Americanization of health care in Canada


Summer
#91
ITN, the actual numbers don't matter, especially as these examples range over two decades' time and the lines for who qualifies for what have shifted during that span, as have the buying power of a dollar AND the cost of insurance premiums.

The whole point is that insurance not sponsored by an employer is prohibitively expensive for many people and their families, and that there is a far-too-large grey area in which people find themselves without access to health insurance.

Not only that, but even people who get coverage through their employers can have problems that don't occur with a Canadian style system. When you change jobs, you usually wind up having a change in insurance as well, to the new employer's plan. Quite often, there is a period of anywhere from 3 months to 6 months with the new employer where a new hire is not eligible for coverage under the employer's plan, and the only option is to purchase coverage independently, with the prohibitive cost this entails. Now, one can hope that the new job pays enough to allow for that, but often this is not the case. In addition, even if coverage can be afforded, there is the issue of preexisting conditions. If you wind up having to change jobs in the middle of your spouse's chemotherapy, guess what's not going to be covered under your independent insurance OR your new employer's plan? Ditto for your son's diabetic care, your daughter's scoliosis, or your own thyroid condition.

This sort of "gapping" doesn't occur with Canadian-style healthcare provision.
 
Summer
#92
Quote: Originally Posted by the caracal kid

ok, i know i am going to get slammed for saying this, but in reality $3500 is pocket change in today's world. heck, $10000 is chump change in today's world.

It ain't pocket change when you don't have it and that lack is what keeps you from being able to seek medical treatment for yourself or your spouse or child.
 
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#93
Quote: Originally Posted by the caracal kid

ok, i know i am going to get slammed for saying this, but in reality $3500 is pocket change in today's world. heck, $10000 is chump change in today's world.

Maybe in your world, there are many that consider $3,500 an enormous amount of money.

Divide that figure by the minimum wage, you have to work 4 months to earn that money, before taxes.

Yep, you just got slammed
 
Summer
#94
Yep, ITN, we agree on something.
 
the caracal kid
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#95
glad i could bring you two together.

it does not change the fact that $3500 is a pittance these days. Perhaps what you speak of says more about what is considered the poverty line in north america?
 
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#96
Summer, we can both go back and forth on this health care issue forever, the fact of the matter is, both systems need a serious overhaul. There is no such thing as a perfect system. The funding vehicle may be different but that is not where it ends.

I hear my own set of stories from the great white north, everybody has a story to tell. Government sponsored care in Canada is equal to our very own medicaid, sorry but thats the way I see it.
 
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#97
Quote: Originally Posted by the caracal kid

glad i could bring you two together.

it does not change the fact that $3500 is a pittance these days. Perhaps what you speak of says more about what is considered the poverty line in north america?

Actually I never knew what a caracal was till I saw you kid Beautiful animal btw.

$3,500 is a pittance when it comes to spending, not earning.
 
Summer
#98
Quote: Originally Posted by the caracal kid

glad i could bring you two together.

it does not change the fact that $3500 is a pittance these days. Perhaps what you speak of says more about what is considered the poverty line in north america?

Not really, CK. $3500 would be considered a lot of money by many people who live nowhere near the poverty line, on BOTH sides of the border.
 
the caracal kid
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#99
thats my point. the poverty line is actually artificially low. poverty hits well before you get to the poverty line. this is why the gap in services hits that you and ITN were discussing. The governments use the poverty line numbers to make assistance decisions while earning double the poverty level can still leave people broke. I really do not know how anybody gets by on less than $80000 in a major CA city (and that is as a single person).
 
Summer
#100
Hmmmm.... okay, now i see your point, CK.
 
tracy
#101
Quote: Originally Posted by Summer

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True, but a $3500 deductible can be an insurmountable obstacle for many people. If coverage doesn't kick in until after you've already paid out $3500 from your own pocket, the insurance is basically useless unless you already have an extra $3500 in your pocket to spend in the first place. The only case in which it would come into play would be some catastrophic situation in which you land in the hospital or something and the bill mounts up past $3500 from the get-go and the insurance picks up the tab for the rest and you get a bill later from the hospital for your $3500 portion. But if you're using it to pay for things like doctor visits, etc. (and especially if no meds are covered), and you don't have the money to pay for those visits out of pocket until the $3500 deductible has been met, you simply will wind up never using the coverage.
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And that's the only reason I have it. I don't do doctors visits down here and don't take any prescription meds other than birth control (and trust me, that's worth the money!!!). Personally I don't consider $3500 to be a pittance by any means, but that policy was the best choice for someone in my situation. I could cough up $3500 if I needed to and it's not like it would have to be a catastrophic situation. One ER visit could easily top that.

I do think it's shameful that so many people fall through the cracks when it comes to job changes and insurance. That' what happened to my coworker and her husband (they couldn't afford cobra) and they will have those bills forever.
 
tracy
#102
Quote: Originally Posted by the caracal kid

I really do not know how anybody gets by on less than $80000 in a major CA city (and that is as a single person).

I know lots of people who do. I live in the LA area and fortunately make over the 80K mark, but a lot of my friends are still going to school or working at low paying jobs. They all have enough money to live and have some luxuries (like cell phones, computers, etc). Many of my patients' families survive on much less than that.
 

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