Re: RE: Rev. Blair's "Good" Idea!
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I was really just looking to keep the disharmony away from Canada, Martin. We've got enough of our own lately.
I do wonder what will become of the US when it fails though. All empires fail, and few do it gracefully. The US is showing signs of that failure beginning right now and rather than going relatively quietly like Britain did, they seem hell-bent on going the way of the Romans.
I was really just looking to keep the disharmony away from Canada, Martin. We've got enough of our own lately.
I do wonder what will become of the US when it fails though. All empires fail, and few do it gracefully. The US is showing signs of that failure beginning right now and rather than going relatively quietly like Britain did, they seem hell-bent on going the way of the Romans.
nah the US empire is not going down..... whats gonna happen is China and India will be more powerful ......as for the US, they just wont be as culturaly and economically dominant as they once were but they still will be at the top.
.... even if their economy is surpassed by Chinas in 20 or 30 years .........they will still be better off......i mean look at Chinas population the wealth will be spread less thin throughout the country.
as for the North American economy .......Canada USA and Meixco need to work more closesly to make sure they are not surpassed by the EU as well as Asia...
.... even if their economy is surpassed by Chinas in 20 or 30 years .........they will still be better off......i mean look at Chinas population the wealth will be spread less thin throughout the country.
as for the North American economy .......Canada USA and Meixco need to work more closesly to make sure they are not surpassed by the EU as well as Asia...
what brand of tea leaves are you reading for this "prediction"???
(the deterioration of the US former empire wannabee is happening as we discuss this....... Wake up and smell the stench)
(if that sounds a tad harsh......so be it. Reality can be harsh.....but still better than living in a Pollyanna type world of illusions )
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You should have a look at the precarious position the US is in, Hank. Most telling is that their debt is owned and controlled by foreign countries. Second most telling is that without foreign oil it is doubtful that they can even feed themselves.
Toss in incompetent leaders, the housing bubble, unpopularity abroad, the increasingly likelihood of increased environmental disasters, and massive political divisions, and the failed state scenario begins to loom rather large.
You should have a look at the precarious position the US is in, Hank. Most telling is that their debt is owned and controlled by foreign countries. Second most telling is that without foreign oil it is doubtful that they can even feed themselves.
Toss in incompetent leaders, the housing bubble, unpopularity abroad, the increasingly likelihood of increased environmental disasters, and massive political divisions, and the failed state scenario begins to loom rather large.
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The secret is that it is all PAPER MONEY and the debt can be wiped out by Hyper-inflation! That is how most South American Economies wipe the slate clean. What is different in the Banana Republic?
Housing bubble will hurt the financial institutions but they should have known better, the greedy pigs!
Reverend Blair said:
The secret is that it is all PAPER MONEY and the debt can be wiped out by Hyper-inflation! That is how most South American Economies wipe the slate clean. What is different in the Banana Republic?
Housing bubble will hurt the financial institutions but they should have known better, the greedy pigs!
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That is how most banana republics do it, Martin. It's worked so well for them too.;-)
The US depends on imports of everything though. The scariest thing is really the ag sector because US farming is completely dependent on fossil fuels. Everything from fertilizers to the machines that apply them require oil. If the US loses control of the petro dollar, there could be a food crisis. If the debt gets called in, there will be a food crisis for sure.
My advice...don't piss China off. They own enough of your debt to shut you down overnight.
That is how most banana republics do it, Martin. It's worked so well for them too.;-)
The US depends on imports of everything though. The scariest thing is really the ag sector because US farming is completely dependent on fossil fuels. Everything from fertilizers to the machines that apply them require oil. If the US loses control of the petro dollar, there could be a food crisis. If the debt gets called in, there will be a food crisis for sure.
My advice...don't piss China off. They own enough of your debt to shut you down overnight.
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Precisely the point, Rev., Look South, you will see nothing but Banana Republics all the way to Tierra del Fuego!
Enough Oil here in the US to supply base industrial needs if the Govt takes charge and allocates, consumer petro will dry up or be too expensive! Need to keep the masses feed and foodstocks is a great export item for hard currency.
Shut us down with what, the paper money they have collected!
Rev. you are beginning to think like a 1970s arch conservative type called Howard Ruff who thought the then present day US and Can Govts might bankrupt. Check him out some time, the book was called the "How to Survive the Coming Bad Times" , the times never came but the book is still around.
\Reverend Blair said:
Precisely the point, Rev., Look South, you will see nothing but Banana Republics all the way to Tierra del Fuego!
Reverend Blair said:
Enough Oil here in the US to supply base industrial needs if the Govt takes charge and allocates, consumer petro will dry up or be too expensive! Need to keep the masses feed and foodstocks is a great export item for hard currency.
Reverend Blair said:
Shut us down with what, the paper money they have collected!
Rev. you are beginning to think like a 1970s arch conservative type called Howard Ruff who thought the then present day US and Can Govts might bankrupt. Check him out some time, the book was called the "How to Survive the Coming Bad Times" , the times never came but the book is still around.
Andem said:
Andem, if you would be so kind as to give us a History lesson if you can on the Great Hyper-inflation of 1914 to 1922 which happened in Germany. I had some old neighbours when I was kid who left Germany in the 1930s and had given me some old Hyper money (Not geld) with demonimations like 100 million marks! They said prices changed every hour bakc then!
That's changing pretty rapidly, largely due to the work of Hugo Chavez.
That's actually pretty questionable, Martin. Modern agriculture is massively dependent on oil and natural gas, moreso in the US than anyplace else due to subsidy regimes that have been in place since Reagan. While you may be able to ration oil to produce food, the price of that food would rise massively. Making things worse would be the inability of your government to continue subsidies that keep the prices artifically low. Add into that the erosion of the real wage for working people, and the loss of employment such a crisis would cause, and you end up with a food crisis.
Things are a lot different now. You owe more in foreign debt than your assets are worth. Many of those assets are also over-valued. Your debt used to be owed mostly to Americans, now it owed to foreign entities, public and private, that you have minimal influence over.
Your economy has very little production capacity left. Not much is made in the US anymore. Much of what is made in the US is dependent on imported materials and/or components. If your dollar crashes those materials and components will become prohibitively expensive.
You have a largely unrecognised consumer debt crisis. Most Americans owe a lot of money and have few savings. Much of that debt is secured with over-valued assets.
I hope that none of this happens because if does we're fecked up here too, but to ignore the possibility is to not address some very real problems.
Hugo Chavez !!! Again !!
Our savior !
Just like Castro, neither will need the US and will eradicate poverty in 20 years.
Oh, Castro already did that.
Just like Chavez will do.
Our partisan views, including mine, hinder us all rather than help us forsee the future.
Our savior !
Just like Castro, neither will need the US and will eradicate poverty in 20 years.
Oh, Castro already did that.
Just like Chavez will do.
Our partisan views, including mine, hinder us all rather than help us forsee the future.
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Hmmm doesn't the US have mass poverty as well? At least Chavez is doing something about it.
Hmmm doesn't the US have mass poverty as well? At least Chavez is doing something about it.
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I think you lend far too much creedance to what Pat Robertson has to say, Jimmy boy...now he's saying that Chavez is a future nuclear threat...which may be true, but then so too is Luxembourg and Albania, so let the assassinations commence!!
We must stamp out socialism at the root, because how can corporatism flourish with the societal taint of the communist heathens...
Looks like the ghost of Joe McCarthy lingers on in the Heartland... :roll:
jimmoyer said:
I think you lend far too much creedance to what Pat Robertson has to say, Jimmy boy...now he's saying that Chavez is a future nuclear threat...which may be true, but then so too is Luxembourg and Albania, so let the assassinations commence!!
We must stamp out socialism at the root, because how can corporatism flourish with the societal taint of the communist heathens...
Looks like the ghost of Joe McCarthy lingers on in the Heartland... :roll:
I don't believe in Chavez, nor do I believe in Pat Robertson.
You fans who extoll your "boy" are just two groups of "believers" just getting your religion.
Hugo Chavez's programs for the poor don't come close to the millions of looneys and two-nees in entitlement programs in America or for that matter in Canada or Europe.
Like always, the partisan heart harks to the words and speeches more than the reality.
In other words, Chavez talks a good game and gets a lot of mileage out of the little he really will do as Chavez slowly gathers all power to himself and in his autocratic wisdom shares the wealth of oil.
What a God !!!
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And Pat Robertson is a cartoon, a scare crow, too easy a straw man to knock down.
You fans who extoll your "boy" are just two groups of "believers" just getting your religion.
Hugo Chavez's programs for the poor don't come close to the millions of looneys and two-nees in entitlement programs in America or for that matter in Canada or Europe.
Like always, the partisan heart harks to the words and speeches more than the reality.
In other words, Chavez talks a good game and gets a lot of mileage out of the little he really will do as Chavez slowly gathers all power to himself and in his autocratic wisdom shares the wealth of oil.
What a God !!!
.
And Pat Robertson is a cartoon, a scare crow, too easy a straw man to knock down.
Reverend Blair said:
Blair, you are missing tne point, ITS ONLY PAPER backed by nothing!
IOUs
How much Gold is in a looney or a US "Golden Dollar" (The name for our $1 coin). Answer-NONE
Actually hyper inflation is good to pay off debts with cheap currency. The greatest fear in Germany in the early 1920s was when everyone paid off their mortgage!
Hyperinflation still leaves you in a food crisis, Martin.
Jim: You should believe in Chavez and Robertson...they been scientifically proven to exist.
Chavez's programs for the poor surpass everything else in the developing world.
I love the way you try to write him off as "just another Castro" as well. Have you ever thought about what Castro might have been able to accomplish if he wasn't blocked from the US market? Imagine Cuba with money.
You also conveniently forget that Chavez is democratically elected. He won a six year term. Bush paid for a recall election, and Chavez won that. His supporting politicians in cities and states have won their seats. Chavez survived a US-backed coup (and FBI documents that back up Chavez's version have surfaced and been published) because he had the support of the people. Several surrounding nations have moved left since Chavez came to power due to his influence.
He doesn't just talk a good game either. He's used oil money to provide health care and education. He's instituted land reforms. He has begun diversifying the economy because, unlike Bush, he's not such a complete moron that he thinks he can ignore every reputable scientist on the planet about global warming. He's cut human rights abuses way back from where they were when your pals were in charge.
Will it all work out? No, he'll have failures and successes. If he continues to be backed into a corner he could even become as autocratic as you claim he is.
Here's the big thing though, Jimmy. You don't get a vote. I know that pisses you off, and it drives your dictatorial president abso-feckin'-lutely scooters, but Venezuela is a sovereign state and the millions that your government has spent trying to subvert their democracy hasn't paid off.
Don't like him? Tough titty. He's got far better credentials than your president has. Rant and rave, Jimmy. Try to re-frame the conversation so it's more to your liking. It doesn't work anymore. Not here.
You remind me of a Bob Dylan tune, Jimmy. Do ya mind if I call ya Mr. Jones?
Jim: You should believe in Chavez and Robertson...they been scientifically proven to exist.
Chavez's programs for the poor surpass everything else in the developing world.
I love the way you try to write him off as "just another Castro" as well. Have you ever thought about what Castro might have been able to accomplish if he wasn't blocked from the US market? Imagine Cuba with money.
You also conveniently forget that Chavez is democratically elected. He won a six year term. Bush paid for a recall election, and Chavez won that. His supporting politicians in cities and states have won their seats. Chavez survived a US-backed coup (and FBI documents that back up Chavez's version have surfaced and been published) because he had the support of the people. Several surrounding nations have moved left since Chavez came to power due to his influence.
He doesn't just talk a good game either. He's used oil money to provide health care and education. He's instituted land reforms. He has begun diversifying the economy because, unlike Bush, he's not such a complete moron that he thinks he can ignore every reputable scientist on the planet about global warming. He's cut human rights abuses way back from where they were when your pals were in charge.
Will it all work out? No, he'll have failures and successes. If he continues to be backed into a corner he could even become as autocratic as you claim he is.
Here's the big thing though, Jimmy. You don't get a vote. I know that pisses you off, and it drives your dictatorial president abso-feckin'-lutely scooters, but Venezuela is a sovereign state and the millions that your government has spent trying to subvert their democracy hasn't paid off.
Don't like him? Tough titty. He's got far better credentials than your president has. Rant and rave, Jimmy. Try to re-frame the conversation so it's more to your liking. It doesn't work anymore. Not here.
You remind me of a Bob Dylan tune, Jimmy. Do ya mind if I call ya Mr. Jones?