tactics of the NRA

peapod
#1
Well it seems coldpy lust and love of the NRA, got me wondering, what sort of tactics do these people use to push their agenda. I mean, I am sure its honest and above board...I think I will do a lil surfing on this topic..

http://www.mmmdenver.org/COMMM_Aug_4_Conoco.htm
 
Colpy
Conservative
#2
Quote: Originally Posted by peapod

Well it seems coldpy lust and love of the NRA, got me wondering, what sort of tactics do these people use to push their agenda. I mean, I am sure its honest and above board...I think I will do a lil surfing on this topic..

http://www.mmmdenver.org/COMMM_Aug_4_Conoco.htm

And what, exactly, is underhanded in this effort?

The NRA believes in and supports the American Bill of Rights, which reads in part "...............the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
To defend that ideal in Congress is hardly underhanded, whether or not you agree with them.
 
peapod
#3
Why does the NRA have this list of people at their website?

http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=15
 
Colpy
Conservative
#4
Quote: Originally Posted by peapod

Why does the NRA have this list of people at their website?

http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=15

Oh, come on, you are reaching.....

You have a problem with boycott and/or letter writing campaigns?
 
Reverend Blair
#5
Come on, Colpy. You know as well as anybody that the NRA takes some extremely reprehensible positions while hiding behind the second amendment in the US and trying to convince people here that they have the same "rights" under the US Constitution as Americans do.

You also know that they are a huge political machine with connections to the religious right and deep hooks into the Republican Party. They are trying to get the same kind of foothold here.
 
Colpy
Conservative
#6
Quote: Originally Posted by Reverend Blair

Come on, Colpy. You know as well as anybody that the NRA takes some extremely reprehensible positions while hiding behind the second amendment in the US and trying to convince people here that they have the same "rights" under the US Constitution as Americans do.

You also know that they are a huge political machine with connections to the religious right and deep hooks into the Republican Party. They are trying to get the same kind of foothold here.

What "extremely reprehensible positions". The fact you don't agree with them doesn't make them "extremely reprehensible". That is the very definition of self-righteous.

So, you concede that the Americans have an individual right to keep and bear arms?

We don't need the US Bill of Rights. I know what my rights are, and they sure as hell don't exist at the pleasure of any government.

Yes, the NRA has some ties currently to the Republican Party. It also used to have ties to the Democrats, but the forgot about the Second Amendment, which the NRA exists to defend. Big deal.

Our own Canadians for Gun Control is funded indirectly by the Federal government. In other words, our government pays a lobby group to lobby them to do what they want to do anyway. Now that is worrying.
 
peapod
#7
Oh well, la de da, coldpy pardon me for wondering I wonder because at NRA executive vice president Wayne LaPierre told members at a convention in reno. Quote

"He described people and groups that work on gun-violence prevention, for instance, as "a shadowy network of extremist social guerillas" who "form a sort of Taliban, an intolerant coalition of fanatics that shelter the anti-freedom alliance so it can thrive and grow." "

Kinda makes you wonder how the nutbars belong to the NRA would read this...you know the neo-nazi and christian warriors
 
Colpy
Conservative
#8
Quote: Originally Posted by peapod

Oh well, la de da, coldpy pardon me for wondering I wonder because at NRA executive vice president Wayne LaPierre told members at a convention in reno. Quote

"He described people and groups that work on gun-violence prevention, for instance, as "a shadowy network of extremist social guerillas" who "form a sort of Taliban, an intolerant coalition of fanatics that shelter the anti-freedom alliance so it can thrive and grow." "

Kinda makes you wonder how the nutbars belong to the NRA would read this...you know the neo-nazi and christian warriors

Ahh, what people that work on "gun violence prevention"? The NRA works on "gun violence prevention".

I assume he means people whose idea of "gun violence prevention" is kicking down the front door of every honest gun owner and stealing their private property while denying them their constitutional rights.

In which case, I agree with Mr.LaPierre.

Who gives a damn what racist nutbars think. I don't. Why do you?

You don't, except where you can use their name in a post about the NRA in an attempt to demonize the NRA.

Mind you, without any thread of connection between the two.

And you call me a liar.

Ask Condi about gun control and racism.
 
peapod
#9
Bull****! Are you telling us their are no nutbars in the NRA excuse me who was timothy mcvie, are you telling me their are no nutbars in the NRA? Why have such a list? Nutbars go to that site, are they trying to promote something? Oh I see, this must just a joke then eh?

That ugly cackler. She pulls her husband around like a pulltoy on a string. My friends and I say that if that ever happened to one of us and our wife did that, somebody would slip into the house one night and slit her throat. --Leroy Pyle, NRA board member, discussing Sarah Brady of Handgun Control, quoted in Davidson, Under Fire: The NRA and the Battle for Gun Control (Henry Holt & Company 1993)
 
Colpy
Conservative
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by peapod

Bull****! Are you telling us their are no nutbars in the NRA excuse me who was timothy mcvie, are you telling me their are no nutbars in the NRA? Why have such a list? Nutbars go to that site, are they trying to promote something? Oh I see, this must just a joke then eh?

That ugly cackler. She pulls her husband around like a pulltoy on a string. My friends and I say that if that ever happened to one of us and our wife did that, somebody would slip into the house one night and slit her throat. --Leroy Pyle, NRA board member, discussing Sarah Brady of Handgun Control, quoted in Davidson, Under Fire: The NRA and the Battle for Gun Control (Henry Holt & Company 1993)

OF COURSE there are nutbars in the NRA. There are nutbars in the CPC, in the NDP, in any broadly based political or social movement. They do not represent the character of the organization itself.

No joke. Are you insinuating that the NRA is encouraging people to do physical harm to folks on the list? That's paranoid even for you.

Sarah Brady is as self-righteous as they come, and is not one bit above using her husband as a prop to make a point. However, Mr. Pyle's comments are somewhat offensive, you are correct there.

Thank God nobody follows us around and quotes everything we say in a moment of anger.
 
peapod
#11
Oh well..excuse me...but wanting to cut somebody throat, uh huh...just angry. Yes that's exactly what I am saying, your so quick. Oh well you can rationalize anything it appears. Lets move on...justify this one.


"NRA board member is Robert K. Brown, co-founder of Paladin Press, which publishes murder manuals and bomb cookbooks with names like Kill Without Joy, Improvised Explosives: How to Make Your Own and Expedient Hand Grenades. According to Erik Larson, Lethal Passage, "Investigators often find books from Paladin and its competitors in the possession of bombing suspects. 'Hundreds of times,' an ATF bomb expert told me." Brown left Paladin to found Soldier of Fortune Magazine, which became notorious for the murder-for-hire ads which resulted in actual murders until the magazine got sued too many times and stopped running them"


I see, and you want this crowd coming into our country, I got a better idea, why don't you move to the US and join them.
 
no1important
#12
The NRA are a bunch of heartless Nutjobs. They would not even cancel their convention in Denver after the Columbine massacre. They had Heston up on stage waving a rifle like he was the second coming. Really bizarre behaviour.
 
peapod
#13
Well the man was sick, he had alzheimer's disease. It was sad the way he was munipulated and exploited.
 
Colpy
Conservative
#14
Quote: Originally Posted by peapod

Well the man was sick, he had alzheimer's disease. It was sad the way he was munipulated and exploited.

If you mean by Michael Moore in Bowling for Columbine, you are correct.
 
peapod
#15
Are you gonna tell me something I don't already know. Of course he exploited and munipuated a sick man, Moore I mean...funny innit tho, I can see that, you on the other hand only see what you want to see. Both moore and NRA used and exploited Heston.
 
Colpy
Conservative
#16
Quote:

"NRA board member is Robert K. Brown, co-founder of Paladin Press, which publishes murder manuals and bomb cookbooks with names like Kill Without Joy, Improvised Explosives: How to Make Your Own and Expedient Hand Grenades. According to Erik Larson, Lethal Passage, "Investigators often find books from Paladin and its competitors in the possession of bombing suspects. 'Hundreds of times,' an ATF bomb expert told me." Brown left Paladin to found Soldier of Fortune Magazine, which became notorious for the murder-for-hire ads which resulted in actual murders until the magazine got sued too many times and stopped running them"

Yes, Robert K. Brown published books at Paladin Press. I think calling them "murder manuals" is carrying it a little far.

Quote:

"Hundreds of times" an ATF bomb expert told me.

Ah, excuse me? There have been "hundreds" of bombers in the USA? I must have missed something, or this is BS.

As for Soldier of Fortune, you've never seen a copy, have you?

I would never buy it, back in the day, because I didn't like it's political viewpoint. A lot too right wing for me, and I saw no reason to support its radicalism. However, a friend did buy it, and I used to read his copies. Often very interesting, with intelligent comment on situations throughout the world visited by Mr. Brown, including Oka during the crisis there.

The "murder for hire" thing is a smear, as this happened once, the advertiser hardly advertised himself straight up as a murderer for hire, and I don't think Brown could be expected to investigate every ad in his magazine. He wouldn't be in business long.

I have some doubts about Brown, but his views on free speech are valid, he is not criminal, and he is a bright guy.

Would you just like to gag those who disagree with you?
 
Numure
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy


What "extremely reprehensible positions". The fact you don't agree with them doesn't make them "extremely reprehensible". That is the very definition of self-righteous.

So, you concede that the Americans have an individual right to keep and bear arms?

We don't need the US Bill of Rights. I know what my rights are, and they sure as hell don't exist at the pleasure of any government.

Yes, the NRA has some ties currently to the Republican Party. It also used to have ties to the Democrats, but the forgot about the Second Amendment, which the NRA exists to defend. Big deal.

Our own Canadians for Gun Control is funded indirectly by the Federal government. In other words, our government pays a lobby group to lobby them to do what they want to do anyway. Now that is worrying.

Im not suprised that the same person advocating civil war over the democratic process of seperation supports gun posession. If you love violence so much, head down south.
 
iamcanadian
#18
"So, you concede that the Americans have an individual right to keep and bear arms? "

Every person on the planet has the fundamental human right of self-defence.

It its not a gun, it's a stick or a rock. Anytime government attempts to restrict the ability of individuals to defend themselves, crime and suffering against the individual results.

Trying to taking away from people their right and ability to defend themselves is a Violation of this basic and fundamental Human Right.
 
iamcanadian
#19
I believe taking away an individuals ability to defend themselves is the worse thing any government can to its citizens. Its similar to enslaving or lobotomizing them.
 
Reverend Blair
#20
Quote:

What "extremely reprehensible positions".

Plastic guns...you know the kind that don't set off airport metal detectors...were championd by the NRA. ****less Cheney voted for them too. An end to the assault rifle ban...the NRA pushed hard for that. Fighting to keep cheap handguns (often referred to as Saturday Night Specials) easily available even though their main reason for being is use in street crime. Holding a rally in Columbine after the massacre there. They did the same in at least one other place too. Backing the US militia movement and the survivalists...those are basically terrorist groups. Coming to Canada and giving speeches about how gun nuts here have the same right to bear arms as in the US...in other words LYING to people.

Yeah, we know about the NRA Colpy.

By the way, there is nothing in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights guaranteeing you the right own arms either.
 
iamcanadian
#21
Article 3.
Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.

Yes it does. Article 3

You can't have the right to personal security if you are not allowed to defend yourself.
 
Colpy
Conservative
#22
Quote: Originally Posted by Reverend Blair

Quote:

What "extremely reprehensible positions".

Plastic guns...you know the kind that don't set off airport metal detectors...were championd by the NRA. ****less Cheney voted for them too. An end to the assault rifle ban...the NRA pushed hard for that. Fighting to keep cheap handguns (often referred to as Saturday Night Specials) easily available even though their main reason for being is use in street crime. Holding a rally in Columbine after the massacre there. They did the same in at least one other place too. Backing the US militia movement and the survivalists...those are basically terrorist groups. Coming to Canada and giving speeches about how gun nuts here have the same right to bear arms as in the US...in other words LYING to people.

Yeah, we know about the NRA Colpy.

By the way, there is nothing in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights guaranteeing you the right own arms either.

Wrong Wrong Wrong Wrong Wrong wrong wrong wrong

That's eight times in a single post.

A new record!

The first polymer frame guns were Glocks. They set off metal detectors just as well as any other gun. The entire issue was created by the anti-gun lobby in an attempt to have new types of handguns banned. Now dozens of weapons have polymer frames, but the issue has disappeared, hasn't it? Why? Because they are, and always have been, just as detectable as any other gun. They are still made mostly of steel. You are swallowing whole the lies and manipulations of the Brady Bunch.

The assault weapons ban was a clear violation of the Second Amendment, which the NRA seeks to defend. Are you saying the American Bill of Rights is "reprehensible"?

Yes, they defend the manufacture and sale of cheap handguns. Read the above paragraph. Surely you don't think only the rich should be allowed to afford the means of self-defense, do you?

The rally was in Denver. It was planned before Columbine. To have cancelled it would have been like an admission of guilt, where there was no guilt. Not at all reprehensible.

The militia movement, although dubious as to any effectiveness, is exactly what is protected by the Second Amendment. And what acts of terror did they commit? Timothy McVeigh was booted out of one of the militia because he was too nuts for them. Geez, after the Patriot Act, I'd have thought you guys would have come around to the militia idea.

The right to bear arms and to self-defense is universal and pre-dates any written constitution.

Like the UN grants anyone rights. Sure, Mac, sure.

Obviously, you know very little about the NRA.
 
peapod
#23
The National Firearms Association’s website states: “Our goals are simple, more new shooters, more shooters shooting more.”

You coldpy do not deserve to live in this country, I am with numere, why don't you pack up and head south.
 
Colpy
Conservative
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by peapod

The National Firearms Association’s website states: “Our goals are simple, more new shooters, more shooters shooting more.”

You coldpy do not deserve to live in this country, I am with numere, why don't you pack up and head south.

Ah, so typical of the "tolerance" shown by the left.
 
Numure
#25
Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy

Quote: Originally Posted by peapod

The National Firearms Association’s website states: “Our goals are simple, more new shooters, more shooters shooting more.”

You coldpy do not deserve to live in this country, I am with numere, why don't you pack up and head south.

Ah, so typical of the "tolerance" shown by the left.

Tolerance towards an outcry for violence, yes, indeed.
 
Jay
#26
You're a separatist, what the hell do you care if Colpy lives in Canada or the US?

I'm completely surprised by the two of you. I support gun possession, are you going to say I don't deserve to live In Canada too?
 
Colpy
Conservative
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by Numure

Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy

Quote: Originally Posted by peapod

The National Firearms Association’s website states: “Our goals are simple, more new shooters, more shooters shooting more.”

You coldpy do not deserve to live in this country, I am with numere, why don't you pack up and head south.

Ah, so typical of the "tolerance" shown by the left.

Tolerance towards an outcry for violence, yes, indeed.

Ah....excuse me?

It is an outcry for freedom.
 
peapod
#28
Get real Jay, I am talking about the NRA of the USA coming into our countries politics. I don't have a problem with hunting guns, or people that hunt for food!
Yes I say colppy should move down south, and if you think for one bloody second canadians want that group in this country, you are completely out of touch.
Your right coldply I have no tolerance for hard on with guns and violence.
 
Colpy
Conservative
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by peapod

Get real Jay, I am talking about the NRA of the USA coming into our countries politics..

Any involvement of the NRA in this country's politics simply consists of advice given to pro-gun groups here on how to best influence the political process.

That's it.

No involvement with any political party.

No money.

No campaigning.

Just advice.

OHHHHH, Scary!!!!!
 
Jay
#30
I would liken it to Canadians giving American's advice on how to run their health care system.
 

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