then this National Energy Plan, and Trudeau and his children fingering the west didn't help. However, western alienation is a half-truth.

No you don't have to grow up there to no about Quebec seperatism. However, when you don't even show interest in Quebec, in his first stop over to announce his Quebec candidates he had someone else do it, you know nothing about Quebec seperatism. Unlike Alberta, which has the majority 'culture', Quebec has a real claim for seperation, Alberta doesn't on cultural themes. So, someone doesn't follow my conservative values and maintains Universal healthcare and human rights, boo hoo.

Now, I can say these things about Alberta because I lived in that place for four years. *Shutter*

Ah, so you did not comment on the post about Harper and him giving Quebec seats in cultural institutions, under your ideaology of equal, that's not equal.
 
Jersay
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How do you figure Harper desn't know anything about seperation in Quebec? Because he didn't grow up there? We've had a major portion of out latest PMers come out of Quebec to no avail. Quebecers are pissed off at the Liberals, and the Liberals only.

Answer me this, if Harper knew anything about Quebec seperation, why is his party at 7%. I believe the Mulroney cons, lost Quebec support with their own scandals, and it doesn't seem to be coming back anytime soon, if ever.
 
Colpy
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Quote: Originally Posted by Jersay

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How do you figure Harper desn't know anything about seperation in Quebec? Because he didn't grow up there? We've had a major portion of out latest PMers come out of Quebec to no avail. Quebecers are pissed off at the Liberals, and the Liberals only.

Answer me this, if Harper knew anything about Quebec seperation, why is his party at 7%. I believe the Mulroney cons, lost Quebec support with their own scandals, and it doesn't seem to be coming back anytime soon, if ever.

Quebecers, over the last half century, have demonstrated that they will not vote for anyone not from Quebec.

That is why, since Trudeau won in 1968, every prime minister that served for a year has been from Quebec.

This is a trend that needs to be broken.
 
the caracal kid
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"Caracal kid you keep blasting us with you Harper the neocon, bush jr, scary, economy destroying crap......but why. Because of a government in power close to a decade and a half ago..... there is a reason that Canada does not elect NDP governments....there is also a reason why Canadians are reluctant to give the CPC a try however I think things are changing and your fear tactics are not working anymore."

incorrect. my views on the cons have nothing to do with the libs. if you read my previous post you would have seen i don't agree with the libs but hey, binary thought is an easier approach, isn't. Just cast someone where it is easier to make judgements, even if they are baseless! "you are with us or against us", "muslim or infidel". great!

And as Jersay said, separation was given its biggest boost because of the CONS! Do you remember where the bloc came from? Do you remember where Bouchard sat before forming the bloc? Do you remember anything about policy, corruption, etc prior to the chretien years? You want to paint the cons as this wonderful party of clean upright do-gooders and that is just a blatent lie. The worst thing is that harper is worst than any con prior! This is coming from somebody that admits to the actions of previous cons that were good moves, somebody that SUPPORTED MULRONEY an many issues. So stop trying to avoid the real issues with Harper and his pack by painting me as a liberal, or is all you can do is mimic the lame behaviours of your chosen mesiah?

Harper merely drudges up old failed con ideas and tries to resell them. His version of progress is to go backwards. You gripe about taxes, and yet you support the finacial mismanagement plan of Harper. Do you remember Mulroney's debts? With harper's fiscal plans you have one of the following coming: cuts to plans, massive debt, new taxes, or he is lieing to get votes.
 
Colpy
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Harper is not Mulroney.

Harper is fiscally responsible.

I love how people keep saying the PCs were taken over by Reform one minute, and then try to saddle the CPC with Mulroney's record the next minute.

Mulroney was a Red Tory, the antithesis of everything Reform.

In fact, in my opinion he was a Liberal in a blue suit.

So, as I keep asking, which is it?
 

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