The Gun Registry Must be Deregistered!!


Cosmo
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#241
Ah, Rev would know about weirdly obsessed ... he has an entire contingent on the internet who are insanely fixated on his every word. If anyone knows about how obsessed people act, it would be our Rev. I figure you ought to take it as a compliment! Not everyone would like to see a pic of you without your shirt. Or your gun, howitzer or not!
 
Musicman
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Quote: Originally Posted by Cosmo

Ah, Rev would know about weirdly obsessed ... he has an entire contingent on the internet who are insanely fixated on his every word. If anyone knows about how obsessed people act, it would be our Rev. I figure you ought to take it as a compliment! Not everyone would like to see a pic of you without your shirt. Or your gun, howitzer or not!

Thats funny.

I would feel better about this obsession if the reverend was female, as it appears he is on the other side of the track from me. I only swing from the straight side of the plate, and it appears Reverend Blair may swing from the happy side of the plate. Hate to disappoint him, but you know how it is. He should seek out his own, I guess.
 
peapod
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We know exactly where you swing music man yur not fooling anybody here.
 
Musicman
#244
Quote: Originally Posted by peapod

We know exactly where you swing music man yur not fooling anybody here.

Whatever are you talking about? I am here to learn and discuss things. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
TenPenny
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#245
Quote: Originally Posted by Musicman

Quote: Originally Posted by peapod

We know exactly where you swing music man yur not fooling anybody here.

Whatever are you talking about? I am here to learn and discuss things. Nothing more, nothing less.

I believe you are the one who suggested "which side of the plate" both you and the rev "swing from", so it's a bit silly to suddenly suggest you are here to "learn and discuss things"

So, are you left or right handed? If I said you had a lovely behind, would you take it the wrong way?
 
Musicman
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Quote: Originally Posted by TenPenny

Quote: Originally Posted by Musicman

Quote: Originally Posted by peapod

We know exactly where you swing music man yur not fooling anybody here.

Whatever are you talking about? I am here to learn and discuss things. Nothing more, nothing less.

I believe you are the one who suggested "which side of the plate" both you and the rev "swing from", so it's a bit silly to suddenly suggest you are here to "learn and discuss things"

So, are you left or right handed? If I said you had a lovely behind, would you take it the wrong way?

Sorry, ten packs, but I was trying as gently as possible to let Reverend Blair know that I am not his cup of tea. I saw no reason to be rude about it, so I was discussing what I had learned about Reverend Blair in a polite manner.
 
Extrafire
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#247
Quote: Originally Posted by TenPenny

Quote: Originally Posted by ExtrafireQuote: Originally Posted by TenPennyThe whole point of a gun registry is that, if your guns aren't registered, they can be taken away. If your guns are registered, you therefore have a right to have them.
All of you Harperites keep claiming that all the crimes are committed with UNREGISTERED GUNS. So, the registry provides a simple way for the police to decide which ones can be taken away. Therefore all you Harperites must be in favour of the registry, right?
Why are you people so inconsistent? You're contradicting your own bloody point.Silly statements.
Registration always preceeds confiscation. You people persist in this insane delusion that "the government" wants to take your guns. You really really need some therapy. There's no point in debating this any more: there is a large group of people who suffer from some delusion about confiscation. If registration always preceeds confiscation, why aren't you worried about your cars? I use my car a lot more than I use my rifle, and I'm far more worried about "them" confiscating my car.
To use your logic, "they" are obviously planning to seize everyone's car,...

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We're talking about guns, remember? Not cars or children. And I'm just referring to the history of gun registration. The first country to have it was Nazi Germany, and they followed it up with confiscation. England also registered some guns including hand guns, and they were confiscated.

Really, why would they want to register guns in the first place? It has no effect on crime or accidents so it serves no useful purpose. The only reason (and this was confirmed by a loose-liped Liberal MP a few years ago) was to win votes from gullible urbanites. If confication follows in the same manner as in England, some horrific crime (the killing of 16 school kids in Scotland) will prompt the government to seize guns. This will also have broad support by (justifiably horrified) urbanites but will serve no purpose, because the only guns seized will be the registered ones from law abiding citizens, and the crooks will still have theirs.

It's a stupid law. And overly expensive.
 
Musicman
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Quote: Originally Posted by Extrafire

Quote: Originally Posted by TenPennyQuote: Originally Posted by ExtrafireQuote: Originally Posted by TenPennyThe whole point of a gun registry is that, if your guns aren't registered, they can be taken away. If your guns are registered, you therefore have a right to have them.All of you Harperites keep claiming that all the crimes are committed with UNREGISTERED GUNS. So, the registry provides a simple way for the police to decide which ones can be taken away. Therefore all you Harperites must be in favour of the registry, right?Why are you people so inconsistent? You're contradicting your own bloody point.Silly statements.Registration always preceeds confiscation. You people persist in this insane delusion that "the government" wants to take your guns. You really really need some therapy. There's no point in debating this any more: there is a large group of people who suffer from some delusion about confiscation. If registration always preceeds confiscation, why aren't you worried about your cars? I use my car a lot more than I use my rifle, and I'm far more worried about "them" confiscating my car.To use your logic, "they" are obviously planning to seize everyone's car,...Quote has been trimmedWe're talking about guns, remember? Not cars or children. And I'm just referring to the history of gun...

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I agree, Extrafire. I too think it is expensive and useless.

I always have wondered why when talking gun registration the issue of vehicle registration comes up. The issues are totally different. The rules before the current legislation already provided information on gun owners, so this new legislation is very suspicious. However, given the recent events regarding the sponsorship scam, it now seems obvious that this new gun control registration was more about spending money than registration.
 
Nascar_James
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Quote: Originally Posted by Musicman

Quote: Originally Posted by ExtrafireQuote: Originally Posted by TenPennyQuote: Originally Posted by ExtrafireQuote: Originally Posted by TenPennyThe whole point of a gun registry is that, if your guns aren't registered, they can be taken away. If your guns are registered, you therefore have a right to have them.All of you Harperites keep claiming that all the crimes are committed with UNREGISTERED GUNS. So, the registry provides a simple way for the police to decide which ones can be taken away. Therefore all you Harperites must be in favour of the registry, right?Why are you people so inconsistent? You're contradicting your own bloody point.Silly statements.Registration always preceeds confiscation. You people persist in this insane delusion that "the government" wants to take your guns. You really really need some therapy. There's no point in debating this any more: there is a large group of people who suffer from some delusion about confiscation. If registration always preceeds confiscation, why aren't you worried about your cars? I use my car a lot more than I use my rifle, and I'm far more worried about "them" confiscating my car.To use your logic, "they" are obviously planning to seize everyone's car,...Quote has been trimmedWe're talking about guns, remember? Not cars or children. And I'm just referring to the history of gun...Quote has...

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Of course, that goes without saying. It is a natural phenomena of the Liberal Govenment to come up with anything just as an excuse to keep creating new taxes and keep taxing till the cows come home.

Any sane person knows criminals will not register their firearms, which means the law abiding are needlessly penalized into registering their firearms, paying the damn fee and paying extra taxes for this useless registry. I've always said criminals have more rights in Canada than the law abiding citizens.
 
Musicman
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Any sane person knows criminals will not register their firearms, which means the law abiding are needlessly penalized into registering their firearms, paying the damn fee and paying extra taxes for this useless registry. I've always said criminals have more rights in Canada than the law abiding citizens.

Sad, but true.
 
TenPenny
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#251
You people persist in asking why cars are brought up when discussing guns, and then you say stupid things like,

"why register guns when it has no effect on crime"
and "it's nothing but a tax grab"

To which I say, "why register cars when it has no effect on crime" and "it's nothing but a tax grab".

You are so focussed on your right to own unregistered guns that you can't even see a parallel argument.
 
Nascar_James
#252
Quote: Originally Posted by TenPenny

You people persist in asking why cars are brought up when discussing guns, and then you say stupid things like,

"why register guns when it has no effect on crime"
and "it's nothing but a tax grab"

To which I say, "why register cars when it has no effect on crime" and "it's nothing but a tax grab".

You are so focussed on your right to own unregistered guns that you can't even see a parallel argument.

because vehicle registration is practiced by all nations, gun registration isn't. nations who force gun registration are in reality police states.
 
TenPenny
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#253
"because vehicle registration is practiced by all nations, gun registration isn't"

That's pretty much the most idiotic thing I've read.

You also win a prize for "nations who force gun registration are in reality police states"

Stunning. Stunned. Whatever.
 
MMMike
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Quote: Originally Posted by TenPenny

To which I say, "why register cars when it has no effect on crime" and "it's nothing but a tax grab".

I won't disagree with that one. Car 'registration' is a tax grab.
 
Hard-Luck Henry
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Quote: Originally Posted by MMMike

Quote: Originally Posted by TenPenny

To which I say, "why register cars when it has no effect on crime" and "it's nothing but a tax grab".

I won't disagree with that one. Car 'registration' is a tax grab.

Of course, we have to pay for roads etc somehow, but I'd prefer to see the tax on fuel, instead, or perhaps more toll roads. Pay as you go seems fairer, and may encourage people to make fewer unnecessary car journeys into the bargain.
 
Musicman
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Quote: Originally Posted by TenPenny

"because vehicle registration is practiced by all nations, gun registration isn't"

That's pretty much the most idiotic thing I've read.

You also win a prize for "nations who force gun registration are in reality police states"

Stunning. Stunned. Whatever.

Again, more misdirection. The issue is not necessarily gun registration, in my opinion, but this particular legislation. We have had handgun registration since the 1930's, and previous legislation provided information about gun ownership. The real issue is why this particular piece of gun registration which does nothing to stop criminals, but makes criminals out of gopher shooters? And please remember, "Those who ignor history are doomed to repeat it". You are doomed, TP
 
TenPenny
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So, you're claiming you have NO objection to the concept of gun registration, only this particular implementation of it?
 
Nascar_James
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Quote: Originally Posted by TenPenny

"because vehicle registration is practiced by all nations, gun registration isn't"

That's pretty much the most idiotic thing I've read.

You also win a prize for "nations who force gun registration are in reality police states"

Stunning. Stunned. Whatever.

Most idiotic thing? What are you stunned about? The fact that normal countries do not believe in mass licensing and registration of firearms? The fact that the primary purpose of licensing and registration of anything is to enforce a system of taxation?

If these simple facts stun you, then perhaps it's due to a lack of knowledge on your part on the purpose of gun registration? What is the purpose?

Look at what happened to England and Australia when they took citizens guns away, the crime rates skyrocketed. What a nice combination, you have police states (where only the police/military can carry guns) with higher crime rates. Way to go...
 
TenPenny
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#259
The most idiotic thing, as I said, was your quote showing the difference between gun registry and vehicle registry. You're displaying truly Olympian degrees of obtuseness.

In case you cannot fathom it, oh never mind. Go back to your God
 
Nascar_James
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Quote: Originally Posted by TenPenny

The most idiotic thing, as I said, was your quote showing the difference between gun registry and vehicle registry. You're displaying truly Olympian degrees of obtuseness.

In case you cannot fathom it, oh never mind. Go back to your God

tsk tsk ... a might touchy I see. It's either lefty's way or the highway.

We cannot go back and remove vehicle registration. We already have it and the gov'nts rely on it for taxes. Nations that do not have gun registration, do not need the tax money and therefore do not bother with it. It is a waste of money!
 
peapod
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tsk tsk ..... now where have I seen that before man you guys are so bad at this
 
Vanni Fucci
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Quote: Originally Posted by Nascar_James

We cannot go back and remove vehicle registration. We already have it and the gov'nts rely on it for taxes. Nations that do not have gun registration, do not need the tax money and therefore do not bother with it. It is a waste of money!

Yeah well car thieves don't register their cars so we should get rid of vehicle registration!!

Vehicle registration doesn't stop accidents, so we should get rid of it for that reason too...it's a big waste of money!!
 
Musicman
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Quote: Originally Posted by TenPenny

So, you're claiming you have NO objection to the concept of gun registration, only this particular implementation of it?

Whether I am opposed to gun registration is a moot point, because as I pointed out, we had gun registration prior to this piece of legislation. Therefore, my premise is we did not then, nor do not need now the present legislation. Same as car registration, as was pointed out on another response. It is here, so live with it.

What I truly get upset over, besides the redundancy of this legislation, is that the initial cost was to be two million, and is now approaching or over two billion, with no justification for this by anyone in power. There are no grand statistics to prove this works.

In that regard, I was in a doctors office today and happened across a May, 1996 (yes, 1996) Readers Digest article where this topic was discussed. Some information and stats jumped out at me. As you know, Allan Rock was the one who brought this registry in, and he is quoted as saying: "The only people in Canada who should have guns are police and soldiers". Nice theory, but who told the criminals? The article also stated that why should Allan Rocks vision of Canada be one forced upon the rest of Canada, especially for those who did not hold with his very leftist vision?

The stats that are interesting were that, between 1992 and 1996, a woman was shot, not killed, once every six days. In contrast, a woman died every nineteen minutes due to various cancers. In fact, more women died in car accidents and by falling down stairs on an annual basis than were killed by guns. If the intent of the legislation was to prevent the death of women, which has been given as the reason by many, especially on this forum, then why were gun deaths, which were at least fourth on the list of deaths of women, given the most money and attention? Surely the two billion could have been spent better on, say, breast cancer research which kills thousands of women every year, as opposed to the under 100 deaths per year to women caused by guns? And before anyone goes down my throat, it is not my intention to marginalize those deaths. One is two too many, but the point about the differences is valid.

These are reasons I am opposed to this legislation. I am not fundamentally opposed to the regulations for gun control that were already in place when this legislation was introduced, but this new legislation did and does nothing the previous legislation already did, and cost billions of dollars. Waste of time, waste of money. Either that, or it is another Adscam type of thing.
 
TenPenny
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Quote: Originally Posted by Musicman

Quote: Originally Posted by TenPenny

So, you're claiming you have NO objection to the concept of gun registration, only this particular implementation of it?

Whether I am opposed to gun registration is a moot point, because as I pointed out, we had gun registration prior to this piece of legislation. Therefore, my premise is we did not then, nor do not need now the present legislation. Same as car registration, as was pointed out on another response. It is here, so live with it.

Gun registration is here, but we don't want to live with it.
Car registration is here, but we have to live with it.

Could you be slightly more clear?????????
 
Nascar_James
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Quote: Originally Posted by TenPenny

Quote: Originally Posted by Musicman

Quote: Originally Posted by TenPenny

So, you're claiming you have NO objection to the concept of gun registration, only this particular implementation of it?

Whether I am opposed to gun registration is a moot point, because as I pointed out, we had gun registration prior to this piece of legislation. Therefore, my premise is we did not then, nor do not need now the present legislation. Same as car registration, as was pointed out on another response. It is here, so live with it.

Gun registration is here, but we don't want to live with it.
Car registration is here, but we have to live with it.

Could you be slightly more clear?????????

No, gun registration is not here. In Oklahoma, you do not need to register your firearm and you also do not need to obtain any license (unless you want to conceal your gun). In these parts, freedom still prevails.
 
Vanni Fucci
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Quote: Originally Posted by Nascar_James

No, gun registration is not here. In Oklahoma, you do not need to register your firearm and you also do not need to obtain any license (unless you want to conceal your gun). In these parts, freedom still prevails.

Yeah...unless you happen to look somewhat, kinda, sorta funny lookin'...then they'll rendition your ass and protection of your right to be tortured in private prevails...
 
Vanni Fucci
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Quote: Originally Posted by Nascar_James

No, gun registration is not here. In Oklahoma, you do not need to register your firearm and you also do not need to obtain any license (unless you want to conceal your gun). In these parts, freedom still prevails.

I've never understood how anyone can equate possession of a firearm with freedom anyway...that's just so pheckin' stupid...
 
Nascar_James
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Quote: Originally Posted by Vanni Fucci

Quote: Originally Posted by Nascar_James

We cannot go back and remove vehicle registration. We already have it and the gov'nts rely on it for taxes. Nations that do not have gun registration, do not need the tax money and therefore do not bother with it. It is a waste of money!

Yeah well car thieves don't register their cars so we should get rid of vehicle registration!!

Vehicle registration doesn't stop accidents, so we should get rid of it for that reason too...it's a big waste of money!!

If we could go back in time and eliminate it, yes it would be a good way to save some tax dollars.

The US government had decided long ago to implement vehicle registration. Since 1921, all states required vehicle registration of some sort. Back then the registration fee varied from $1 to $2 dollars. Registration and license fees were viewed as a major source of revenue for highway purposes. Until 1929, these sources provided the major share of revenue derived from highway users.

So as I have mentioned earlier, vehicle registration was started for the sole purpose of the goverment having another excuse for collecting more money from it's citizens.

You can read the history of vehicle registration on the link which follows (see the "Vehicle Registration" section).

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Nascar_James
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Quote: Originally Posted by Vanni Fucci

Quote: Originally Posted by Nascar_James

No, gun registration is not here. In Oklahoma, you do not need to register your firearm and you also do not need to obtain any license (unless you want to conceal your gun). In these parts, freedom still prevails.

I've never understood how anyone can equate possession of a firearm with freedom anyway...that's just so pheckin' stupid...

Well, if you eliminate gun ownership for private citizens, then only the police and criminals will have guns. This gives a hell of an advantage to the criminal and the average citizen is powerless. We should all be free to defend ourselves against any criminal with whatever force is required.
 
Nascar_James
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Quote: Originally Posted by Vanni Fucci

Quote: Originally Posted by Nascar_James

No, gun registration is not here. In Oklahoma, you do not need to register your firearm and you also do not need to obtain any license (unless you want to conceal your gun). In these parts, freedom still prevails.

Yeah...unless you happen to look somewhat, kinda, sorta funny lookin'...then they'll rendition your ass and protection of your right to be tortured in private prevails...

No such thing. We are not living in a third world country here. Everyone is given due process.
 

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