PQ Has New Leader ... Admitted Using Hardcore Illegal Drugs


Nascar_James
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I guess if the far far left Separatists want a self admitted druggie to lead their party even more to the radical left, they will get their wish...

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...tory/National/


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Globe and Mail Update/Canadian Press:

By SCOTT DEVEAU
Tuesday, November 15, 2005 Posted at 9:01 PM EST

André Boisclair was named the new leader of the Parti Québécois Tuesday evening after winning a majority victory on the first ballot.

Mr. Boisclair won 53.7 per cent of the vote following a controversy-plagued campaign to lead the Quebec sovereignty movement.

"I accept with humility and with great enthusiasm the mandate you have given me," Mr. Boisclair told an enthusiastic crowd in Quebec City.

"Two things are clear for us now — first, in the next election campaign, the Parti Quebecois will seek a mandate to hold a referendum on Quebec sovereignty as soon as possible," he added. "And we will present Quebecers with a plan to give them a country."

Mr. Boisclair was dogged by throughout the campaign for his use of cocaine while he was a cabinet minister with the PQ. Throughout the campaign, Mr. Boisclair brushed aside the issue, claming he'd stopped using the drug eight years ago and had never purchased it himself.

He eventually refused to answer questions about his past drug use, chalking it up to a youthful indiscretion. He even threatened to sue one of the other candidates if they continued insinuating there were more skeletons in his closet to be found.

Mr. Boisclair will likely have to wait until 2007 before getting a crack at defeating the governing Liberals, although Premier Jean Charest could wait until the spring of 2008 before calling the election.

PQ president Monique Richard announced his victory at rally in Quebec City. The 140,000 membership began voting for the leader by phone Sunday and were able to cast their ballots until the polls closed at 5 p.m. Tuesday afternoon.

Mr. Boisclair and Pauline Maroiswere were considered to be the leadership favourites.

Mr. Boisclair, 39, joined cabinet in 1996 under Lucien Bouchard, sharing conservative fiscal policies and a desire for a new political arrangement with Canada.

He rose to higher prominence as environment and municipal affairs minister in the dying days of the last PQ government under Bernard Landry, who stepped down last June, prompting the leadership campaign.

While Mr. Boisclair was thought to be a bit of wild card, the other frontrunner was just the opposite.

Although the mechanic's daughter from St-Redempteur, near Quebec City, holds an impressive resume in provincial politics, it was not enough to claim the leadership.

Ms. Marois dream of becoming the first female premier of Quebec was crushed with Mr. Boisclair's victory.

She has been deputy premier and held the most prominent portfolios in the provincial cabinet — finance, health and education. Known as a hard worker and tough administrator, the former social worker and teacher helped draft Quebec's youth protection legislation, hailed at the time as the most progressive in North America.

Ms. Marois, like most of the other PQ candidates, did not directly go after Mr. Boisclair admitted drug use, preferring to talk of the need for a leader with "moral authority."

Former head of the Green Party, Jean Ouimet, Louis Bernard, a former chief of staff for René Lévesque, hard-line separatist Jean-Claude St-André, Ghislain Lebel, Pierre Dubuc and Richard Legault were also in the running for the leadership.

Another candidate, Gilbert Paquette, dropped out the race last week before throwing his support behind Ms. Marois.

But the candidates themselves were not the only controversial element of the campaign. Some questions have arisen over the validity of the voting system used to select the leader. The PQ membership called in their votes using touch-tone phones.

Voters chose, in order of preference, the names of four candidates. If the voter's top choice was eliminated after the first ballot was counted, then the second choice would be tabulated and so forth until a leader is chosen by a simple majority.

However, at least one dog and a houseplant registered to vote, according to a source in one of the leadership campaigns.

Pixelle Daoust, a long-haired Chihuahua, and a plant called Gilbert Laplante were able to register as PQ members and received all the necessary credentials needed to cast a telephone vote, according to the source. The dog even received a birthday card recently from interim party leader Louise Harel. (For the record, Pixelle voted for Mr. Boisclair, and the plant for the environmentalist candidate Mr. Ouimet).

"The system is riddled with potential fraudulent practices that are difficult to monitor," said the source, who asked not to be identified.

The party says it has taken every precaution to prevent tampering with the voting system, asserting it is foolproof. But there are a growing number of incidents that point to a potential scandal, though no immediate complaints were filed following the results Tuesday.

 
no1important
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Well he says he stopped using it, so I will give him the benifit of the doubt. Hopefully he does not start up again. He admitted using it, so what? lots of people use drugs and get off them. People should forget about his past drug use and give him a second chance.
 
PoisonPete2
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gee? I thought cocaine was what paved George Bush's way to the White House. After all he was snorting it while his daddy ruled.

I hadn't noticed you speaking out against Bush's use of cocaine or about his alcoholism. Are you now saying that such a history would interfere with current performance?
 
Nascar_James
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Firstly Pete, the President has not publically admitted to using cocaine. Secondly, last time I checked alcohol was still legal in North America.
 
Ocean Breeze
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the President has not publically admitted to using cocaine.


that , NJ, is just too funny. ............like he would...

and everyone "knows " he did........and maybe still does. That would come the closest to explaining his incoherence.

So....... the leader admitted to using drugs. (wow) Better, than to pretend he didn't........or use the bush evasive tactics.
 
no1important
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Firstly Pete, the President has not publically admitted to using cocaine

Thats why André Boisclair is a better man. He admits it and does not lie about it. He is showing more honesty than "W" but "W" has been shown to be a compulsive liar especially with Iraq.
 
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Firstly Pete, the President has not publically admitted to using cocaine

Thats why André Boisclair is a better man. He admits it and does not lie about it. He is showing more honesty than "W" but "W" has been shown to be a compulsive liar especially with Iraq.

and come to think of it..........he aint been that honest about his drinking and drugging........ Hmm....but then honesty is not his strong suit.

(and I agree.....anyone who admits.....(like it is a big deal).....to a history of drugs /alcohol and recovery..... has a great deal more credibility. .....)
 
Reverend Blair
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As long as they tell the truth about it, who the hell cares what kind of drugs they used? Winston Churchill smoked opium, so what? George Washington smoked hemp, so what?

It's the lying about it that's a problem. According to most accounts, Bush was a heavy cocaine user. It's likely why he refused to take a medical and screwed up the cushy National Guard gig that his daddy got him to keep him out of Vietnam. That's a problem.
 
Nascar_James
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Quote: Originally Posted by Reverend Blair

According to most accounts, Bush was a heavy cocaine user. It's likely why he refused to take a medical and screwed up the cushy National Guard gig that his daddy got him to keep him out of Vietnam. That's a problem.

Rev, the President received an honorable discharge after almost 6 years of service in the National Guard. He had accumulated enough points during his service to cover the full six years.

The President never went Awol. In 1972 he had asked for permission to head to Alabama and work on a Senate campaign. His superior officers approved his request. A retired Col., William Campenni said that requests of that nature were not unusual.

During his service, the President received high marks as a pilot.

A 1970 evaluation said the President ... “clearly stands out as a top notch fighter interceptor pilot” and was “a natural leader whom his contemporaries look to for leadership.”

A 1971 evaluation called the President ... “an exceptionally fine young officer and pilot” who “continually flies intercept missions with the unit to increase his proficiency even further.” And a 1972 evaluation called the President ... “an exceptional fighter interceptor pilot and officer.”
 
Reverend Blair
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SPIN!
 
Ocean Breeze
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Quote: Originally Posted by Nascar_James

Quote: Originally Posted by Reverend BlairAccording to most accounts, Bush was a heavy cocaine user. It's likely why he refused to take a medical and screwed up the cushy National Guard gig that his daddy got him to keep him out of Vietnam. That's a problem.Rev, the President received an honorable discharge after almost 6 years of service in the National Guard. He had accumulated enough points during his service to cover the full six years.
The President never went Awol. In 1972 he had asked for permission to head to Alabama and work on a Senate campaign. His superior officers approved his request. A retired Col., William Campenni said that requests of that nature were not unusual.
During his service, the President received high marks as a pilot.
A 1970 evaluation said the President ... “clearly stands out as a top notch fighter interceptor pilot” and was “a natural leader whom his contemporaries look to for leadership.”
A 1971 evaluation called the President ... “an exceptionally fine young officer and pilot” who “continually flies intercept missions with the unit to increase his proficiency even further.” And a 1972 evaluation called the President ... “an exceptional fighter interceptor pilot and officer.”

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and ya BELIEVE this ???? 'cause if ya do.......no wonder ya believe every other piece of trash the bush regime churns out. They are so busy spinning things........that they have lost sense of what is real and true and what is fantasy........or cosmetically altered.

(actually that would give one a rather good idea as to why the U.S. is in as much trouble it is now. They have been fed horse ****** for years , kept in the dark.... and have reduced their thought processes to a mushroom level.")
 
MMMike
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Back to Boiclair.... the fact that this guy used cocaine does not influence me much either way, any more than hearing that he smoked pot. How did he perform as cabinet minster, that is the question. Personally, I find it refreshing whenever a charismatic younger person arrives on the scene and pushes aside some of the old grey hairs.

Btw, he's openly gay too.... its funny that in a leadership race for a political party I didn't hear a peep about it at all until I read the story announcing his victory. Not that it matters (to me at least), I just find it interesting.
 
Nascar_James
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Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean Breeze

Quote: Originally Posted by Nascar_JamesQuote: Originally Posted by Reverend BlairAccording to most accounts, Bush was a heavy cocaine user. It's likely why he refused to take a medical and screwed up the cushy National Guard gig that his daddy got him to keep him out of Vietnam. That's a problem.Rev, the President received an honorable discharge after almost 6 years of service in the National Guard. He had accumulated enough points during his service to cover the full six years.The President never went Awol. In 1972 he had asked for permission to head to Alabama and work on a Senate campaign. His superior officers approved his request. A retired Col., William Campenni said that requests of that nature were not unusual.During his service, the President received high marks as a pilot.A 1970 evaluation said the President ... “clearly stands out as a top notch fighter interceptor pilot” and was “a natural leader whom his contemporaries look to for leadership.”A 1971 evaluation called the President ... “an exceptionally fine young officer and pilot” who “continually flies intercept missions with the unit to increase his proficiency even further.” And a 1972 evaluation called the President ... “an exceptional fighter interceptor pilot and officer.”Quote has been trimmed
and ya BELIEVE this ???? 'cause if...

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Well, Ocean those are the official facts based on official military records. Unless you state evidence otherwise, there is no denying the president's exceptional military service.
 
sj007
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what we should think about is why the states censored some of bushed millitary records i kno moore got soem non cencored versions beafore the public took intrest in the matter
 
Reverend Blair
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Actually the military records were "lost" in a fire, then "rediscovered". Oddly enough, the rediscovered records do not match the recollection of people who knew Bush at the time.
 
CanadianPrincess
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Quote: Originally Posted by Reverend Blair

As long as they tell the truth about it, who the hell cares what kind of drugs they used? Winston Churchill smoked opium, so what? George Washington smoked hemp, so what?

I totally agree. Someone's past should not be rehashed for the purpose of destroying his/her career (ie, who's been on their knees and how much pot they smoked while doing it).

What I do think however, is that if someone in parliment, or another substantially important position, is doing any type of illegal drug while in office, should no longer be allowed to serve.

Do they have drug tests for politicians? if so, is a requirement? It wouldn't surprise me if they were exempt from such things.

(by the way, I'm Melanie, and I'm new....please read my introduction thread)
 
Jo Canadian
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Quote: Originally Posted by Reverend Blair

SPIN!


Exactly. Reality is 9/10ths Perception


 
Jay
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Everyone has done a little cocaine.....
 
Reverend Blair
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What I do think however, is that if someone in parliment, or another substantially important position, is doing any type of illegal drug while in office, should no longer be allowed to serve.

As long as it isn't impairing their performance to any significant degree, I don't care what they do. There are documented cases of people, including at least one physician, managing to have successful careers while using significant amounts of drugs and even living with addictions.

When you look at literature and the arts in general, there is more than a little indication that drugs can stimulate creativity as well. We could use a little creativity in our politicians.

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Do they have drug tests for politicians? if so, is a requirement? It wouldn't surprise me if they weren't exempt from such things.

There are no drug tests for Canadian politicians. That's as it should be, I think. I'm from the Mojo Nixon school of drug testing...I ain't gonna piss in no cup.
 
unclepercy
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Quote: Originally Posted by Jay

Everyone has done a little cocaine.....

Lie, lie, lie. What an outrageous, inappropriate thing to say.
I have never touched any drug that was not prescribed by a dr. for a legitimate medical condition. And I mean that.

Uncle
 
Reverend Blair
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I've touched a few drugs for the pure joy of it...never cocaine though.
 
CanadianPrincess
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Quote: Originally Posted by Reverend Blair

As long as it isn't impairing their performance to any significant degree, I don't care what they do. There are documented cases of people, including at least one physician, managing to have successful careers while using significant amounts of drugs and even living with addictions.

I agree, but only if they are smoking marijuana. I smoke that myself on a regular basis, and believe that it helps me more than anything. However, hard drugs, I do not want in my government office.

I believe that hard drugs alter one's perception too much, and not to mention that it's listed as illegal under Canada's Criminal Code. Which brings to me to my belief on why Marijuana is such a controversial issue, I think most of our politicians are smoking it.
 
Jo Canadian
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Quote: Originally Posted by CanadianPrincess

I think most of our politicians are smoking it.

Or should be.ooooooooo
 
peapod
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True uncle, not everyone has done cocaine, or other hard drugs, now smoking a fattie, well guilty as charged...although that does lead to how come I never did hard drugs
 
GL Schmitt
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Quote: Originally Posted by PoisonPete2

gee? I thought cocaine was what paved George Bush's way to the White House. . .

Quote: Originally Posted by Nascar_James

Firstly Pete, the President has not publically admitted to using cocaine. . . .

So it was hypocrisy that paved George Bush's way to the White House?

That and faulty intelligence.

Quote: Originally Posted by unclepercy

. . . I have never touched any drug that was not prescribed by a dr. for a legitimate medical condition. And I mean that. . .

No coffee, no alcohol, no tobacco, no Tylenol, no Pepto Bismol, no Beano, no Viagra, no processed food, no fluoridated water — 100 % drug-free.

Have you ever considered being tested for Alzheimer's, that you remember?
 
s_lone
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Quote: Originally Posted by Nascar_James

I guess if the far far left Separatists want a self admitted druggie to lead their party even more to the radical left, they will get their wish...

Actually, the far far left seperatists would have preferred Pauline Marois than Boisclair. They consider him a bit too neoliberal and not enough to the left...

But from a US point of view, I guess any Quebec politician is leftist...

I'm still not sure what to think of Boisclair myself. He's a bit too much like the typical poltician in my opinion... Fake smile always ready, evasive answers to questions... But I'm giving him his chance... He has a HUGE task ahead of him... Unite his party, win the next elections in which he is suppose to promise a referendum, and then win this referendum...

The next 2 years are are very important for the sovereignty cause. If Canadian political dynamics don't change much (liberal minority government by default), I think Quebecers will be quite interested in sovereignty.
 
PoisonPete2
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Quote: Originally Posted by Nascar_James

Firstly Pete, the President has not publically admitted to using cocaine. Secondly, last time I checked alcohol was still legal in North America.

Answer - so what you are suggesting is that it is not the use of cocaine that should keep one from public office, but being honest about having used it?

Alcohol is involved in more than half of fatal accidents in North America. So, although alcohol is a highly addictive, dangerous substance, since it is legal, it is alright for the US president to drive his nation into the ditch
 
PoisonPete2
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[quote="Nascar_James"][quote="Ocean Breeze"][quote="Nascar_James"]
Quote: Originally Posted by Reverend Blair


Well, Ocean those are the official facts based on official military records. Unless you state evidence otherwise, there is no denying the president's exceptional military service.

Answer - When you control the strings, you can make the puppet dance.

Bush was a coward, hiding in the National Guard when there was a need for 'top' pilots in a police action in Viet Nam. He even hid from National Guard service. All of that got obfuscated with threats and money.

Isn't it a coincidence that Hitler altered his war service record when he came into control in Germany? Isn't it a coincidence that it was Nazi money that financed George Bush's education. Isn't it a pity that Bush is now spreading fascism around the world.

Now in Quebec there is a young, energized, openly gay new leader at the helm of the PQ. That he did cocaine is not a problem. That he is honest is to his credit. I would hear his ideas. I may even move to Quebec to vote for him. Love it around St. Jerome. Maybe a nice little farm. Free! Free at last!
 
peapod
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Funny innit?? george bush..gets taped admitting to smoking fatties, what a hypocrite!!! when he was governer of texas, he sent people to jail for longer than required sentences for exactly the same thing he did. Not to mention and this shows what a ****in bastard he is....he bashes Kerry for pot smoking, not the smoking part, but the admitting part. Says alot about what he thinks of honesty
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by peapod

Funny innit?? george bush..gets taped admitting to smoking fatties, what a hypocrite!!! when he was governer of texas, he sent people to jail for longer than required sentences for exactly the same thing he did. Not to mention and this shows what a ****in bastard he is....he bashes Kerry for pot smoking, not the smoking part, but the admitting part. Says alot about what he thinks of honesty

georgie punk.........has had his internal wires malfunctioning for years....... to him the truth is cowardice and as good as a lie. A lie is the truth.......or HIS ( the emperor wanna be) version there of. In his simple mind....... he is all power, can do what he wants.. without regard to creed, law or humanity. And the sheeple-america fall for his crap each time. The Roman Emperors should have been so lucky with such a devoted following.
 

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