Super Genius
Posts: 1,274 
December 13th, 2005, 10:16 PM
From what I heard, the leader Jim Harris of the Greens is an ex-corporate hump, and an ex-Conservative Party member.
he is said to be "not much of a policy guy", but is good at organising people.
Some of the Green's most important members have quit the party, citing differences with the new leader, and other issues.
Greens got over 4% of the vote last election. It caused some vote-splitting:
There were actually ridings where they "cost the NDP a seat" , if we add the votes for Greens onto the NDP, which is valid because those types of voters tend to like "the NDP or Greens".
Personally, I might have voted for Greens because they are more environmental, but I have to cling to the reality of the NDP getting as many seats as possible, which is at least a realistic opportunity to make some change away from the Libs and CPP.
Jim Harris doesn't make a good impression - interviewed on CBC, he said "I can't tell you our stance on that issue at this time, because our platform will be revealed in stages during the election campaign"
Really, that sounds so silly - you got the camera on you Jim, say what the policy is!!! Besides, the logic sounded like "I can't give you bits of it because its coming out in bits".
From what I heard, the leader Jim Harris of the Greens is an ex-corporate hump, and an ex-Conservative Party member.
he is said to be "not much of a policy guy", but is good at organising people.
Some of the Green's most important members have quit the party, citing differences with the new leader, and other issues.
Greens got over 4% of the vote last election. It caused some vote-splitting:
There were actually ridings where they "cost the NDP a seat" , if we add the votes for Greens onto the NDP, which is valid because those types of voters tend to like "the NDP or Greens".
Personally, I might have voted for Greens because they are more environmental, but I have to cling to the reality of the NDP getting as many seats as possible, which is at least a realistic opportunity to make some change away from the Libs and CPP.
Jim Harris doesn't make a good impression - interviewed on CBC, he said "I can't tell you our stance on that issue at this time, because our platform will be revealed in stages during the election campaign"
Really, that sounds so silly - you got the camera on you Jim, say what the policy is!!! Besides, the logic sounded like "I can't give you bits of it because its coming out in bits".
Super Genius
Posts: 1,320
Location: Winnipeg
Location: Winnipeg
December 13th, 2005, 10:45 PM
If your concerned about the environment, the NDP has a much stronger platform. That shows in the endorsements from environmental groups too.
Harris is a Mulroneyite. His takeover of the Green Party is even reminiscent of the way Mulroney pushed Clark aside. His biggest failing on the environmental front is following that old corporate policy of all targets being voluntary, but the rest of his environmental platfor is weak too.
The Greens under Harris are much closer to the old PC party or the present day Liberals than they are to the NDP or what the Green Party used to be.
If you're centre-right and looking for a place to park your vote, the Greens are for you. If you're concerned about the environment or left leaning, they aren't.
If your concerned about the environment, the NDP has a much stronger platform. That shows in the endorsements from environmental groups too.
Harris is a Mulroneyite. His takeover of the Green Party is even reminiscent of the way Mulroney pushed Clark aside. His biggest failing on the environmental front is following that old corporate policy of all targets being voluntary, but the rest of his environmental platfor is weak too.
The Greens under Harris are much closer to the old PC party or the present day Liberals than they are to the NDP or what the Green Party used to be.
If you're centre-right and looking for a place to park your vote, the Greens are for you. If you're concerned about the environment or left leaning, they aren't.
Super Genius
Posts: 1,274
December 14th, 2005, 12:23 PM
And what "track record" of the NDP are you refering to? The work they did this last seesion of Parliament - what do you object to there??
Rev and I both claim environmental issues are better handled by the NDP, so we need to know where we are wrong on that [our egos are less than our concern for the environment].
Thanks Calberty, I hope you don't feel 'attacked' here. We just want to get it right.
Personally, I "would" be voting for Greens too, on the basis that their underlying platform is Green, as in #1 importance is the environment. But I won't, because they are not saying that anymore...
I am going NDP for their environmental platform.
But, some of are concerned they are not very "green" at all :
-Soft on corporate responsibility for environmental problems
- lack of initiatives for environmental protection and remediation
- no budget proposals to clean up toxic sites
- that Kyoto can be voluntary [so, just do it, but none have].
Calberty, is it the fact that Jim Harris is considered to be a "good people manager"? We are interested.
BTW, is your name taken from "'Calgary Alberta" ? Clever!!
Quoting
Please, continue... What is it you find attractive about Greens?
I've looked at all the party platforms and their track records and priorities. I'll be voting Green this coming election.
And what "track record" of the NDP are you refering to? The work they did this last seesion of Parliament - what do you object to there??
Rev and I both claim environmental issues are better handled by the NDP, so we need to know where we are wrong on that [our egos are less than our concern for the environment].
Thanks Calberty, I hope you don't feel 'attacked' here. We just want to get it right.
Personally, I "would" be voting for Greens too, on the basis that their underlying platform is Green, as in #1 importance is the environment. But I won't, because they are not saying that anymore...
I am going NDP for their environmental platform.
But, some of are concerned they are not very "green" at all :
-Soft on corporate responsibility for environmental problems
- lack of initiatives for environmental protection and remediation
- no budget proposals to clean up toxic sites
- that Kyoto can be voluntary [so, just do it, but none have].
Calberty, is it the fact that Jim Harris is considered to be a "good people manager"? We are interested.
BTW, is your name taken from "'Calgary Alberta" ? Clever!!
Super Genius
Posts: 1,458
Location: Toronto
Location: Toronto
December 14th, 2005, 01:46 PM
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Corporate humps?? Even corporate humps are people too, aren't they? Isn't your bro a 'corporate hump'? There would be some interesting conversations around the dinner table, I bet.
From what I heard, the leader Jim Harris of the Greens is an ex-corporate hump, and an ex-Conservative Party member.
Member
Posts: 71
Location: nootaksas
Location: nootaksas
December 15th, 2005, 05:50 AM
Hey this meatloaf smells great.
Really? I couldn't smell it over the STENCH OF CORRUPTION!
Really dear not at the table.
No I want to hear what this red commie has to say.
RED! Red like the blood of workers that greases your capitalist machine.
Please I just want our family to enjoy this meal together.(whiping the tears from her eyes.)
Look you've made mom cry. Are you happy you self righteous prick?
Stop! All of you stop!
What made this family fall apart?
POLITICS
It could happen to you (duh duh duuuuuhhh)
Hey this meatloaf smells great.
Really? I couldn't smell it over the STENCH OF CORRUPTION!
Really dear not at the table.
No I want to hear what this red commie has to say.
RED! Red like the blood of workers that greases your capitalist machine.
Please I just want our family to enjoy this meal together.(whiping the tears from her eyes.)
Look you've made mom cry. Are you happy you self righteous prick?
Stop! All of you stop!
What made this family fall apart?
POLITICS
It could happen to you (duh duh duuuuuhhh)
Super Genius
Posts: 1,458
Location: Toronto
Location: Toronto
December 15th, 2005, 02:33 PM
Quoting
Hey this meatloaf smells great.
Really? I couldn't smell it over the STENCH OF CORRUPTION!
Really dear not at the table.
No I want to hear what this red commie has to say.
RED! Red like the blood of workers that greases your capitalist machine.
Please I just want our family to enjoy this meal together.(whiping the tears from her eyes.)
Look you've made mom cry. Are you happy you self righteous prick?
Stop! All of you stop!
What made this family fall apart?
POLITICS
It could happen to you (duh duh duuuuuhhh)
Really? I couldn't smell it over the STENCH OF CORRUPTION!
Really dear not at the table.
No I want to hear what this red commie has to say.
RED! Red like the blood of workers that greases your capitalist machine.
Please I just want our family to enjoy this meal together.(whiping the tears from her eyes.)
Look you've made mom cry. Are you happy you self righteous prick?
Stop! All of you stop!
What made this family fall apart?
POLITICS
It could happen to you (duh duh duuuuuhhh)
Ponderous Intellect
Posts: 3,786
Location: Toronto
Location: Toronto
December 19th, 2005, 06:58 PM
The current Green Party has some Left wing like policies. But really you could consider in part the green party to be a more Centre right (soem left) Libertarian Party these days. With a motto like... do what you will but as long as it doesn't hurt the envirorment or the health of the nation.
I think that makes a little sence to what the Green's are. I like the Green's but my vote is also going with the NDP.
The current Green Party has some Left wing like policies. But really you could consider in part the green party to be a more Centre right (soem left) Libertarian Party these days. With a motto like... do what you will but as long as it doesn't hurt the envirorment or the health of the nation.
I think that makes a little sence to what the Green's are. I like the Green's but my vote is also going with the NDP.
Bright Spark
Posts: 277
December 19th, 2005, 07:36 PM
"With a motto like.."
The NDP's unofficial motto is:
"Buiding a base for the future"
at least the motto reflects the party.
This is the 17th federal election in which they claim to be 'building a base'. And after all this 'base building' won't finish better than a distant third in any Quebec or Alberta riding.
If they are really lucky they have an outside chance of finishing fourth in seats with almost half the seats of the third place party. wow ...amazing what 17 federal elections can accomplish!
"With a motto like.."
The NDP's unofficial motto is:
"Buiding a base for the future"
at least the motto reflects the party.
This is the 17th federal election in which they claim to be 'building a base'. And after all this 'base building' won't finish better than a distant third in any Quebec or Alberta riding.
If they are really lucky they have an outside chance of finishing fourth in seats with almost half the seats of the third place party. wow ...amazing what 17 federal elections can accomplish!
Super Genius
Posts: 1,320
Location: Winnipeg
Location: Winnipeg
December 20th, 2005, 06:54 AM
He would, No1. What's most troubling is the the tactics he has used to consolidate his power. He has forced elected members off the board of the party for daring to oppose them. Some of those members were just trying to uphold the party's constitution.
He would, No1. What's most troubling is the the tactics he has used to consolidate his power. He has forced elected members off the board of the party for daring to oppose them. Some of those members were just trying to uphold the party's constitution.
Time Out
Posts: 4,194
Location: Vancouver
Location: Vancouver
December 20th, 2005, 06:59 AM
Sounds like something Kim Jong, Stalin would do. Power hungry people like that, who supress all opposition (especially before they even have one member in House) shows us all why we should not support his party. Imagine what he would be like if the Greens were to ever get a majority? It is even more scarier than Harper getting a majority.
Sounds like something Kim Jong, Stalin would do. Power hungry people like that, who supress all opposition (especially before they even have one member in House) shows us all why we should not support his party. Imagine what he would be like if the Greens were to ever get a majority? It is even more scarier than Harper getting a majority.
Time Out
Posts: 4,194
Location: Vancouver
Location: Vancouver
December 21st, 2005, 07:56 PM
Greens would cut tax breaks to oil-gas sector
A teaser:
CALGARY — The Green Party says it will eliminate tax breaks to all fossil fuel sectors. The fledgling party took its energy platform to the heart of the Canadian oilpatch Wednesday, as leader Jim Harris said taxpayers shouldn't be subsidizing companies which are making record profits.
"Why are we subsidizing oil-gas interests when they're making the highest profits in their existence?" said Harris, adding that $1.4 billion was spent on federal initiatives to the energy industry last year.
"If you look over the last 30 years, $40 billion of subsidies to oil-gas companies, literally subsidizing global climate change."
But the tough stance leading to the Jan. 23 federal election drew a decided shrug from the Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers. [/teaser]
I am surprised Harris being an ex Conservative Hack feels that way. I agree with him on this though.
Greens would cut tax breaks to oil-gas sector
A teaser:
CALGARY — The Green Party says it will eliminate tax breaks to all fossil fuel sectors. The fledgling party took its energy platform to the heart of the Canadian oilpatch Wednesday, as leader Jim Harris said taxpayers shouldn't be subsidizing companies which are making record profits.
"Why are we subsidizing oil-gas interests when they're making the highest profits in their existence?" said Harris, adding that $1.4 billion was spent on federal initiatives to the energy industry last year.
"If you look over the last 30 years, $40 billion of subsidies to oil-gas companies, literally subsidizing global climate change."
But the tough stance leading to the Jan. 23 federal election drew a decided shrug from the Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers. [/teaser]
I am surprised Harris being an ex Conservative Hack feels that way. I agree with him on this though.
Ponderous Intellect
Posts: 3,786
Location: Toronto
Location: Toronto
December 28th, 2005, 10:37 PM
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...on2006&no_ads=
Just another one drops down on the Green party as it violates yet again federal law and it's own parties constitution.
Harris has done very little for a party which could become a player in the political arena one day.
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...on2006&no_ads=
Just another one drops down on the Green party as it violates yet again federal law and it's own parties constitution.
Harris has done very little for a party which could become a player in the political arena one day.
