He Who Controls Television Controls the Masses

[Paranoid Dot Calm]

Keepers at the Gate
He Who Controls Television Controls the Masses
By Manuel Valenzuela
December 07, 2005
http://valenzuelasveritas.blogspot.com/2005/12/keepers-at-gate.html

This guy is a very good writer.
Here is another sample of his ability.

The Evolution of Revolution Part 3
Expelling the Demons of the Opiate
Into the Mind and Ego
By Manuel Valenzuela
February 24, 2005
http://valenzuelasveritas.blogspot.com/2005/02/evolution-of-revolution-part-iii.html

And, this article is the best I've read about Iraq. It is written with such intensity and colour. The writer's vocabulary is just fantastic.
The writer suggests that the reason Bush declared a "war on terror" was because it was necessary to call it a "war" so that under international rules, "collateral" damage would not be considered a crime.

The Price of Freedom
By Timothy J. Freeman
November 24, 2005
http://www.counterpunch.com/freeman11262005.html

 

[Karlin]

"Scientists: Stop serving junk-food ads to kids"
http://tinyurl.com/8ymht

Junk food ads really work, on a basic biological level. Thats something we once considered sort of off limits. We used to thing natural processes were sacrosanct, we should not touch them because we depend on them, are we are, ultimately, vulnerable to them.


Junk-food sells itself to us by now, we fully relate the visuals to the taste, we actually salivate a little when we even just imagine a picture of that McD hambergrrrr. And the evidence is the obese and overweight people, now HALF of Canada's population.


Oh ya, TV food ads have an effect, we can see it. Its NOT pretty.

I don't even eat McD burgers, its been a few years now, and I still get hungry from the ads on TV. I have to change channels on all food ads ior I get hunger cravings. Chocolate bars, chips, donuts and Ice cream are all triggers, all unhealthy, allmost irresistable to most people any time of day - its a matter of how long can you hold out, like a drug addict trying to meter out his dope. Addictive.

"TV controlling people" article quotes [from link in original post] :

Television has become, quite simply, the greatest tool of mass manipulation and thought control civilization has ever seen

In the television the elite have found the greatest weapon of mass control, seemingly able to dictate culture, politics, events, thought and destiny from the moment of birth to the time of death. It can even be said that it is they who can determine reality in twenty-first century America, magically making history disappear, altering the past, changing the present and molding the future.

Over decades of methodical molding and development, beginning at the earliest possible age of a human being, those who control television oftentimes succeed in altering and indeed controlling the opinions, beliefs and thoughts of a person. Thus, the goals and views of the elite are transmuted onto those who stand not to benefit by the beliefs they now possess and the thoughts they have been brainwashed to accept.

K - And boy its true.
Moreso perhaps for the feeble minded amongst us, but we are all under some degree of influence, even TV abstainers since the culture around them parrots the BoobToob.

We can see how history was altered and current news molded to portray things like "corporate culture as being benefactors for the masses". Especially that.

 

[Alberta'sfinest]

RE: He Who Controls Telev

I definately agree with the writer, and I have successfully deprogrammed myself. I look around however, and see the masses don't even realize that they are programmed. When I suggest it, I get the exact programmed response, but I'm much clever than a programmed person because all of my thoughts are my own, I know how I've developed my views, and those who are programmed don't. If anyone says anything to me that I know is brainwashing, I just simply ask them how they came to their conclusion. If it's not their own thought or it was put there, they won't have an answer, then they go into a circle defence, which I point out they are doing.
My brothers fiance got into an arguement with me over smoking laws. Her arguement was that it kills people so it should be banned. I argued that it's a right to make such a choice, and if the user knows the risk, their choice should be their's. My arguement was that there is no line that can be made, and each issue just limits our rights more and more, and makes it exceptable to limit rights over other issues as well. She just kept saying the same thing until she broke down into tears cause she couldn't fight logic with her arguement. The only reason she thinks that way is because she sees it over and over again, and whether something is true or false, repetitive subjection to the same thing eventually sticks. That's how religion works. How many times does it say in the bible that on judgement day we'll be judged on our contribution to society, whether we fed the hungry, clothed the naked, sheltered the homeless and so on. Church was only meant to educate you on how to be a good person, it doesn't gaurentee your salvation in any way, and infact, it most likely would damn you for giving your money to the church when you could be giving directly to those who need it. Funding an effort means nothing, making the effort means everything.
My family was very different from others. My bloodline stems from William the Conquerer, a great norman king that conquered England, who stopped reoccuring invasions. The weird thing about my family is that we have no religion, and even in the medieval times it was all for show, although my ancestors were the ancestors of Christ, supposedly. This knowledge that was passed down to me. Great men don't give away their power(money) for the greater good, they use their power for the greater good. My family conquered countries and made nations great based on that philosophy.

 

[jimmoyer]

Over decades of methodical molding and development, Thus, the goals and views of the elite are transmuted onto those who stand not to benefit by the beliefs they now possess and the thoughts they have been brainwashed to accept.
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This is hogwash for many reasons.

The elite is not running TV. This assumes there is just one elite and not many different elites that compete against each other.

It is heedless of the democritization of communication, where it is very hard to control and regulate the wild and wooly world of this here internet, a network that has grown organically with a billion access points.

It also is heedless of polling, and the ratings.

Now you gotta ask yourself: Who is running who?

The elites poll the masses, the results go back to the elite and who does the elite follow ?

Do they ignore the ratings?

Do the politicians ignore ALL of the polls ?

Most leaders are very aware that they can't get too far past the culture of the people, like most politicians in the Middle East would not go too far in asserting women's rights in a westernized manner. A lot of people will rebel.

Who's running who?

Who's listening to who?

Sometimes it's a leader, sometimes it's the masses and the directions seem to go around and around and back and forth, a holistic, integral body.

The real culprits of mind control are we the people.
It is our culture, and we created it.

So which is it?

The chicken or the egg?

 

[iamcanadian]

Canadian Media is controled by the pions that manage the tenders and contracts for public advertising spending and requisition cheques.

In all things non-elected administrators with life-long public jobs control and direct everything in Canada, not the elected representatives of the people.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: He Who Controls Telev

Six major media companies control every mainstream news source in the US, Jimmy.

Iamcanadian: CTV and Global are both right-leaning. The Globe and Mail, The National Post, the Quebecor chain(Sun), and everything owned by the Asper family is right leaning. The CBC is centrist at best, although several of its major personalities are right-leaning since most of the left-leaning people were purged over the last few years.

So you are what? Saying that The Walrus is the source of media available where you are?

 

[iamcanadian]

How and what information is dissiminated is directed by the flow of money. Most money that Media gets comes from government. The people that control their money flow are non-elected administrators.

The non-elected administrators play the public like a fiddle so that we end up with a weak system of elected representatives no matter who wins.

Their goal is not to favour one side over the other too that much, so that their lack of integrity is not made too obvious, and maintains the objective of keeping elected representation of the people's interest fragmented with less democratic power for the people's interest, so that they have less power to make changes to the way government opperates.

 

[Karlin]

Albertguy said -
"I'm much clever than a programmed person because all of my thoughts are my own" //
K - Thats good, glad to see you crossed over into the light! Welcome to our forums eh.

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iamcanadian said:
"Most money that Media gets comes from government. The people that control their money flow are non-elected administrators.
Canadian Media is controled by the pions that manage the tenders and contracts for public advertising spending and requisition cheques"

K - That was true for the Sponsorship Program days, but it is Unilever, McD, and other corporate giants that spend the most on TV ads. What govt.dept. puts those burger delicious ads up for us?

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jimmoyer -
"you gotta ask yourself: Who is running who?

The elites poll the masses, the results go back to the elite and who does the elite follow ?"

K - they wring their hands and say "those peons got sucked in good! HA!"
The way I see it is that "The Elites" are the corporate top dogs and wealthiest families, we never see or hear much of them other than in controlled news.
Bilderberg and CFR and World Bank, IMF - those types of groups are doing the interface for the Elites, to implement their desired agenda.
Much of their work is done by ordinary people who parrot their lines, like 'Alberta'sfinest' said about brainwashed people not knowing their own opinion's background.
That list of tactics will identify them...

here is that list once more:
Manipulation
Deception
Fear
Division of peoples
Demonising
Distraction
Creating Instability
Suppression
Disinformation
Scapegoating
Provocation


Thanks for not using any of those today!
[its a better world for it]
Karlin

 

[Paranoid Dot Calm]

Yuh Know;

I'm a news junkie. I've had this "obsession" with news, politics and current events since I was knee-high to a grasshopper. I even had a crystal radio set and the first thing I bought when getting my first job was a shortwave radio. I was never into variety shows and entertainment. Anything I listen to or view is "information" stuff.

When I was a kid, I used to stay up all night listening to American talk radio. I especially remember Larry Soloway on CHUM in Toronto.

Many days I was late for school because of it. During my working career, I've lost a few jobs because of listening to radio all night and being late for work in the morning.

During the Watergate Hearings in the early 70's, I used to sneak home from work to watch them on T.V..

Then, along came CNN .... 24 hour news. WOW! I even sleep with CNN screamin' in the background now.

The internet has completely changed my viewing and reading habits. I rarely watch T.V. news now. If some good interview takes place, I know that I can view it later at one of these sites.

Crooks And Liars
http://www.crooksandliars.com

Daily Dissent
http://dailydissent.org

I use a program named iRadio and listen to BBC and other foreign radio stations. BBC has great interviews.

iRadio
http://www.3alab.com

Power Internet TV
http://www.snowportion.com

I believe that the internet poses a great threat to the establishment. The Ruling Class are frightened. Soon, licences will be required for those people having a site in Mouse Land. Soon, search engines such as Google will refuse to list your site if they disagree with it's content. If your site is not being picked up by search engines, you will never reach the masses.

When blogs first began, the established media ridiculed bloggers. But, now, newspresenters are attempting to copy them. Newspresenters are crying on TV in order to show "compassion" and "understanding". (It's a joke, really.) The major news outlets even preview blogs now. Those bloggers who are successful, have now been "purchased" by the major media as "commentators" and thus have lost their "edge" in what they will comment upon within their blogs.

During the recent riots in France, the internet was being used by people to organize protests in France and also in other European countries and thus a huge threat to governments.

Because the internet is such a huge threat to the Ruling Class, they are suggesting that pornography and terrorism are using the net to corrupt our minds. Slowly, but surely, the Ruling Class is gonna "censor" the internet.

Just a few thoughts on the subject.
Hope I didn't bore yuh.

Calm

 

[jimmoyer]

TV does not control the masses.

Not in the old George Orwellian sense.

Who is telling us to watch ?

We're making that decision.

You and Me.

Also Paranoid Dot Calm re-emphasized an earlier point about the democratization of communication by the internet.

The beauty of the internet is how uncontrollable it is.

This thread is like an old General fighting the last war.

The war is with ourselves. We the people are the enemy.

We the people are pushing to control the internet so that our sons and daughters are safe.

We the people are putting cameras on traffic lights so we can safely cross an intersection.

We the people will submit to a barcode chip so that our doctors will have our medical history and not make mistakes or get sued.

Our insistence on law suits when a boy falls off a high dive has led to the dismantlement of high dives in pools all across America.

We the people have an authoritarian freaky nature.

You are Big Brother.

 

[Alberta'sfinest]

RE: He Who Controls Telev

And who gave us all these ideas to control the internet and TV, I find that most people can't think up a good excuse for that day last weak they skipped work. It's called school. They precondition you to make you a slave, and I saw it when I was 5, and I still see it today. Have you ever watched TV with others, and they agree with something said on TV that is obviousely bull.
" Who is telling us to watch?" is the same crappy arguement as" if you did nothing wrong , you'll have nothing to fear."
When I was a kid, I was the class manipulator, I criticized every single institute of authority that there was. If I didn't feel like doing my work, nobody would do their work. Eventually, I realized that everyone in my class couldn't actually think for themselves, and they were just becoming what I wanted them to be, and it was soo easy. I eventually came to the conclusion that what I was doing was unethical, so I stopped. I lost my entire social stature within the school almost overnight, and was quickly turned on by the students when others took my place. Later in life I realized something. That even if I quit, someone is always there to take my place, and if i'm a more virtuous person, in a twisted way I'm actually helping them. Then I realized the problem, what if the people who do this to adults aren't virtuous people, and I was dead right. As of lately, I've been planning to start getting back to it, because basically people are better off brainwashed by me, than by those who wish to enslave them.
Here's the steps to do this. The first step is to create what I call the original 10. Basically, these are people that are almost leaders themselves, but are lost on how to lead. These people are usually fairly smart, and can be easily swayed with the right amount of logic. Once you have these people on the same wavelength of thinking, they become your agreeing support group. There purpose is to simply do that, agree with me when my ideas are attacked, to show that others are also in agreeance with my ideas, making me come off as exceptable, no matter what I say. Jesus did the same thing but with 12 instead. With the help of your original ten, the group can criticize almost any belief of a smaller group, and then they become part of your followers. The bigger the group, the more sense you start to make because nobody wants to be left out of your circle of wisdom. Before long, you have your own masses, and you can control them like an army to start forcing your beliefs. With power in numbers, comes money which gives you a say. TV is a hell of a facilitator for this as it can unite an entire nation under one set of ideals, and no matter how bad it gets, It remains exceptable because questioners are criticized and chastized, which sucks. Look at how hitler used the media to get the entire working population of Germany on his side in a very short period, and even convinced them that they were serving the greater good by wiping out the jews. If your very smart, manipulation is as easy as shooting fish in a barrel.
What it really boils down to is that there are two types of people, leaders and followers. The leaders can vary in their ideals, but the followers ideals very little from their leaders.

 

[jimmoyer]

You must be very unique.

The rest of us can't think for ourselves.

 

[Alberta'sfinest]

RE: He Who Controls Telev

I'm not unique at all, I just started to think for myself because I realized I was lied to big time once, and now I know what i'm looking for. Anyone can do this if they have the knowledge, but don't you watch TV, learning isn't cool anymore. How many TV shows have you ever seen in a school were you actually see the cool kids being active learners? How many debates did you see in high school between intellectuals to see how a debate should work, and a how knowledge can be used. Smart people have this stigma around them as some snob trying to tell you how to live, when in reality they are usually just concerned individuals. They televise the Urban music awards, why not the nobel prize ceremonies? If scientists became pop culture, everyone would ride their bike and we wouldn't be in the economic and environmental situation we are in today. I still can't believe that people don't take global warming seriousely. Last week it was -24 and this week it's +8, that's not normal.

 

[jimmoyer]

Your beliefs and bias slant with one crowd and mine with a different crowd. You thinking you don't follow the usual thought patterns of others is like me claiming the same.

I guess nothing is very unique about us, is there?

None of our thoughts are new.

At least in this thread.

 

[Durgan]

This is a fine book,On Bullshit, about the phenomena of bullshit. I possibly define it as media hysteria. The media make the news then build on it, suddenly the whole populace thinks it is important. A non-issue becomes a talked about subject, and people themselves build on it until the subject becomes a story of its own. Probably similiar to discussing passages in the bible, or the babble the political parties are inundating us with.

I bought the little book,On Bullshit, and found it most satisfying, because it confirmed my own view on the subject.

Durgan
URL to a summary.
http://pewtitus.notlong.com
Quote
One of the most salient features of our culture is that there is so much bullshit. Everyone knows this. Each of us contributes his share. But we tend to take the situation for granted. Most people are rather confident of their ability to recognize bullshit and to avoid being taken in by it....

"This is what the world has long needed. . . . Bullshit is now such a dominant feature of our culture that most of us are confident we can recognize and rebuff it. But Frankfurt shows the reader just how insidious (and destructive) it can be. . . . This book will change your life."--Leopold Froehlich, Playboy

"On Bullshit offers a tightly focused, telling critique of a political and cultural climate that seems positively humid with mendacity, obfuscation, evasion and illusion."--Steven Winn, San Francisco Chronicle
unquote

 

[Paranoid Dot Calm]

I don't think the media "controls" us .... it spins us.

If the media told us the truth about what was really happening in our society and about how the government was just a charade and a sham .... we would all riot in the streets.

During a riot, nobody would buy a newspaper, they would just steal it. The Toronto Star would quickly tell you that there is no money to be made with truth.

The truth depresses us. That is why the NDP can't win elections. We vote for people who make us feel good or confident.

We knew that Ed Broadbent was telling us the truth, but we voted for Mulroney and The Clowns.

Calm

 

[Karlin]

Re: RE: He Who Controls Telev

When I was a kid, I was the class manipulator,k

. Eventually, I realized that everyone in my class couldn't actually think for themselves, and they were just becoming what I wanted them to be, and it was soo easy.

As of lately, I've been planning to start getting back to it, because basically people are better off brainwashed by me, than by those who wish to enslave them.
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Once you have these people on the same wavelength of thinking, they become your agreeing support group. There purpose is to simply do that, agree with me when my ideas are attacked

Jesus did the same thing but with 12 instead.

Before long, you have your own masses, and you can control them like an army to start forcing your beliefs. With power in numbers, comes money which gives you a say.

If your very smart, manipulation is as easy as shooting fish in a barrel.

What it really boils down to is that there are two types of people, leaders and followers. The leaders can vary in their ideals, but the followers ideals very little from their leaders.

Delusionsal, my friend. I am sorry to not be fully supportive of your highness [and thats what you sound like my friend] , but if you are going to post this stuff you gotta be able to take it too.

I hope you don't have a thin skin - if you do you will come back ranting at me...

I hear this kind of talk from others too, the ones who dropped out of school "because they are so smart".

They just can't take in any other viewpoints. They insist on telling "the whole story" , without interruption - sound familiar yet?

Its an ego problem, they are possibly only-children, or blinded by some tragedy that crushed their spirits long ago. They will say what you say: "I know everything and you and everypone else are dumb as a cows, so follow me"

You would do well to listen too, some people here at this forum have a strong clue as to the reality of our world, and its not got much to do with your "easy to run the world, just listen to ME" philosophy.

i bet I am the ONLY one here who read your whole post,and I did that because its 7am and Ive been up for 3 hours... on a Sunday...

Again, sorry to have to say it, someone does.
Take a step back and do the hard work of listening first, then trying to use what you learned... anyone can find something of value in every other person's viewpoint,they are all valid. When we learn that, we will start to get along and STOP BEING LED AROUND BY MANIACS who figure they got it all figured out.

I am close to that too, thats how I learned to see it ...
Karlin [friend]

 

[MMMike]

I don't think the media "controls" us .... it spins us.

If the media told us the truth about what was really happening in our society and about how the government was just a charade and a sham .... we would all riot in the streets.

During a riot, nobody would buy a newspaper, they would just steal it. The Toronto Star would quickly tell you that there is no money to be made with truth.

The truth depresses us. That is why the NDP can't win elections. We vote for people who make us feel good or confident.

We knew that Ed Broadbent was telling us the truth, but we voted for Mulroney and The Clowns.

Calm

I find it is the NDP that try to make us feel good, by telling us we can create all these wonderful government programs and look! no tax increases. Yeah right! :wink:

The media doesn't tell us the truth because we don't want to listen! We don't want to hear about all the death, poverty, disease, wars in the world. We don't want to hear about the consequences of our superconsumer lifestyle. We want to sit in our massive suburban house, with our gas-guzzling SUV in the driveway, and concern ourselves with the latest Hollywood blockbuster or satiate our souls with a nice trip to the mall.

The media doesn't control us, it doesn't spin us, it just tells us what we want to hear.

 

[Paranoid Dot Calm]

Hi! MMMike

You must watch different forms of media for entertainment. I consume media for information and I dislike how the information is fed to us.

After 40 years of media consummerism, I tire of the same ol' spin.

Have you ever read Noam Chomsky and the book "Manufacturing Consent", or other stuff like that?

Calm

 

[jimmoyer]

Instead of all this top-down direction, I find the direction of influence to be circular.

Like MMMike says, they know we don't want to listen to certain things. The ratings tell the advertisers to go elsewhere sponsoring programs that do pull in the ratings.

So who is telling who what to do?

I'm still waiting for that remote control.

Most of this thread has observations that are each in their own way true and do not cancel other observations.

Sometimes a leader comes along and truly unites all the different stripes of people. That's a top-down direction.
Or is it? Obviously if the people didn't like what that leader said, such leader would not be leading, would he?