More CPC Corruption

[Reverend Blair]

Vic Toews broke Manitboa election laws. He hasn't resigned or been fired though, even though the CPC is always calling for others to resign. Toews is the federal CPC justice critic, and has admitted that he overspent in the 1999 Manitoba election.

Since the CPC holds everybody else responsible for the things they do, shouldn't they do something about having a justice critic who broke the law? The www.680news.com/news/national/article.jsp%3Fcontent%3Dn012687A+vic+toews+overspending&hl=en]Liberals certainly think so.[/url]

 

[MMMike]

Small potatoes, Rev, compared to the daily misspending & corruption from the Liberals. Old potatoes too (1999)? Also did not cost the taxpayer one red cent, and didn't work (he still lost). But I'd be willing to sit him out if the Liberals would uphold the same high standard. Might be an empty House of Commons though.

Best part of the story - it seems as though the judge hearing the case was appointed by Toews himself!!!

 

[Reverend Blair]

It's not really old, MMMike...I'm the one who always wants the court cases etc settled first, remember? It took this long to be settled.

It's not small potatoes either. The man broke election law and the provincial Conservative Party that he was a part of was also caught running a phoney left-leaning candidate in order to try split the native vote in a close riding. There are rumours of several other transgression both provincially and federally. There is a pattern of evasion of election law and dirty tricks forming up within the Manitoba PCs and the federal Conservatives.

Most importantly though, it's extremely hypocritical. The CPC routinely demands that people resign for even the slightest appearance of corruption. Toews is there front and centre tossing mud around screaming for others to resign before there is any solid evidence or finding of guilt. So why the hell isn't he resigning?

 

[Reverend Blair]

bump

 

[#juan]

Rev

You are confusing the issue with logic. You're supposed to run around and scream and shout... :roll:

 

[Reverend Blair]

I could do that, Juan, but it takes too much energy.

How 'bout a pop quiz for the Conservatives here.

When Stockwell Day was part of the Alberta government, he went after a lawyer for taking on the case of a pedophile. Day had to court for his action, and lost. He got a slap on the wrist. Who paid for Stockwell Day's lawyers?

 

[Reverend Blair]

Here's a bit of CPC corruption that's worth millions. After the committee looking into the record profits that Cargill and Tyson achieved during the BSE crisis found the meat packers in contempt of parliament for refusing to open their books, the CPC refused to levy fines against the meat packers.

Why did the CPC do that? Look at the contributions Cargill has made to them over the years. Look at the contributions Cargill and Tyson have made to the Alberta PC party.

 

[Senathos]

I think Toews should be booted out of the party, he is a very bad candidate. The reason why Harper won't win is because he is afraid to appoint candidates -- something which is neccesary to win. My riding would elect a Conservative with a large majority, but because their candidate is poor, it will go Liberal again. Harper needs to step in in situations like this and appoint some candidates, like Martin did in the last election.

 

[Reverend Blair]

Actually, the reason Harper won't win is that his policies scare the shit out of people. By denying and ignoring the corruption in the CPC though, he weakens the role of the opposition party so that change isn't possible.

 

[MMMike]

Re: RE: More CPC Corruption

Actually, the reason Harper won't win is that his policies scare the shit out of people. By denying and ignoring the corruption in the CPC though, he weakens the role of the opposition party so that change isn't possible.

The reason Harper won't win is that his haircut scares the shit out of people is more like it. The average 'man on the street' doesn't know what the policies are of the Conservatives (or any other party for that matter). All he knows is what the left-leaning media tell him.

 

[Nascar_James]

Vic Toews broke Manitboa election laws. He hasn't resigned or been fired though, even though the CPC is always calling for others to resign. Toews is the federal CPC justice critic, and has admitted that he overspent in the 1999 Manitoba election.

Since the CPC holds everybody else responsible for the things they do, shouldn't they do something about having a justice critic who broke the law? The www.680news.com/news/national/article.jsp%3Fcontent%3Dn012687A+vic+toews+overspending&hl=en]Liberals certainly think so.[/url]

Where's the NO option?!?!

 

[Senathos]

Vic Toews broke Manitboa election laws. He hasn't resigned or been fired though, even though the CPC is always calling for others to resign. Toews is the federal CPC justice critic, and has admitted that he overspent in the 1999 Manitoba election.

Since the CPC holds everybody else responsible for the things they do, shouldn't they do something about having a justice critic who broke the law? The www.680news.com/news/national/article.jsp%3Fcontent%3Dn012687A+vic+toews+overspending&hl=en]Liberals certainly think so.[/url]

Where's the NO option?!?!

Its called a biased poll, something left-wingers jump in glee when they hear the results of.

 

[Reverend Blair]

As opposed to the push polls pioneered by the Republicans and favoured by the CPC? Look at the answers here. Do you think the poll was meant to be taken seriously? Are Conservatives so humourless and self-absorbed that they can't even tell when they are being ridiculed?

 

[Nascar_James]

Re: RE: More CPC Corruption

As opposed to the push polls pioneered by the Republicans and favoured by the CPC? Look at the answers here. Do you think the poll was meant to be taken seriously? Are Conservatives so humourless and self-absorbed that they can't even tell when they are being ridiculed?

Well Rev, it's kind of hard to look at the answers. All I see are three options to vote on and none of them are NO.

 

[MMMike]

Re: RE: More CPC Corruption

As opposed to the push polls pioneered by the Republicans and favoured by the CPC? Look at the answers here. Do you think the poll was meant to be taken seriously? Are Conservatives so humourless and self-absorbed that they can't even tell when they are being ridiculed?

Stop makin' fun of us or I'm telling!

 

[Reverend Blair]

The reason Harper won't win is that his haircut scares the shit out of people is more like it. The average 'man on the street' doesn't know what the policies are of the Conservatives (or any other party for that matter). All he knows is what the left-leaning media tell him.

No, the reason that Harper won't win is that one or more of his MPs will make a stupid statement about abortions. The other parties will then point out the hypocrisy of the Conservative non-position. More of his MPs will then say something stupid about the environment. The other parties will then go after the CPC for their regressive envronmental policies. Another Conservative, likely Ralph Klein, will then attack health care, and the other parties will then point out that the Conservatives want to privatise health care. Eventually the spectre of religion will come up and, since this is not the US, the CPC will get whipped like a cheap hound on that too.

Everything that the other parties go after the Conservatives on will be based on statements of very recognisable Conservatives, including Stephen Harper. The Conservatives will try to deny what's said about them, but because it will be backed by quotes by Conservatives, it will look like they have a hidden agenda. The Conservatives will then blame the press and Canadians, who will once again vote Liberal.

In other words, the problem is with CPC policy and the constant dishonest attempts to hide what that policy is.

There is no left-leaning press in Canada, MMMike. Our press is owned and controlled by very conservative special interests. They still have to report the news though, and the news is that the Conservatives have policies that Canadians don't like.

 

[Reverend Blair]

Well Rev, it's kind of hard to look at the answers. All I see are three options to vote on and none of them are NO.

Do you even know who Toews is, James?

 

[MMMike]

The reason Harper won't win is that his haircut scares the shit out of people is more like it. The average 'man on the street' doesn't know what the policies are of the Conservatives (or any other party for that matter). All he knows is what the left-leaning media tell him.

No, the reason that Harper won't win is that one or more of his MPs will make a stupid statement about abortions. The other parties will then point out the hypocrisy of the Conservative non-position. More of his MPs will then say something stupid about the environment. The other parties will then go after the CPC for their regressive envronmental policies. Another Conservative, likely Ralph Klein, will then attack health care, and the other parties will then point out that the Conservatives want to privatise health care. Eventually the spectre of religion will come up and, since this is not the US, the CPC will get whipped like a cheap hound on that too.

Everything that the other parties go after the Conservatives on will be based on statements of very recognisable Conservatives, including Stephen Harper. The Conservatives will try to deny what's said about them, but because it will be backed by quotes by Conservatives, it will look like they have a hidden agenda. The Conservatives will then blame the press and Canadians, who will once again vote Liberal.

In other words, the problem is with CPC policy and the constant dishonest attempts to hide what that policy is.

There is no left-leaning press in Canada, MMMike. Our press is owned and controlled by very conservative special interests. They still have to report the news though, and the news is that the Conservatives have policies that Canadians don't like.

From the examples that you mentioned, it appears the problem is more with actual diversity of opinion within the party (not a bad thing) or lack of party discipline (again, not a bad thing). If we're talking elected politicians, keep in mind these people have been democratically elected by the people of the riding, and are accountable to the same. It is the left-wing media that spin every little comment out of proportion and out of context. All the while missing the more important stories about policy and governance.

 

[MMMike]

Just as an example of what I mean, take last years federal election. Klein makes some noise about healthcare reform.... Liberals spin and spin, and all of a sudden his comments become the Conservatives "hidden agenda". In the meantime, there is no discussion about the fact that almost every country in the world has some degree of private healthcare delivery... no discussion about the fact that waiting lists are among the longest in the world... no discussion about the fact that the spiralling cost of heathcare is completely unsustainable. :evil:

 

[no1important]

. no discussion about the fact that waiting lists are among the longest in the world.

Well that study by the Fraser Institute that came out to day is bs. They phoned specialists and asked how long the wait is for non urgent care and averages 18 weeks. whoopi. You may be inconveinced oh well.

But if you are urgent you get in pretty well right away and if real serious you are admitted to hospital and looked after.

If it was as bad as the Neocon Fraser Institute claims there would be a hell of a lot of dead bodies lying around.