Liberal Damage Control

Hank C Cheyenne

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Liberals begin flurry of government reforms as Nov. 1 sponsorship report looms
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OTTAWA (CP) - "World-class" audit and oversight system, or crass political smoke screen in advance of a looming government scandal?

Changes announced to the federal civil service Friday might just be both. With Justice John Gomery's fact-finding report on the sponsorship scandal due out in 10 days, Liberal cabinet ministers are claiming their new reforms mark a fundamental shift in Canadian governance. Opposition MPs are crying foul.

Ottawa will spend $40 million annually and hire up to 300 new auditors as it overhauls the way federal departments internally monitor their own programs, Treasury Board President Reg Alcock told a news conference.

Some 158 separate measures, with another 80 promised in coming days, "will be some of the most fundamental changes in the internal oversight that any government in the world has made," Alcock claimed.

"Prime Minister (Paul) Martin has set the bar very high for all of us."

The hyperbole and timing of the announcement, if not its substance, had Liberal opponents gagging.

"It's totally designed to pre-empt Gomery," said NDP veteran Ed Broadbent.

"The problem with the government has not been the lack of auditing. We've had good auditor general's reports in the past, including on matters relating to the Gomery inquiry . . . . The problem is to clean up the mess the auditors ultimately reveal."

Conservative MP Gary Lunn said that after 12 years in power, the Liberals have discovered accountability two weeks before Justice Gomery is to issue his Nov. 1 report.

"I think the saddest part of all of this is there is not one mention of any type of accountability from their political masters," said Lunn. "They are in this mode of blaming it on the civil servants."

Lunn said the reforms will only create "an enormous new bureaucracy."

Alcock, accompanied by Public Works Minister Scott Brison, insisted the changes are not about punishing or scapegoating bureaucrats.

"We view the public service as our partners in this," said Alcock.

Financial officers in the public service welcomed the new oversight.

Milt Isaacs, chair of the Association of Canadian Financial Officers, said that with government spending increasingly under scrutiny, the measures will go a long way towards restoring public confidence.

Alcock also got qualified support from the largest federal union.

"There's no job loss and no reclassification that we can see, so we're staying fairly neutral," John Gordon, executive vice-president of the Public Service Alliance of Canada, said in an interview.

Alcock suggested the timing of the bureaucratic changes is a result of a request from Gomery's office, which wants reports from several federal departments on governance issues by Nov. 28.

But the inquiry has asked only for government input, not announcements, said a source.

Gomery is about to start work on his second report, due Feb. 1, which will recommend reforms to ensure a sponsorship-type scandal cannot occur again.

As far back as May 2002, Auditor General Sheila Fraser reported that senior officials at Public Works "broke just about every rule in the book" when handing out the ad contracts.

Fraser subsequently reported last February that up to $100 million of the $250 million spent on the sponsorship program to promote the federal government in Quebec went to ad firms for work of little or no value.

©The Canadian Press, 2005
 

MMMike

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"World-class" audit and oversight system, or crass political smoke screen in advance of a looming government scandal?

Hank, shouldn't there be a poll? You know what I'd vote! :lol:
 

Hank C Cheyenne

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...I sure hope Canadians will be able to see through this bullshit......the liberals are obviously trying to do some damage control before Gomrey......not only that but Alcock is a damn racist....he is a disgrace and every time he has his say in Canadas future its a slap in the face for Chinese people.......

....I hope the NDP will stop supporting the Liberals and pull the plug on the BS....actaully I beleive that they will be huge pressure to do just that before the liberals are able to entice more Canadians with our tax money.....

....... there is a good chance that we might have a conservative minority after the next election...it will be soo good to get the trash out and start with a fresh govt....... I mean let's see what they can do...they can't be worse than the liberals...
 

Reverend Blair

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there is a good chance that we might have a conservative minority after the next election

PPPfffffttttt! When are you guys going to figure out that the single largest factor keeping the Liberals in power is the Conservatives?

Are the Liberals corrupt? Yeah. The Conservatives have shown themselves to be corrupt without having been in power in recent memory though, so they'd be just as bad and maybe even worse if they got control of the cookie jar. Their ties to the incredibly corrupt Republican Party can't be helping now either....people see that and it scares the crap out of them.

Worst of all for the CPC is their complete lack of understanding that Canadians do not want socially conservative, faith-based legislation rammed down their throats by a gaggle of half-bright nutbags who have no understanding of science, fact, or Canadians' perception of themselves.

People are afraid of the CPC, so they vote Liberal.
 

yballa09

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I think a big reason for that is because how good the liberals are at spinning things to their favour. I'm not a huge fan of Harper, and believe that the CPC won't go anywhere until he is out of power. He is too unclear on some issues, and although he might mean well, just comes across as an emotionless man.
 

#juan

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In just about every poll taken in the last six months, there has been a large enough undecided sector to push the election to either the Conservatives or the Liberals. I think we will see that after Gomery, there will be a small Liberal majority. The Conservatives could change that by electing a credible leader though I think that opportunity has past for this election.
 

Mad_Hatter

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There is no "Conservative" party remaining in Canada that represents what true Conservative-ism was all about.

Though on that note, I need to agree with Gary Lunn here:
after 12 years in power, the Liberals have discovered accountability two weeks before Justice Gomery is to issue his Nov. 1 report.
This is too little too late.
 

Hank C Cheyenne

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after 12 years in power, the Liberals have discovered accountability two weeks before Justice Gomery is to issue his Nov. 1 report.

....it would be better for Canada if the liberals took a backseat after the next election....just to show them that corruption is not acceptable and that any party caught in corruption will be booted and that Canadians are not morons who are blind to liberal spin.....last election there was still doubt about the liberals but this time the gomery report will be out.... I think depending on the Gomrey report.....the liberals will loose seats to Conservatives and the NDP......but be aware my friends and expect the liberals to try to buy votes with our money.....as they have done in the immediate past.

...lets bring the hammer down :violent1:
 

Reverend Blair

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You are ignoring that the machinations that provided a need for the Gomery Report were actually put in place by the last Conservative government we had, Hank...or maybe you never read that little fact in the right-wing press.

Anyway, the Liberals just picked up where the last guys left off, corruption-wise. There is no reason to think that the Harperites wouldn't just do the same thing and a fair bit of evidence that they are also prone to corruption.

The Canadian people are not idiots, Hank. They see that the Liberals are corrupt and they see that the Conservatives are corrupt and they base their votes on policy or who they voted for last time or the fact that the CPC are a scary bunch of red-necked bigots.
 

peapod

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you don't get it and you never will. You are not a conservative, its your ilk that has destroyed the party. Yballa09 is the kind of conservative the party needs. He/she understands that as long as harper is the conservative party leader, they will never form a government. How many times and ways do you have to be told that by the voting canadians :?
 

CutThroat

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Why don' t people like Harper? I have always thought of him as a strong conservative leader.

The liberals have a fat ugly bumbling crook as their front man and everyone seems to be at Harpers neck all the time.
 

Dexter Sinister

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I dunno why people in general don't like Harper, but I can tell you why I don't. First, he's flip flopped on so many things so many times I can no longer tell what he believes, and second, I think he's the intellectual captive of some right wing academics at the University of Calgary who've been trained in American solutions to American problems and have no understanding of Canada or Canadians outside of a prosperous, cosy little enclave in southern Alberta.
 

#juan

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I have voted Liberal

for most of my life but I don't like to see any party in power for more than two consecutive terms. Leave them in parliament for more than that and they start to act like it is "their" place. After Chretien's second term I would have voted PC but Mulroney had destroyed that alternative. I couldn't force myself to vote for Stockwell Day. Harper is essentially cut from the same cloth, so I will vote Liberal again.

It looks at the moment, like the Liberals will get another majority and that should get rid of Harper. So it isn't all bad.
 

Colpy

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Re: RE: Liberal Damage Control

CutThroat said:
Why don' t people like Harper? I have always thought of him as a strong conservative leader.

The liberals have a fat ugly bumbling crook as their front man and everyone seems to be at Harpers neck all the time.

The man is just not charismatic.

That lying, thieving, deceptive pile of turd that is our PM is like a big comfy teddy bear, while Harper just can't seem to telegraph warmth.

I think Harper's a pretty good man as well, but he just doesn't come across that way.

And most people, especially those on the left, don't think, they emote.