Gun Control Stance Costs NDP

Roy

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Nov 23, 2005
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This artice is a little old as it was written after the 2004 election, regardless it could very well become relevent this time around again. It speaks to how the NDP has become more of an extreme urban socialist party and lost its roots.

http://www.fcpp.org/main/publication_detail.php?PubID=780


Gun Control Cost NDP Balance of Power

Close elections often turn on obscure events. Outcomes can be affected as much by the emotional tone of voters as they are by the grand visions of the parties. Here’s one example, the much-criticized firearms registry. I maintain that this issue, and this issue alone, caused the NDP to fall short of the required number of seats – they needed one more – to hold the balance of power in Parliament. Here’s why.

Like all political parties, the NDP is a coalition of interest groups. Broadly speaking the party can be divided between somewhat conservative, blue-collar unionized workers and populist farmers on the one hand and hardcore left-wing feminists, academics and assorted activists on the other. On certain issues, political leaders must choose between the often competing wishes of these factions. This is common to all political parties, but the experience of the NDP with the firearms issue is particularly instructive.

Up until this year, both provincially and nationally, the NDP had spoken with one voice in opposition to the registry. Indeed, Premiers Doer and Calvert of Manitoba and Saskatchewan respectively differed not a whit from the positions of the federal and provincial Conservatives. They gave this one to the NDP’s blue-collar faction.

These savvy Premiers knew that support for the gun registry was the kiss of death for them in rural regions, and even in some close city seats. Contrary to conventional urban wisdom, Manitoba’s NDP holds at least eight rural seats, possibly ten if Brandon’s two can be counted as rural. The NDP would lose its majority if it lost those seats.

Then along comes Toronto-centric NDP federal leader Jack Layton, who states that he supports the firearms registry. And he wants to persuade the Americans to tighten their own gun laws!

What Mr. Layton does not realize, and Messrs. Doer and Calvert understand completely, is that the gun registry is a “voter determinant.” This means that some people will base their vote solely on that issue. And in the case of the gun registry, it only works in one direction. The registry does not get you votes, it only loses you votes. Gun registry supporters may or may not vote for you, but registry opponents will certainly vote against you. This can have major impacts in certain constituencies. In a close national election, it can make all the difference.

What did Mr. Layton’s stand mean for the NDP? They kissed some potential seats goodbye in Manitoba, specifically Dauphin-Swan River and Selkirk-Interlake. The latter contains provincial seats mostly held by the NDP. In the former, the policy completely undercut a capable NDP candidate, Crop Insurance Chair Walter Kolisnyk.

In Saskatchewan it was a complete NDP wipe-out. For the first time in recent memory, that province failed to send a single NDP MP to Ottawa. Popular and long-serving MPs like Dick Proctor, the NDP’s high profile agriculture critic, and Lorne Nystrom were unseated. In close races, the firearms registry is the kind of issue that determines who wins. Those two seats would have given the federal NDP the balance of power.

What’s obvious is that Jack Layton’s federal NDP has made a conscious choice to focus on a cities agenda. And it’s equally obvious that Manitoba Premier Doer has no intention of going down the same path. Good for him.
 

Calberty

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Dec 7, 2005
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The Gun Registry showed the NDP's hand. who does it represent? who REALLY matter when the chips are down? The Svend Robinsons or Saskatchewan farmers?
 

Roy

Electoral Member
Nov 23, 2005
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The Gun Registry showed the NDP's hand. who does it represent? who REALLY matter when the chips are down? The Svend Robinsons or Saskatchewan farmers?

exactally, can't understand how a man with such a troubled and stupid past is running for the NDP. sad thing is that people like him that have taken over the party and created a leftist extremist group which will never be able to govern....not that they will ever get the chance to.

svend robinson has a shameful past of theft, obstruction of justice leading to jail sentences, making anti isreal remarks, immaturity at a Quebec free trade summit which caused a clash with police, fines, anti american heckling, petitioning to take the word GOD out our our charter....ect If this is the kind of guy the NDP offers I shake my head, and this is why federally the NDP will be shut out of Sask and Alberta.... NDP has become a party of urban extremists who will only stand up for rights if it suits their ideology.
 

the caracal kid

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well, the word g-d should be removed from the charter. having it there is divisionary to say the least.

if you think robinson is an exception, you should do a search of the backgrounds of all the members of parlement and see what a seedy group "leads" this country. if we put bars on the house and declared it a jail we would merely be acknowledging the truth about those who sit in ottawa.
 

Calberty

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Dec 7, 2005
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I don't have a problem with Svend (he's not worthy of our concern) but with Layton who doesn't have the power to stand up to the extremists in the NDP party. I also have a problem with dippers who keep defending Svend and justify having the scoundrel as a spokesperson for a party that claims to represent the interests of 'honest' hard working Canadians. The Party before principles.
 

Finder

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Dec 18, 2005
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Being an NDP support I have to admit that there version of gun control can be a little too strict. I think any lawful citizen should be allowed to own, purches and be able to hunt, or do contests. With this said a lot of what the right see's as NDP policy is not true and is general misconcenptions based ignorance of true NDP policy.

Unfortunity the gut reaction to any violent crime involving a gun is to rid the nations of all guns. This effects the lawful gun owners first unforunitly in which they believe they are unfairly focused on and punished when they had not done anything wrong.
 

Roy

Electoral Member
Nov 23, 2005
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Alberta
RE: Gun Control Stance Co

thank you finder, for not being a bigot towards law abiding gun owning citizens...they deserve to be protected just like gays and other minoritys are. I am glad to see that at least some NDP supporters are not anti gun hippies
 

Roy

Electoral Member
Nov 23, 2005
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thing is i dont even own a gun but the reason i stick up for gun owners is because of principle....and my family loves guns :wink:

I will stick up for a minority, a gay w/e and i expect the same for gun owners...such as my dad. we need to stop picking and choosing what rights are worthy and become real libertarians :wink:
 

bluealberta

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Re: RE: Gun Control Stance Costs NDP

the caracal kid said:
well, the word g-d should be removed from the charter. having it there is divisionary to say the least.

Exactly how is the word God divisionary in a country that was originally founded on the Judeo-Christian principles and philosophies? Principles that, incidentally, allow and encourage others of different faiths to come to our country without having to become part of the Judeo-Christian faith? Surely we in this country can have some sort of historical traditions that we don't have to throw away for no really good reasons at all, can't we?